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Who has the greater Olympic achievement?

Redgrave.

Redgrave

I predict the Scots mostly say Hoy  :D

This scot did not. When Hoy wins as much as Redgrave then you can mention them in the same breath

I'll go Hoy.

Hoy has won more than Redgrave

Fairly sure it was harder to win his golds than it was for hoy.

He had more opportunity to. Redgrave only had 1 shot per Olympics over 5 of them. 5 games and 5 golds is the perfect record over a longer period of time.

:)..... Sorry about this. Really thought I would have to wait till the morning for a bite.

Both awesome guys but I think Sir Steve captured the publics imagination a bit more.

Its Redgrave for me, 5 golds in 5 straight olympics is a lot tougher in my book.
Ben Anslie says he wont be in Rio but if he goes and wins his 5th straight he will match Redgrave for me.

Not sure I would rate Ainslie as high even if he did Rio, the endurance aspect of rowing is considerably tougher imo.

Daley Thompson obv

Hoy has got his golds in a variety of different disciplines.

Sprinting, Keiren, TT.

All require a different set of skills (apart from riding a bike really really quickly).

Also think cycling is alot more competitive than rowing.

Wouldn't put Ainslie on a par with either even if he wins in Rio.

Not really, they are all just a sprint at the end of a few laps at the end of the day.

I assume all Sir Steves golds where team/pairs events. How many of Chris Hoys are individual ones please

Time trialling involves keeping an even speed for as long as possible.

Keiren involves alot more tactics than sprinting.

Redgrave did 4 different events in the olympics, inc a gold and bronze doing 2 events in 1988

Still don't agree, its still a sprint at the end of a few short laps irrespective of the actual event. If he was that versatile he would probably be in the last leg of the team persuit. His forte is blasting the shit out of it on the last part of short events.

Don't think there's as much difference between coxless fours and coxed fours as the difference between Hoy's events.

granted but i dont think most people realise he actually won gold in 3 different events.

Swimmers are great athletes obv, so are cyclists. But the multi discipline nature of the support somehwat devalues their massive hauls of medals if you try comparisons.

eg Phelps v Bolt over the last 2 olympics. Bolt's achievement is greater no ?

Jade Jones >>>>>>>>> any other Olympian

Have a tommy and get over it  :D

What is Bolt's achievement? 2 World records at the same time, retaining his olympic titles?

It's impressive but I'm pretty sure there have been plenty of other sports people who have done the same

I thought the question was "who did we think was the greatest Olympian" not "who do we think the public think is the greatest Olympian".

The answer to the second question is obviously Redgrave due to his media over hyping.

Would Jamaica win the 100m relay with a team of Powell, Bolt, Blake and Veronica Campbell-Brown?

lol

+1  :)

I think How's achievements are greatly under-appreciated and undervalued by many. Not only has he won more golds than any other Brit, he's utterly dominated in the events he's competed in. He's part of one of Britain's most successful sporting teams and would have possibly had more medals if the rules on the number of competitors from each country had been different.

I'd put him on a par with Redgrave. Both fantastic ambassadors for Britain and British sport, both very intelligent and articulate, and both carried the flag at the opening ceremony with one hand.

Oh fuck off, pick one or the other Mr Cop out  :D

Bolt says GFY's  :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19204226

Redgrave.

I can't believe this has been debated, let alone for 3 pages!

2 years training three times a day (combination of land and water) in a boat, culminating in a performance where he produces more than a horsepower for 6mins/2km. Then he does it 4 years later. And 4 years after that. And 4 years after that. And 4 years after that. The emotion, the diabetes, the "If anyone sees me near a boat again, they have my permission to shoot me!"

Hoy is one of the greatest Olympians we've ever produced but he's not THE greatest. The most medals in total isn't necessarily the greatest Olympian.

I'd put Jesse Owens above Michael Phelps, even though their numbers of national anthems aren't close.

Hoy ainec.

For all we know, Redgrave may never have even been the best rower in his boat - he could be the David May of Olympic rowing.

Redgrave for me. A Gold in five successive Olympics.

"Lads, what we should do is draft in a pigeon so that the rest of us will look good."

"You don't think people might get the wrong idea and assume because we keep picking him he's actually really good?"

"No, it'll be fine"

Redgrave.

Redgrave, AINEC.

When Hoy has spent 16 years at the top of his sport and has medals from 5 Olympics then we should have the debate.  I make that in about 2020.

Hoy obviously spent most of his time down the pub.

Sure can compare rowing, with the support of a hand picked team and targetting a category where the best rowers may not always be present to cycling hwere you cannot duck any challenge.  I like Redgrave and clearly achievement is immense in terms of commitment, sacrifice etc - but the 16 year thing doesn't wash with me; schedule not as intense.

The best rowers row single sculls, he never did.  Just my opionion.

not sure that's true is it?

The coach of the national teams puts together the best combinations in singles, pairs, fours, eights etc

Redgrave and Pinsent provided so much power for crews then they added Holmes or Tim Foster etc for rhythm and flow

All about combinations

 ::)

Play nicely!

Redgrave did row single sculls and has a gold at a commonwealth games for it but generally sp[eaking he wasn't world class at it.

Hoy said that Redgraves were the harder to do

Both class,

How is that different to Hoy not being selected for the individual sprint this year ahead of Kenny?  The cycling team felt that Kenny gave them a better chance of winning gold against the best sprinters.


The single sculling thing is completely wrong.  They're different disciplines of the same sport and the crew selections are down to the coaches as part of the 4 year cycle towards each Olympics (during which they compete in World Championships every year so hardly a case of the schedule not being as intense).  I suspect both of them pretty much lived a lifestyle of training several hours a day for 6/7 days a week during their careers.

Just found this on Redgrave's Wiki page too, which I'd forgotten about. "His primary strength was in sweep oared rowing, where he has the distinction of being one of the few oarsmen to have won Olympic Gold rowing both bowside and strokeside (starboard and port)."

As someone who rowed at a very low standard at University I can't describe how difficult this is to do.  It's the equivalent to asking someone to switch hands in tennis, or batting sides in cricket, midway through their careers and still compete at the same level.

Hoy started out on BMXs.

And had a stint as a rower as a junior.

I'ts very close imo but Redgrave for 5 golds over 5 separate Olympics just takes it.



Geo

Redgrave for me, his longevity and the fact that Hoy is part of an extremely succesful Cycling squad that is dominating due to preperation as well as pure athletic talent.

I started on a chopper and that was a lot harder.

hellmuth