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A couple of weeks ago I would have put my roll on Wiggins.

Now u have farah, hoy, Ennis and maybe Murray as an outsider.

I reckon wiggins, farah, ennis.

Anyone got any different views on this?

Been a bit caught up with the Olympics to think about it yet, but could be an interesting betting event this year!

As the huge discussion on tikay's thread shows, its really interesting this year

Wiggins was a shoe-in, now not so much

Farah wins two golds, both on primetime TV Saturday night with millions watching, with Bolt doing the mo-bot etc. I reckon that swings it.

Public consciousness at the end of October/November is crucial

but its an all time great year

Any of Wiggins/Farah/Ennis/Hoy/Murray win it in a standard year

and still Murray might win the US Open to shorten his price

Hoy more likely to get a lifetime achievement award imo.  Cavendish holds it at the moment and Hoy won it a few years ago, would that rule out another cycling person this year?  3 in 5 years from the same sport would be unusual.

I wondered Coe for Lifetime achievement

As for the SPOTY itself, all markets might be moot if they increase shortlists from 10, award it to the whole of Team GB etc

I can't see past Wiggins and once olympic fever subsides sports fans will recognise the magnitude of his achievements with votes. Olympic fans can satisfy themselves by voting Team GB for the team award and as such not single out any individual from what has been an outstanding overall team performance. Choosing between Ennis, Farah, Hoy etc is tough because it was all spectacular but what Wiggins did stands alone in sporting terms so it's easier to single him out.

Would be a massive cop out to have Team GB (ie everyone) for team of the year.

Dave Brailsford is a shoe-in for coach of the year for Team GB cycling/Team Sky, as is Bolt for Overseas.

I thought Hoy wouldn't get Lifetime yet as he hasn't retired - he's going to go on to the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow in 2014, but then that didn't stop Beckham getting it a couple of years ago.

As for the main award, there'll still be time for Joey Barton to make a late surge once his ban ends.

Farah 1.16 top 3 gotta be stealing money?

Wiggins winning the Tour is the biggest sporting achievement in British history

Tough bugger that Wiggins

Why?

I wish people would stop staying this.

It's complete nonsense.

There's a TdF every year, how is a Briton winning it the biggest sporting achievement ever?

If Froome wins it next year does that make it the joint equal biggest achievement?

Phil Taylor winning 16 World darts championships is a MUCH bigger achievement.

Exactly that, someone winning something that is won every year is hardly the greatest achievement.

Phil Taylor winning 16 World darts championships is a MUCH bigger achievement.

I beg to differ sir

Winning the Tour de France is a massive achievement and he is the first Briton to ever do it. It is one of the biggest sporting events held on an annual basis, plus it is probably the biggest test of stamina in mainstream sport.

I am not saying it is the greatest ever, but Wiggins has also won Olympic games gold (crushed it), Paris-Nice (2nd brit ever) and the Criterium du Dauphine.

I think Wiggins CV> anyone elses at the moment. It is also not like he has come from nowhere, he has had a very succesful cycling career.

This is a good statement. Winning the TdF as the biggest British sporting achievment ever is nonsense.

That statement was made to cause a debate

So, lets see what you think is the biggest sporting achievement by a Brit

Trev. You seriously think Wiggins achievement is better than Taylor's? World Champion SIXTEEN times!!! Nobody has surpassed that I don't think.

Very difficult obv.

But I'll go for in my lifetime, tie between Phil Taylor and AP McCoy.

Steve Redgrave, Matthew Pinsent, Chris Hoy, Steve Davis, Stephen Hendry, Nick Faldo, Bradley Wiggins (not for winning the TdF but for his whole career) and Daley Thompson close behind.

I think it's greater. Think Cycling is a far superior sport, physically (even though its not clean). Darts is a very minority sport despite Hearn/Sky marketing.

Stands back.....

Top of your chosen sport for 25 years is less of an achievement than winning ONE RACE?!?!?!?

The Tour is a ridiculously tough race, but if you make Wiggins winning it ONCE the biggest achievement, what does that make Lance Armstrong or Miguel Indurain?

I'd rather go for a beer with Wiggins, but Taylor's (and McCoy's) achievements are unsurpassed.

I agree

Stands back behind you

I'm not saying its the biggest achievement. For me, it isn't. Tricky to say what is

I would however put winning one TdeF above sixteen world darts titles..in terms of physical achievement and the global nature of cycling/non global nature of darts....

Minority sport due to the guys at the top being so good. Millions of ppl play darts but they just never come good enough to compete.

People are flippant about darts as a sport but these guys put in 5-10hrs a day practice, the psychological aspect is immense, there are no team mates to pick up the slack for you, the consistent accuracy required is unparalleled in sport and for one guy to be WORLD champion SIXTEEN times is just incredible.

Wiggins sat on a bike, peddled about a bit and won a tdf one time is what I would say if I was a cynic.

Taylor is brilliant, yes, but, Same oche, same distance from board, same venues, same board, same winning distances,

all fairly familiar every time a darts player goes out there.

I have played regular team and individual darts competitive for nearly 40 years so can understand Taylors greatness.

Now if the country thought it was a massive achievement he would of been voted SPOTY already

I am not having a go at Taylor, just wondering what others thoughts are.

Of course winning the tour is bigger physical achievment, but so is coming last in the first stage.

I would bet good money, Taylor puts as many hours into working on his game as Wiggins.

And he's done it for nearly 30 years! Beating off challenge after challenge from a succession of younger and hungrier competitors.

Could Wiggins of won the TdF without Team Sky?

I think the Tour would be a MUCH better race without the team structures.

"Minority sport due to the guys at the top being so good. Millions of ppl play darts but they just never come good enough to compete."


Darts World Championship entries are UK, Dutch, a Canadian, some Australians. Not really a global entry (correct me if I am wrong)

It's a minority sport because most of the world doesn't play it

In the TdeF, its the best cyclicsts from the World over.



Taylor obviously immense, with longevity added...but not in a sport that should be considered in "greatest ever" categories to me, just like other non global sports like Cricket and rugby can't be

Without any teams he is the likely winner imo, impossible to say definitely. He was the strongest by some distance in the time trials, the only true individual stages.

If he doesn't win it, Froome probably does.

FYP

Don't think it should be a debate about careers.  A lot of peoples sporting careers can be argued for/against and hard to define which is best.  But as a Single sporting achievement??   

