BvB Super50 Turbo spot

[Skippy]

So my 15 second dwell up with  was a bit of a nit roll then?!

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[rfgqqabc]

So my 15 second dwell up with  was a bit of a nit roll then?!

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[EvilPie]

@evil. Villain was greek jack.

I actually suspected he may not have actually loked at his cards but couldnt be sure.

Any a, k, q and probs j10 as well then assuming that you're sure he thinks you're a nit.

Personally i'd tighten it up a bit vs jack but that's because he knows i'll call him wide so he won't shove atc.

[Yian]

Jack doesn't shove worse than J10 does he? He can be aggressive but I don't think he's playing that full "internet" shove/fold range that you guys are giving him credit for. I think any ace is fine; K5s+; K7o+; Q9s+; QJo+; J10s+; 55+

[Junior Senior]

After i called he said he was blind and showed 

He of course hit runner runner for the straight, he always does!

Who do i send the 50p to? Difficult not to be results oriented when you play a couple of times a month

[cambridgealex]

Calling with hands like 22, K4, Q8 here pretty bad imo. Stack is so important in these comps, having 12bigs is massive. The equity you gain from doubling is way less than the equity you lose by busting!

I'd be calling 55+, A2ss+ A6o+, K7ss, K9+, QTss+, QJo+ in this situation.

PS. ATo is the biggest nitroll ever

[rfgqqabc]

Having played with Jack/watched him on the stream, he loves the aggression, certainly in tournaments where he is comfortable. He opened Q8s and stuff in the chipleader final table etc. Ul, not that bad of a nitroll tbh, its always a call but who cares if you need to think about it.

[pleno1]

Calling with hands like 22, K4, Q8 here pretty bad imo. Stack is so important in these comps, having 12bigs is massive. The equity you gain from doubling is way less than the equity you lose by busting!

I'd be calling 55+, A2ss+ A6o+, K7ss, K9+, QTss+, QJo+ in this situation.

PS. ATo is the biggest nitroll ever

Agree

[Junior Senior]

I would have folded QK and A7 and lower plus also folding 66 and lower.

Alex makes a good point but also sometimes you gotta get it in with a call and this seemed a good spot. Just needed some thought. Its not a massive nit roll. I made an even worse one about an hour earlier :-)

[mondatoo]

I would have folded QK and A7 and lower plus also folding 66 and lower.

Alex makes a good point but also sometimes you gotta get it in with a call and this seemed a good spot. Just needed some thought. Its not a massive nit roll. I made an even worse one about an hour earlier :-)

It is 

[cambridgealex]

He definately sees me as tightish and presumes i aint gonna call light.

Sounds like his read was well off...

[MC]

22+, A2+, K2s+, K6+, Q5s+, Q8+, J9s+, JT, 9Ts

I've been doing some pokerstoving and I think ~this should be our calling range:

33+, A2+, K4s+, K6+, Q7s+, Q9+, J9s+, JT, 9Ts

[StuartHopkin]

I don't understand why we would ever consider calling 22, and is it not an easy fold for 33 and 44?

Ive seen a few people call shoves with these hands as if its standard for 6-12bb, surely its not a good plan?

[pleno1]

22+, A2+, K2s+, K6+, Q5s+, Q8+, J9s+, JT, 9Ts

I've been doing some pokerstoving and I think ~this should be our calling range:

33+, A2+, K4s+, K6+, Q7s+, Q9+, J9s+, JT, 9Ts

thats from a purely mathematical POV though right? and doesn't consider any other factors/

[Longy]

I don't understand why we would ever consider calling 22, and is it not an easy fold for 33 and 44?

Ive seen a few people call shoves with these hands as if its standard for 6-12bb, surely its not a good plan?

When facing a shove from a wide range, the small pairs play better as we are dominated a relatively small % of the time and favourite against every other hand with an overlay from the antes.

For example 44 plays better than a2o, j10o etc against 70% push ranges. Playing about with poker stove is enough to analyse this kind of stuff.

Fwiw I think people grossly overestimate their edge in these turbo tournaments and passing up the small edges is a mistake for "better spots".