As a single entity WigginsTDF or his gold medal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 of Taylors world championships. AINEC, imo

Also Cycling>>>>>>>>>>>>Darts as a sport, doesn't mean I think ill of Taylor or all his hard work he's put into his career over the last 30 yrs and his acheivements.  But would Wiggins have to win 17 TDF, or Gold medals to top Taylor? 

No

However his time trial record both in TdeF and Olympics backs up his achievements


Anyway, I'd have Farah over Wiggins for SPOTY!

Wiggins was spending 6 hours a day cycling, including going up and down mountains, for three weeks. Then, the week after he wins Olympic gold.

Taylor throws sticks at the wall. He does it very well, but he throws sticks at the wall.

LOL so true!

for 6 hours a day too though, must be pretty dull throwing sticks for that amount of time, at least Wiggins gets to see the countryside - easy life ;)

The cynic in me would think sporting integrity would disappear and all kind of Skulduggery would happen.  Wiggins for example, with his huge sponsorship money, just bribe 8 lesser riders to help him through the non time trials stages.  Then others would follow suit, so you would have team structures but not officially and no way to police it.  Would be good to see, but be honest for less than 5 secs.


Could anybody win without his team?

So, assuming a 10 short list (which they may expand, given the success), who are we looking at.

Definites are:

Wiggins
Hoy
Farah
Ennis
Murray

Possibles:

Ainslie
Pendleton
Adams
Grainger
Trott
Dujardin
Rutherford

Given the stick they got last year for no women, expect them to lean towards women where it is close.

Also possible for someone like McIlroy if he wins US PGA and Ryder Cup.

Cant see Taylor on your list!!!!!!!

Wiggins
Hoy
Farah
Ennis
Murray
Ainslie
Pendleton
Adams
Grainger
Trott

does the 10 for me

Mo/Wiggins/Ennis top 3, whatever order not sure!

Wiggins
Hoy
Farah
Ennis
Murray

I'd add Ainslie, Adams, Trott, Dujardin, Pendleton over Kenny cos of her retirement.

Kenny/Grainger/RoryMc(if he wins today)/Rutherford/Brownlee/Jones/the other boxers miss out

Got to expand it, can't be narrowed down to 10 as far to much success. 

Makes a nice change considering some of the lists and winners in the noughties have been dire. 

Still think they'll just put all the Olympic Gold medalists on the list and be done with it.

If they don't they should.

Yeah, that seems best result.

Hold on a minute, I thought people didn't give actually give a rats ass who won this award? I can understand chatter and concern about it from a betting perspective but I haven't seen any mentions of odds on here.

Tips for tikay has pages and pages on the odds for SPOTY!

We care, clearly!

This really.

Comparing achievements in different sports is essentially pointless.

Let's just celebrate and extol the virtues of all the gold medalists.

Strange thing is the people who vote for BBC SPOTY

Who would think Zara Phillips would win it. I think there was very few people voting this year.

Can't think of a year when Athletics has achieved amazing has lost V any other sports person who has had an outstanding result in there sport.

Mo/Jen Can't split them

Could be anyone of the mentioned for 3rd

Sky for team award.

Regards

M
 

At a guess, over 500 Posts, & FIVE bets on it. Sigh........

I am a huge Murray fan but wouldn't put him in top ten unless he wins us open if it wasn't for Olympics wiggens would walk it but think he will be behind ennis and mo, I can't see past them as athletics has more fans than any of the other sports in the Olympics would love to see someone from a minor sport that has gone through the pain and finally got there get the award but its viewing public that are voting and mo and ennis will be more in the minds come Christmas novelty idea is someone not competed in the Olympics yet but its a BBC show and its channel 4 that are showing the paras

It is a great pub talk subject, especially amongst sports fans. In the whole scheme of things it doesn't mean that much but it is tradition and a way of celebrating sporting achievement in this country.

should there be a seperate award for men and women?

No

think on the night the BBC will so more offthe olympics as is been a bbc sport and wiggins will be put on at the start as they not want a sky sport winning it so it Mo Farah for me should got on the 12/1 the other day

There should be a separate category for Yorkshire SPOTY.

Loved Coe as an athlete - always ran his races with such heart, endeavour and grace - he has put the same into these olympics and deserves to get a lifetime award achievement.

There are so many outstanding athletes of this country and now we have the pleasure of the para olympics to come and see if possible even greater sportsmen and women compete.

Im an old geezer now and have loved sport since i was a youngster when all we seemed to do was be outside playing football, running, jumping, swimming from dawn til dusk.

I hope these games stimulate that activity for our youngsters once more.

Viva sport  ;yippee;

McIlroy won the PGA by 8 shots!

Not going to be enough on its own but a big ryder cup is going to put him in the running for the 10.

0% chance of winning, but has to be in the top 10

This is going to need revision, as there'll be an outcry if there isn't at least 1, if not 2 Paralympians in the shortlist - Storey, Weir and Simmonds the favs.

After he won the Olympic gold I said that if Murray wins the US Open, he will win this.  It's still on.

However after watching much of the Paralympics I think there is going to be a real push for Ellie Simmonds.  So far two golds, a bronze, two world records and one event to go IIRC.  Spin up a hatrick of golds and then she has to be one of the favourites.

Mo Farah seems to be the guy that has really come out of the Olympics as the star, he is on everything atm (Did you see the repeat of him in the Cube, it was incred), so unless Murray wins the Open its all Mo for me.

I really dont think Murray can win this.  Even if he wins the US Open he is an 8/1 shot for me.

I remember saying something similar about Sir Bradley and he is still odds on.  At least the thread lay at 1.75 is in the green now. 

Hope you're right, I've got around £10 on her at an average of 600 on Betfair :)

She's down to 36 there now, 5th fave behind Wiggins, Farah, Ennis and Murray.  Have you nit-hedged yet?  ;)

ha good one, had to check to see if it was April

wiggins has to be favorite imo but murray winning the usopen could make it very close, winning the olympics usopen and making final at wimbledon in an era with federer/nadal/djokovic is a huge achievement for him and just purely given that it will be later on and fresher in the mind, he may well steal it at the last

farah/ennis/hoy get special mentions but they arent going to win it over wiggins.... although his achievment isnt the greatest in british history it is a hell of a feat to win all the things he has won this year in such a fashion

I virtually never advise greening out.

But.

GREEN OUT NOW!

'arry back at bournemouth

still time for him to enter the running here

Haha, I've greened out enough to pay for my pony on Mo @ 12s and the same on Ennis at 9s for a complete freeroll.

I didn't think Murray could win it, but winning the final in the way he has, who knows.

Muzza deserves it imo but i reckon Mo will win

Murray could now legitimately finish the year as world number 1.

That happens and I'd argue not only does he win it, but he deserves it.

Might be interesting to see when the Olympic Honours are announced. If it's the same time as the others, it will be too late for SPOTY. Perhaps Sir Bradley Wiggins brings it back into the public consciousness?

Between Murray, Wiggins and Farah for 1-2-3 for me and don't see that being broken...

...unless Vicky wins Strictly  ;hide;

Just what I was thinking. Right upto the last line obv

Don't you have to have a personality to win SPOTY?

...surely that rules out Murray straight away?

You really don't!

Have you seen who has won it in the past?!

Have you never looked at the list of previous SPOTY winners, Aaron?

Here you go.

Note that Nigel Mansell & Damon Hill both won it TWICE. 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Sports_Personality_of_the_Year_Award

and Mansell was third one year as well...

I immediately thought of Mansell too. 

Do you deliberately act stupid to get a rise out of people are you just genuinely thick as pig shit?

There are numerous other examples of sportsmen or women who won SPOTY who many would say "lack personality".

title should be changed really

it has never been about personality

Woah, cool it

Civil, please, no need for the flaming

The word 'personality' doesn't only mean someone's character though.

Bless.

You must be suggesting that Murray has a personality then? LOL.

Also, far too young to know others that well TK.

I happen to think that Murray has a far better public persona than a few years ago. More mature, rounded, able to laugh at himself a bit more


It's a year to end all years for this

The man who won the most Olympic Golds ever by a Brit is 100-1

The man with four Paralympic golds this year is 150-1

Ennis might not be top 3

Two of Farah, Wiggins, Murray aren't going to win it


compare that to the late 90s when Rusedski won it for finishing runner up in the US

Chalk and cheese our sporting performance these days compared to a decade or two ago in its depth.

He derails thread after thread with senseless comments.  It wasn't meant as flaming it was a genuine observation.

They make sense to him.

Murray has as much personality as your business idea had credence and thought.   Take from that what you will.

Yes, I wholly appreciate that Aaron, but I wanted to make the point that you do not have to be "interesting" or full of buzz & zing to win it. You need to be a winner though.

How about, if you require a recent example, the extremely gifted footballer, & multi-title winner, Ryan Giggs? He is not a Botham, or a Flintoff, but he still won.

If Murray does not win it this year -  & he probably won't - he can count himself unlucky to have done so well in what has been a vintage year for British sportsmen & women.

Hopefully, he will win more Grand Slam events, & get his SPOTY another year.

Incidentally, I'd rather read a 'Stars Hand History than listen to him talk, but that does not mean I do not respect his immense ability & achievements.  I think the British public feel much the same, too.

Wouldn't want to be part of the shortlisting committee this year.

But whoever wins, John Terry will be there to help them lift the trophy

The name of the award needs to be changed! It has nothing to do with personality to be fair. But when you think of the name of the award it takes away credibility when sportsmen and women win it, who are seen lacking a personality. Example, Murray, I'm not the only one thinking this.

If he had a personality, he would be a lot more liked around the UK, but the fact he is lacking, means when he does win there is a lot of people who think "meh" rather than being as pleased as they should be. I don't like him, I'm not bothered if he wins 20 grand slams on the bounce, just for his individuality.

There are a lot more personalities and better sportsmen than Murray.

Not to worry though, he won't be winning the SPOTY for sure.

no idea whether it did or did not shape his personality but being "part" of the dunblane massacre almost certainly would shape most people

anyway unless anybody on here knows him personally we have no idea what kind of bloke he is

Didn't stop Giggs winning it, zero personality. In fact he is what they call a 'shister'.

Is SPOTY normally a 2 hour programme?

This year will need extra broadcasting time to do justice for all the exceptional achievements in sport.

Exactly, how can you judge someone's personality via interviews?
He's clearly very uncomfortable with them and said as much last night.Which imo was probably the best he has came across in front of the Cameras pre Paraguaygate where he got stitched up by a gutter Journalist.

This appears to have been missed by many... ;)

Given how much of it relies on the public vote - doesn't that suggest that a lot of it is now very much about personality?

SPOTY is 'awarded to the sportsperson "whose actions have most captured the public's imagination"' - the personality bit is simply the name that was originally thought of to indicate that they were looking for a bit more than 'who won the most/best thing'

THIS!!  I have to post this every bloody year:

personality  (ˌpɜːsəˈnælɪtɪ)
 
— n  , pl -ties
1.    psychol  the sum total of all the behavioural and mental characteristics by means of which an individual is recognized as being unique
2.    the distinctive character of a person that makes him socially attractive: a salesman needs a lot of personality
3.    a well-known person in a certain field, such as sport or entertainment
4.    a remarkable person: the old fellow is a real personality
5.    the quality of being a unique person
6.    the distinctive atmosphere of a place or situation
7.    ( often plural ) a personal remark

In this usage, it's pretty much synonymous with the word PERSON.

It's not about their character, or the definition number 2 above, it's about their sporting achievements.

Exactly.

So, on those criteria, it COULD be Joey Barton or John Terry.

Oi it's my job to abuse Arron. Please find someone else :)

Terry would be a shoo-in.  Just look at all those golds he won at the Olympics, and his Grand Slam victory last night...

You are forgetting about the court case that Terry WON, that is something that the other contenders can not claim.

Did he win? Or just not lose?

He's just been shortlisted for the Booker Prize, so we'll see how that goes.

I take it van Commenee's resignation means Team GB can't win team of the year.

When Terry wins the Nobel Peace Prize, his SPOTY will be guaranteed.  In fact he'll win so hard they'll cancel any future SPOTYs and Terry will get to keep the trophy forever.

What was Paraguaygate?

To my way of thinking, Andy Murray's sporting achievements \make him the outstanding candidate now. Surpassing Wiggins.

He is the first British man to win a grand slam for 75 years, this must match Wiggins for the uniqueness of his TdF title.

They both won Olympic Gold.

But Murray has beaten two of the all time greats. Federer in the Olympics final. Djoko is the US Open final.

I am no great cycling expert, but the field in this years Tour looked extremely thin, with Evans massively under performing and Contador absent. Would Valverde, Froome or Nibali be fit to polish Fed or Novak's tennis shoes?

Chuck in the tears after the Wimbledon final and to me Murray should win.

He will also have an entire country voting for him as well as a few of us.

Think that's a very good post

Mo Farah with the 5000/10000 double and the huge impact he had on the public consciousness with the mobot and Super Saturday is I think my vote to win it

Murray's victory last night was also not on terrestial TV. I wonder if that counts against him a little when it comes to casual votes.

In truth though I couldn't complain if any of six to eight the candidates won it, especially Murray or Wiggins alongside Farah

As a cycling fan, I cannot disagree with Keith's view re Murray v Wiggins.

But, Mo's Olympic double is the iconic sporting performance of the year.

Just playing Devils Advocate because like Tighty I don't really care who wins it as there are so many deserving of it AND because I think the titles won are always more important than this pat on the back but....

You complained when people said that Wiggins' sporting achievement was Britain's best ever as it happened every year so had more opportunity than an Olympian for example. Is Muzza's therefore diluted because he has 4 chances a year to reach the pinnacle and Wiggins only has one?
Also first brit ever >>>>>>>>first brit for 75 years isn't it?

If we get Rusedski's, Owen's, Beckham's and Gigg's back we can give 5 out this year.

I can't argue Wiggins achievement isn't unique, because it obviously is.

But how many realistic winners of the Tour have we ever had?

I remember when Robert Millar was the only Brit competing!

We have had countless players trying to succeed Fred Perry as a Grand Slam winner. All have failed.

I love the Tour, but outside France and Spain it simply isn't such a big event as a Grand Slam tennis tournament. And it certainly isn't as competitive.

To me, Murray's speech after losing the Wimbledon final was the single most iconic moment.

If he becomes world number one this would also happen leading upto spoty keeping him in the public eye. I love Wiggins everything about him, not just his achievements but also his image and personality. Just can't see him getting the votes that Murray will. There are too many cyclists up for nomination which will also rob him of crucial votes.

Who votes for TV competitions? I don't even vote for Strictly and I love that programme like I love Gazza's free kick in '91.

Basically, people who vote are people who have just about heard of tennis. They def won't have watched TdF. So, although they will recognise Wiggo's achievement and will vote for him into the top 3, Murray's performances will stand out more to your average X Factor/LateNightCasinoTV/Strictly voter.

As for the standard of the oppo, it's not Wiggo's fault that (most of) the drugs cheats have been found out. You can only beat what's there. Schleck missing was a big deal, mind.

You can pick holes in any argument: Murray has only beaten one of the top players in each victory; he has never beaten Fed and Nadal in the same major.

As I say, Murray makes #1 and he locks this comp up IMO. Wiggins takes a deserved silver and a KBE.

Voting figures for SPOTY are really low - much less than an average week on XFactor.

Except when Justin Fashanu received loads of votes.

not true, he beat Djokovic and Federer to win Olympics.... and to add to his other achievements we should include the mixed doubles silver which at times was close to 2 vs 1 with the way Robson was serving.

Murray is slim fave for me at, with Wiggins a little behind, the problem for Wiggins is that:

1. the average voter wont watch cycling and many more will watch tennis.
2. almost everything he does is on secondary TV (Eursport)
3. all his achievements were in the early part of the year and Murray won his GS in September which will stick in the memory to a larger degree.
4. Way more has been made of Murrays success because of the time passed since a British winner, whereas not so much made of British never winning the Tour De France

still determined to opposed bradley with anyone i see.

No way murray wins it, farah is still the only realistic opposition.

Sorry, disco you are right. I'm more interested in actual slams, rather than the dressage that was the olympic tennis.

Tennis in the Olympics is still a joke but there we are. Nothing new, I know.

Murray did beat both and both were trying against him. Again, still think he'll win and fair play to him. Hope he goes on to win many majors and dominates the game. Don't care that he doesn't smile on court.

Hasn't there been a suspicion that a few of these have been rigged in recent years ?

Any chance the Ryder Cup could still make an impact ie Rory crushing ?

if he didnt win it last year, then i cant see him having any chance at beating the high quality field this year

i agree, you dont go to madison avenue and complain that the advertising execs arent smiling enouhg.....

tennis is kinda silly in the olympics but at the end of the day he still won and annihilated a roger federer that wanted it very badly.... i suspect he will win a decent few majors going forward, there doesnt look to be many players that are gonna come and chalenge the top 4 consistently and in the next few years federer is gonna decline and the amount of injuries nadal is having (particularly on his legs, is gonna leave the game open to murray and djoko to dominate a lot of the majors imo

Should be an interesting announcement.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2202096/Sports-Personality-Year-award-faces-BBC-changes.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2202096/Sports-Personality-Year-award-faces-BBC-changes.html)

I keep on changing my mind about who I think is going to win. I think Ennis makes the top 3 though.

If she does, I would be disappointed, as I don't think she has produced the third best sporting achievement, that she is the third best sportsperson of the last twelve months or that she's particularly deserving against this year's competition.

Previous years, she's top 3; this one, top six.

Would she have stood as good a chance had she not been on every advert for the last six months?

She seems a lovely person and fearsomely talented against her peer group. Would have loved to have seen her against the great Carolina Kluft.

defintly cant look past farah or wiggins, ennis was amazing but these two were in a league of there own personally wiggins for me

Ian James Poulter

not sure poulter will get anything tbh but the ryder cup team are proba  shoe in for team of the year.

GB Olympic Cycling Team are far more deserving for the team award.

Doesn't it have to be a team sport for them to win the team award?

Wiggins 1.1 to be top 3. Am I missing something or is this an all in?

If you could rely on the British public to vote based on sporting achievement then you'd think so.

But I think the probability a top 3 of Ennis, Murray and Farah is significant enough to worry about at that price.  The Armstrong story might have an adverse impact too on Wiggins' vote as there'll be an element of the general public who'll believe that all cyclists take drugs.

It would be a travesty if he's not top 3 but I'm not entirely confident the public vote will put him there.  If the vote ends up being a 'who they like' not a 'who's deserving' then Ennis, Murray and Farah could well be the 3.

FYP

Nah, more people like Wiggins than Murray and don't think it's even close.

Go all in and hold!

Not sure on whether it was this thread of the Tips for Tikay one but does anyone know what happens to the advised bet with Ladbrokes on there being x number of females in the final 10 when they have anounced that there will be a shortlist of 12.

Is it a void bet?

i'm on 5 and 6 lol - sure will stand, not voided yet tho

Might go against him?

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article-2220787/Bradley-Wiggins-accused-signing-abusive-Cayman-Islands-tax-avoidance-scheme-Bill-Roache.html

Excellent reporting there - so helpful of the Mail to include the picture of a Cayman Island beach
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/21/article-2220787-1599B29A000005DC-36_634x406.jpg)

 just in case we thought it looked more like

(http://rutapeckiene.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/gallery-a-place-in-the-du-003.jpg)


The news may have an impact on his chances, especially added to the worsening public image of cycling TdF style

Yeah, didn't want to link to a Daily Mail site, but the only other site I could find the same detail on was the Times, and most of that article was behind their paywall.

It's the same scheme that Bill Roache is involved in.  Read a cracking article about him recently, the bloke's utterly bonkers (here's some of what he said here: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/05/coronation-street-actor-bill-roache_n_1857082.html)

Whilst we're going tangentially here - the first paragraph of Roache's wiki page suggests he never really had a chance...

Roache's Freemason grandfather was interested in such things as hypnotism, theosophy, spiritualism, homoeopathy and esotericism, and the teachings of philosopher and educationalist Rudolf Steiner.[3] Roache for a time attended a Steiner school set up by his grandfather in the garden of the family home in Ilkeston Derbyshire.[4] Roache was later educated at the independent Rydal School in Colwyn Bay, North Wales.

Mind you, his youthful good looks which no doubt stem from his vegetarian lifestyle, did manage to attract weather girl Emma Jesson (43)...
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He boasts about the thousands of women he's 'bedded'. Naughty Ken.

just seen bradley is in the line up for iaacgmoh will boost his profile at the right time aslong as he doesnt make a complete idiot out of himself

iaacgmooh. Had to google it tho :)

i have never been able to spell

I'm concerned now. I think the camels punt is looking a better bet by the day.

nominees announced tonight on the one show at 7pm

Farrah, Murry, Ennis. Weir an outside shot imo

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/sports-personality/20499614

Boom had it voided few wks bk but looks like some ppl moaned and theyve now paid out on 5 too on my ac, wiii!

It's between Wiggins and Murray, with Farah third and Ennis just missing out IMO. I'd go Wiggins but the BBC and its audience love Murray.

I think mo is value at 5-1+.

Top, top bloke and I have a feeling wiggins/cycling cld suffer from the armstrong scandal when it comes to votes.

For many the olympics is all about the athletics and thus somehow i think jess will therefore poss pip murray to third too.

Be pretty crazy if he dsnt get close after his amazing year.

Ben Ainslie is retiring - don't know if that'll affect the odds at all or not.

I see it will be telephone voting on the night. Do we think the general public have made up their minds already, or will the SPOTY programme change views on the night?

Interesting. Difficult to call the winner.

http://www.oddschecker.com/awards/sports-personality-of-the-year/sports-personality-of-the-year/winner

No ideai f anyone is offereing e/w 1/5 top 3, but Mo Farah is a shot to nothing if they are

Surprised he is 5-1 and Bradley short odds on

The iconic Olympics image was Farah doing the double, and the mobot

Replay that on the night, and surely the votes come out for Mo?


very tricky to predict really

What does 11 Olympians (albeit with Murray) say about the rest of British sport?

Wiggins is going to win it for his non-Olympic feat this year.

Agree which is why id rather be on mo at 6's on betfair than wiggo at odds on.

Unforts cant find any1 doing ew top 3 on the win market or it wld be an abso lump job.

I doubt you would lump on Mo at this price, even assuming Mr Coral would take more than £20 on this market. (Top 3 Finish).

There is no "EW" market as such.


http://www.oddschecker.com/awards/sports-personality-of-the-year/sports-personality-of-the-year/top-3-finish

Exactly unforts 1/4 is about the right price-poss even a little too short.

Mo wld be a 'dirty ew' bet if the win market had place terms as at the normal 1/5 the odds we'd be getting evens the place....if only!

Comparing that coral market to the more realistically priced betfair one, the only top 3 prices that they seem competitive with are Weir,Simmons and Rory.

Tells me they think this is a 4 horse race which I mostly agree with.

However, Rory top 3@50's tempts me a small bit as the only golfer in the betting.

Had a throwaway tenner on it, don't think he will but I don't make it a 50-1 shot.

Sugar-coated with his Olympic feat.

Isn't he a cyclist though? I thought they all do drugs or something?


Obv not entirely serious but do wonder if the recent Lance Armstrong thing might hurt him a bit...

This.

I don't actually get how since this scandal he has actually got shorter in the betting.

Cavandish won it last year too, I just don't think we are a massive cycling fanboy nation, thus think some ppl might fancy a diff type of winner.

I may double my mo bet and have small savers on jess and murray.

How many on this list do we think are taking PED's of some form?

Mo has to win it.  He beat The Cube FFS!!

I'd hope 0.

I'd say as many as 6 wouldn't surprise me.

So i'll go for 3.

Are bookies offering EW bets on this market? If Farah is 5/1 might be worth a EW punt?

Nah is win only.

There is a sep place top 3 market which coral and betfair offer, but in the main the prices are no value, certainly not for mo.

http://www.oddschecker.com/awards/sports-personality-of-the-year/top-3-finish (http://www.oddschecker.com/awards/sports-personality-of-the-year/top-3-finish)

This.

Its tough, Wiggins has this rebelious streak that some people seem to like (Kind of like a likable Ronny O'Sullivan) but everything about Farah is just endearing - two golds, super saturday, the Mobot, his daughter, his grumpy wife (I think a few million men felt for him when seconds after his 2nd Olympic triumph his missus seemed to be giving him a mouthful about something), the fact he is little, beating the Cube etc etc.

Anyone know what the exact voting process is? ie. do votes come in on the night? If so, I think once we see footage of Mo early on the show, it might swing it his way.

This is my concern, they have said all voting will be done on the night by the public.  Just checked and last year they did a phone in vote which opened at 8pm on the night of the show.  BBC voting is vastly different to phone in votes on other channels and IIRC has more variance than other broadcasters.  You probably have to consider a lot of people not watching the show will forget to vote, then you have to look at the key demographic watching.  You won't have many large groups of men watching, you're down to families, couples and single.  IMO Women are more likely to be bothered to vote than men, so you have to look at who from the list women are more likely to vote for.  It makes it tough.  Personally I think Ennis won't place on this basis.  I know I've been slammed for mentioning this before but Simmonds is better than Sevens to finish in the top three with Weir around fives in the same market.  Personally I think that's where the value is.  I still like Mo's chances to win though.  He was incred on the Cube.

Tommy

Don't Women like Ennis?

Why is BBC voting different from other channels? Is that the mechanics of the vote or just the demographic watching?

ta


I like Mo too in this, fwiw.

The BBC has a different demographic watching compared to other commercial channels.  Generally an older viewer will watch more BBC1 rather than say ITV1.

Women in general like Ennis but I think they are more likely to vote elsewhere.  Through the history of phone voting women have fared worse on shows than men on the whole, which is odd when more women watch the shows.  The caveat to this is women voters have stronger loyalty than men (in other words they are more likely to repeatedly vote for one person or more likely to stick with one candidate through multi round systems, the later doesn't apply here).  When women vote for women, it can be argued there is some sort of collective maternal protective instinct rather than admiration for talent.  To look at something comparable on the BBC, The Voice shock of the series in terms of talent was Leanne beating Ruth in the semi final IMO.  I would argue on pure talent Ruth should have won that.  But the strength of that was shown in the final when Leanne won in a final where I think others were more talented.  Just my opinion but I think women are much more likely to vote elsewhere despite liking Ennis in general.

I would have thought that Ennis would attract the female vote - as she's a brilliant athlete, attractive (although there's a thread on here that says differently in some peoples' opinion) and a great female role-model?

Yeah, agree with this. A lot of the Olympic BBC media coverage was emphasising the success of the women in team GB. Ennis was after all the poster girl of London.

I'd also expect a larger & wider spread viewing audience this year, perhaps changing the normal demographic.

I have to admit the lack of either Laura Trott or Jade Jones in the final shortlist does prevent a lot of split voting for people who take a 'best woman' line in the vote.

TBH that's an excellent point Tonji about the demographic probably being broader on the back of a sucessful Olympic year.  I still think women are more likely to vote than men and phone vote history has shown women doing worse than men in shows.  I of course stand to be corrected and if it was down to talent and being a role model then Ennis would be a worthy winner IMO, but then again so would several of them.

Disappointed not to see Craig Whyte's name not up there. Perhaps he is a shoe-in for the Lifetime Achievement Award or Unsung hero?

I'm pretty sure that's the main reason she's on the short list.

Does nobody think Ennis might not place purely because she's won a single gold whereas pretty much all of the other contenders have achieved either something exceptional for a Brit (e.g. Wiggins, Murray), something exceptional in general (e.g. Farah), been rewarded for persistence (e.g. Grainger) or something historically significant (e.g. Nicola Adams)

Heptathlon is extra-special though - one gold for being good at seven different things.

Farah got one gold for running a bit and another for running a bit further.

Completely agree with all of that on a moral point (with the exception of Adams, as it's hardly like it has been years and years of GB being beaten in women's boxing at the Olympics!)

However, she's much more marketable (and has been more than prepared to be marketed) and Brand Ennis has been pushed against our retinas more than Gio Compario.

Survey on MSN's homepage

vote now

Who do you think should win 2012 BBC Sports Personality of the Year?

 21 %
Jessica Ennis
18,182 votes

 19 %
Mo Farah
16,744 votes

 5 %
Sir Chris Hoy
3,933 votes

 12 %
Andy Murray
10,081 votes

 6 %
Ellie Simmonds
5,496 votes

 1 %
Katherine Grainger
660 votes

 4 %
Rory McIlroy
3,138 votes

 3 %
David Weir
2,376 votes

 26 %
Bradley Wiggins
22,782 votes

 2 %
Ben Ainslie
1,754 votes

 1 %
Nicola Adams
1,071 votes

 0 %
Sarah Storey
535 votes

Wiggins is absolutel;y nailed on on Betfair.
Ennis out at 14.5
might be worth a tickle

Link to thread where people suggest Ennis isn't attractive?

I have a fairly unconventional view of beauty in women (I think Carla Bruni is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen) but I can't believe there is a man on earth who doesn't think Jessica Ennis is stunning.

In this video she looks better than Pendleton which is a pretty impossible feat.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWMySZa0TzQ

Think Millidonk was one guilty party, but could be wrong.....

shes really cute, and a really good role model

but having watced her on celeb juice/league of their own, her crack is shocking

Morning buzz.

I'm a little confused by that Post.

Was it a deliberate typo, a double intendre, or just an observation? Did you mean "craic"?

lol

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=57814.msg1573305#msg1573305

I think they're both great, but Vicki gets the nod for me. 

Reasonably attractive yes, but stunning? not even close......

She's not from Asia for a start ;)

Lol, I'm not THAT one eyed  :D

I had a thing for Pendleton but she's a disappointing rotter on strictly, put me right off her.

Pendleton is real chalk and cheese with/without make up, I know most girls are to some extent but she takes it to the extreme.

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Looks fine to me.  Bet she wouldn't be too impressed with most of the blokes on here without make-up either.

What did she do on Strictly?

Jess Ennis and Victoria Pendleton are "rancid".

That is the most amazing comment from (I'm  assuming)a  hetrosexual  man I can imagine.

The impression was that she wasn't putting her heart and soul into the dance on the night; not letting herself go. There were plenty of rumours that she wasn't happy about losing muscle mass in her legs but hard to know what weight to give to gossip.

She was gutted to leave so it was all a little odd, even though it was probably about her time to go.

LOL.

It's a game show!

She put her heart and soul into winning Olympic gold medals.

Strictly Come Dancing is a bit of fun.

Long before the olympics Jess is one of my all time top sports crushes - she is just gorgeous....mind you opinions are lik noses I guess

She's all yours mate, I'll stand out the way for you even  ;goodluck;

Thanks fella.  You're a true gent :D

My dear old fellow, you just don't understand art.

::)  :D

No thanks. You're seeing something that I'm not.

mmmmm - I don't get that

On a lighter note - tyty for posting that you tube video, took  me back to an amzing summer for a split second

Was just going to post similar myself.  It made the hairs stand up on the back of my neck.  It also makes me a bit sad too.  I remember walking out of the Olympic stadium on the night when Farah won his second gold and saying "Can anything ever be this good again?". 

On the Ennis thing....beauty is very much in the eye of the beholder and what one man likes another doesn't.  There are a handful of women in the world where this doesnt apply and they just are incredible.  Jessica Ennis is one of those women.

Think ennis has a gorgeous smile but aside from that is pretty ordinary

I think George just nailed it for me.

Jess is going to be crying her eyes out when she realises a load of fat guys on the internet don't rate her.

I'll give her a shoulder or something to cry on.

Yeah. Terrible body and personality.

Sheesh.

Think I've watched that video at least once every week since the Olympics.

This one is good too (American female swimmers are incredibly hot imo)

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPIA7mpm1wU:

I mentioned before that Millidonk's stance surprised me most, he was in the forces for almost a decade FFS!

You'll be saying Adlington is a stunner next and you want babies from the ugly one from Girls Aloud.
;)

i would say no if either offered me a night of passion

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That's what Keys and me think anyway.

Haha, brilliant :D

If you ever need her nailing again, I'll do it for you.

I got abso ruined for saying I didn't fancy her in that other thread + RAF girls are fit. Your wrens are a disgrace and the army are lesbos.

You got rinsed for describing them both as rancid, although the last word of your post above indicates you're not a man who would ever knowingly understate.

Yea. I often choose my words quite poorly. I've read back over it, rancid was the wrong word, I should have said I didn't find them aesthetically pleasing. Fwiw since the olympics I have fallen in love with Jessica's personality, still don't find her physically attractive however, Bex will be happy to know she now falls firmly into the 'fit' camp. It is worth noting the comment I made in response to Red about respecting them both as athletes and human beings in that thread. Not a complete scum bag.

It seems clear to me you haven't met many females who are in the army.

Done a quick google search, for research purposes, and can confirm the above to be true.

Yes it is definitely me who is at fault here...

Great. We agree then.

When I look at Jessica Ennis I see someone who could happily drill us all into the carpet without breaking sweat. We would be left twitching & dribbling on the floor while she would just spring up looking for a PB in the next event. That kind of explosive power is appealing. Having said that I been watching Andrew Flintoff's fight series this week and saw his wife for the first time. Holy momma, hope nothing happens to Freddy tongiht.

So....sports personality of the year then...

Freddie's wife?

MANTIS FTW, Ennis to come second ;)

ha ha. What's Wiggins done to his trade mark sideys，I was growing mine in celebration but tbh they turned out to look like lead character in the cult 79/80's show "Monkey"

Msn poll of 109,000 votes has Wiggins on top followed by Ennis, then Farrah.  Obviously it's not the real thing but 109k votes is a decent enough sample.  Not sure it's worth backing Ennis without Wiggins as Mo is pretty close. 
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Surely this just suggests a max bet on Ennis, can´t see why you´d want to be on the without Wiggins market, if the above is decently representative then Ennis is a great bet.

I'm still not convinced Wiggins is a shoo in.

And if these figures are representative, it backs my theory up.

If it's close I think athletes will have the edge.

Come the night it will be an Olympics love in and I'm assuming (not certain though) that the BBC won't have footage of the Tour.

Wiggins won just as many of those shiny gold medals as Ennis.

On top of that there was the jaunt in France.

Yeah, but he won his gold in a boring event.

Might as well have been sailing or archery.

I think the point The Camel is making is the general public are complete idiots and get distracted easily by shiny things, rather than worrying about whether their answer is actually correct.

This being the case, he makes a valid point. Ennis won one event. Yes it was in seven parts but all her opponents had to do the same. Not all of Farah's ran both 5 and 10k. Wiggins won the TdF and the Olympic TT. Murray won Olympic gold at Wimbledon, placed highest in Wimbledon in however many years and won the US Open.

And still Ennis might win.

Ennis was in all the adverts and the BBC talked a lot about her - and the general public are complete idiots, so definitely might be worth a bet.

I´m a member of the general public and if I was to vote it would be for Ennis :-).

The problem with wiggins is he just isn't likeable, where as Ennis and farah have great public draw. For me, the only thing keeping wiggins up top is the fact that Ennis and farah steal each others votes!

I am also leaning towards Ennis and Farah, however one thing I am still wondering about the voting demographic. Are we sure it is made up of idiots in the general public, because if so, Im really surprised Tony McCoy won it in 2010 with 40% of the vote. I know it was a really weak year and this year the country is on a real high with Olympic fever, but surely most of the general public didnt even know who McCoy was?

This was the voting, interesting Ennis made 3rd that year:

1. Tony McCoy 293,152 (41.98%)
2. Phil Taylor 72,095 (10.33)
3. Jessica Ennis 62,953 (9.02)
4. Lee Westwood 58,640 (8.4)
5. Graeme McDowell 52,108 (7.46)
6. Tom Daley 50,763 (7.27%)
7. Mark Cavendish 44,170 (6.33)
8. Amy Williams 43,056 (6.17)
9. Graeme Swann 13,767 (1.97)
10. David Haye 7,538 (1.08)

I actually think this supports my point. The papers were full of support for AP and so were the radio stations, TV and anything else going. Phil Taylor got second, and as much as I love darts, this doesn't suggest Telegraph readers are the ones calling the shots.

Ennis has more chance of winning than I personally believe she deserves. That isn't to say she hasn't done exceptionally well this year and coped with an enormous amount of expectation on her shoulders. I just believe that at least three others are more deserving.

Assuming you are including Andy Murray in that I couldnt disagree more!

Olympians get 1 shot every 4 years at achieving their goal. Add to that the sheer weight of national expectation on Ennis (partly brought on herself obv), but it far outweights Murray eventually winning a grandslam out of his "x" attempts. Just because we are generally bad at a spot as a nation, doesnt mean we should put on a pedestal one kid who makes it in a generation.

I'd vote for Mo, just to annoy the BNP and Woodsey.

Just because most people don't watch cycling on the tele doesn't make them idiots.  It's pretty much only the TdF that's accessable to most, I don't think any other event is on normal tele.  Ennis was thrusted in the public view before, during and since the games. I don't think a week goes by when I don't see her on one chat show or another.  Can't remember the last time I saw Wiggins (or Mo).

I am but our question is whether she can win, rather than whether she can place. Sadly, my conclusion is she can.

I can´t see where the sadness would come from, pretty much any of them winning would only bring happiness.

I like the people to win who I want to win. That's all I meant.

If Lisa Riley wins Strictly, I'll be disappointed because I believe others are better dancers. I'll be happy for her and wish her health, wealth and happiness, but I'd rather someone else won.

If Ennis wins, I will be happy for her and it will cap a fantastic year for her and for British sport. I will also be disappointed that Wiggins didn't win, because I think his achievements this year were greater.

Like I say, Ennis has done fabulous things this year and I have nothing but respect for her. However, that SPOTY is as much a popularity contest as a decision on the best achievement over a 12 month period is a little disappointing to me. That's perhaps a better word.

Looking forward to watching this as much as I am an actual sporting event, what a year it's been.

^^^ this

For me super Saturday was the highlight of the sporting year with Mo being the icing. My vote is for the Mo bot.

I haven't bothered watching it for a while but I think it's easily going to be well worth it this year for the sporting review aspect of it.

My vote would also go for Mo because his achievement is good for anyone in the world to do whereas others like Wiggins or Murray are only particularly good because they're British.

As good as she is I think Ennis is one of the weakest in the field so I'd be pretty disappointed if she won it purely based on popularity - but ultimately it's the sporting roundup I'm interested in rather than the actual award part.

I am voting for Mo, those Saturday nights were the highlights of the sporting year for me

I expect him to be third to Wiggins and Ennis

It's a year when 7-8 of the final 10 would win in most other years

My vote goes to Ben Ainslie.  If they rig it so he doesn't win, then can Ennis win pls.

I would love to see Nicola Adams win (she won't obviously) for no other reason than her smile. You could really feel her happiness and how much it all meant to her whenever she was on TV.

Also I would like to see David Weir or Sarah Storey get a top 3 place (this isn't going to happen either) for their achievements but I believe Ellie Simmonds stands more chance.

Jess is onto 3s from 6s last night. Hope she takes it down, purely from a profit point of view. Can't see enough cycling fans voting for Wiggo...

Wiggo has had a few?

Since Wiggins has been talking on SPOTY he has gone Pink on Odds checker

Regards

M

Could do with Ennis crying when it's her turn

Wiggo plays it for votes then. I need mo to cry in his interview

Sorry but I can't help but be totally meh about the Paralympics/Paralympians.

Wow! Did you just say that out loud? Thought you had more class than that mate

Wiggo up first in the graveyard slot with a shit VT. Come on Ennis! I've backed Ennis and Mo reverse FC too...

That's one of the problems with the world today, people can't say what they think without someone saying they are un pc or whatever, i dont really care. Anyway, that's not a discussion for now......

Agree with the sentiment, but not on this occasion, the subject

Me too

On with the show

Go bark up another tree please lads.....

Surely as Athletes they put in the same training and committment as their able bodied counterparts? and therfore deserve recognition for their acheivements (just my opinion....)

I'm done with it, on with the show as Guy said, I discuss it tomorrow if you want.

Liking that they are leaving Mo and Ennis to the end, keep em fresh in the minds when the voting lines open

Who chooses that? Seems a bit unfair if its not a random order.

The coverage is disjointed, seem to be flitting all over the place in and out of sports picking up contenders on the way, as long as they are not in Miami or Perth.

Really interesting

Lines not open yet, but will be when Mo and Ennis have their slots?

Errectus Nipplus, should get a few extra votes too......!

Jess looking rancid as always

Big ovation, really like her chances

Prefer that young mixed race heptathlete that was in shot to Jess tbh.

Mo surely deserves it for putting up with his miserable Mrs....

I thought that the ubiquitous Claire Balding had been transferred to channel 4. :(

2013

I just hope it hasn't cost you a deserved place in the advent calender mate  :D

Claire's pulled....... :D

Hows My Dai Greene & David Beckham Bet Looking ?

Why? not having a go, just trying to quantify it. No doubt everyone less enamored with it than the able body olympics but why exactly.

Interesting rule! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/sports-personality/19997397

TEAM OF THE YEAR

For the team in an individual sport or sporting discipline that has achieved the most notable performance in the calendar year to date. The team should have significant UK interest or involvement.

For the avoidance of doubt this criteria excludes Team GB/Paralympics GB but includes the likes of British Cycling, Rowing Coxless Four and the European Ryder Cup team.

The expert panel responsible for choosing the shortlist for the main Sports Personality of the Year award will decide the 1st, 2nd and 3rd places for the Team of the Year award based on reaching a consensus view. If a consensus view cannot be reached on the top three, then the Panel will be asked to vote. In the event of a tied vote, the Chairperson's decision will be binding.

The winner will be announced during the Sports Personality of the Year show, with details on the BBC website.

Oh hang on a second..

Was it someone on here who was claiming Coe was on Gummi Berry Juice for his wins?

Think it was a friend of Keith's who is quite knowledgeable in that area.

Shit, Murray in 3rd? That's not in the script.

Mo Farrah not even placed ???

My thoughts too, whole of Jockland voting for Murray obv.

should have put my house on it as per OP

Poor mo. Shocker

To be fair wiggo is the one with the most personality, so seems a fair result  :)

Will mo care tho? I mean, is 2nd or 3rd that important?

middle class england more like it, old chap - the ones that go to wimbledon

Fk that, I'm stereotypical middle class England, public school, rugby and cricket fan and a tennis player who sometimes goes to Wimbledon, I wouldn't vote for him in a million years.

Thats funny, I didn't think he was a paralympian?

 I didn't need that excuse in Andy Murray's case.  :-X

your upbringing yeah but you've morphed into some sort of alf garnett revival act

Have you even met me in real life? Probably best to wait until you have really before saying things like that.

Was it odd that the BBC had Lennox on hand and 3rd place trophy on hand in Miami, in a comp decided by votes on the night?

just going by what you say on blonde -  in this one thread a dig about political correctness disabled people and "jockland" - what am I meant to think?

LOL, That's what I thought. Thought Lennox was superb.

No wonder Mo's wife looked miserable then.

Yes I hate people telling me what I should think, I'm pretty sure you do too....

Wiggins at the after show party

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-RzjosCMAAW4Lu.jpg:large)

BBC issued a statement this morning basically saying, "the judging panel all decided to change the rule".

Were there bets taken on the team award?.......anyone seeing the rule and ploughing into The Ryder Cup team is going to be well ****** off!

Rancid. Not.

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She looked fantastic in that dress.

She looks fantastic out of it.

Agreed.

Nice result
bet on Ennis at 14.5
cashed it in at 4 and put all the profit on Wiggins at 1.6 2 mins before the votes closed.

Would have prefered Ennis to win personally, but it felt like a certainty that Wiggins was going to get it.

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the actual figures

Wow, just 8% for Mo.

Racist Brits. Did I just say that out loud?  :D

I bet most voters had never heard of him prior to the Olympics and haven't heard from him since.

He beat the Cube ffs!

and Super Saturday at the Olympics primetime BBC1 had 10m viewers!

Staggered he only got 131k votes

They voted for Ennis & she's not white.

Is 1st that important?

Isn't the whole thing pointless?

Wiggins said it was the most important win of his career.

May have been tongue in cheek, but if not, a big fat WTF? to that

It's a light entertainment show rather than a serious sports award but it's voted for by the public and presented by the BBC so it's got that veneer of respectability that you just wouldn't get if it was an ITV production for example.