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So how popular are the edl at the moment? I know they teamed up with the British freedom party.

Watched a lot of demonstrations/speeches etc as a form on entertainment if anything. I know a lot of 'lutonions' post on here and I heard that's where all the initial anger stemmed from. 

They obviously try to distance themselves from the national front/bnp etc but without he masses of football fans who will naturally be a little lary they will have no chance of getting a sufficient amount of votes to make them ever be able to achieve anything.

This is by no means a post promoting the edl btw, ive always found right wing organisations incredibly interesting from trying to understand them and generally find all the documentaries etc pretty funny.

We need some EDL members on PHA imo.


YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuNuqIev8M

Yeh these guys always going to come up. Whilst I don't want tO sound like a right Wong sympathiser, what exactly should the party do?

They either turn away a huge amount of people who's main problem is that they are basically uneducated and have no chance of getting a working class job and this massively decreasing their chances  of ever gettIng close to power, or they keep everybody have bigger numbers but constantly be assOciates with the people like the guy on the video.

They are not a political party.

They are a bunch of hooligans, thugs and trolls who want to blame their shitty life on anyone apart from themselves.

What should they do? They should GTFO of my country.

But the 'thugs' represent a huge part of the country. Maybe not your age or class but so many people I know from school/growin up who are 18-25 fit massively into the stereotype you gave.

They are actually a political party now, like I said in op they have Joined forces with the British freedom party.

Don't get me wrong I don't support them or anything just interested in seeing exactly who follows then and as a community the general intelligence level is very high so was just seeing if any representation really.

I really love to write a book about right wing parties when I'm a little older I do find then really interesting and whilst I'll never support then I've tried to look past the initial common problems to understand then a bit more although I agree at times it's very hard.

Fwiw Keith would you also want the Islamic community who choose to use sharia law to 'get out of your country' too or is it just the hooligan younger English guys?

a national newspaper listed a bunch of policies a while back across a full page and asked "would you vote for this party", all very legit very reasonable policies and it turned out to be the BNP....

even though there are a lot of extreme retard policies in some of the far right political groups some of the sentiments they have actually resonate through  large parts of the country....

im not even close to supporting any of the extreme parties but certain parts of the ideals and thought processes are pretty legit and if they were adjusted to be slighty less extreme, would get a shit load of votes if they were made to be the main focus of their campaigns imo

The EDL/BNP/National Front are all just hate groups that call themselves political parties to garner media coverage.

During the last general election campaign I had a look at the BNP website to find out about their economic policies (Nick Griffin had mentioned them on his Question Time appearance) and the few paragraphs on there were a complete joke. Any GCSE economics student could tear them apart. It was all old protectionist policies about how self-sufficiency and firing up the mines again should be the priorities. There is a reason why these policies were abandoned for the most part in the late 19th century. They came back again when everyone nitted it up during the great depression but since the 20s no developed nation has enacted large scale protectionism.

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And I'm assuming this is pretty much what The Camel meant by saying they are not a political party. On paper they are, but in practice that's just a way of not getting themselves banned.  They can never turn away people who are 'basically uneducated' - because they are their raison d'etre.

They serve a useful purpose though - it makes it much easier for the security services to keep an eye on the people who support their ideas.

Of course they can blur the situation and get support by highlighting mainstream issues. Some people will be fooled and some will close their eyes to an organisation's main purpose because the issue being addressed is more important to them, just like the IRA gained support in Dublin in the 80s by it's anti-crime "initiatives" and it's involvement in Concerned Parents Against Drugs.

Please look up sharia law for starters.  It doesn't mean what you think it does.

Of course if you meant the extreme Islamists to leave the country then LDO.   

 

The Muslims in England aren't English?

Are you actually an EDL sympathiser at heart?

I'm not a fan of any religion really, but due to going to an RC school as a child and studying the language and culture of Iran as an adult, Islam and Catholicism just happen to be what I know most about.

Without going into a redic amount of detail Sharia doesn't mean one thing, it has so many variations and A LOT of it is down to one person's interpretation, many of the things covered in Sharia weren't remotely touched on in the Quran so it has been left to 'scholars' to make their own rulings and fill in the gaps.

Some rules change if you are Sunni or Shi'a (Sunni follow the word of the Quran a lot more strictly/Shia imo like to use a bit more common sense), it also changes in how it is followed from country to country.

It covers so many different things like diet, hygiene, sex, blood crimes, family dishonour, moral code, all stuff where it would be against your human rights to judge someone on in the UK.

To answer Pleno's point directly; anyone trying to take the law into their own hands, which choosing to follow any part of Sharia which conflicts with UK laws or people's human rights is, then yes they should be punished according to our own laws. Not sure how extradition would work tbh.

Due to some of the poorly written headlines a lot of people seem to think Sharia law is father's just killing their daughters if they have sex before marriage or bring shame on the family etc. It's obv a lot more than that.

Sharia law will never be enforced throughout the whole country and I sincerely hope it is never put into action to just settle the Islamic community's disputes.





 

I hope this is true, it would just lead to more ill feeling and separation in society. A friend of mine has an Asian friend, age 18, who happens to go out with a white girl. The white girls father has a problem, the mother does not. The Asian family have absolutely no problem with the matter whatsoever. Bizarre for a man who has been married for twenty or so years now, to have such a problem, having shown no racist tendencies before now. Crazy how these things work.

As far as the EDL are concerned, they can have a voice, but as long as no physical action is taken, i won't have a problem. Don't like them though.

if sharia law is ever considered to be brought in ...... YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hamKl-su8PE

I understand why you're concerned Karl - I believe in the Koran one of the rules is that you need 900 posts to ask for staking.

ill keep that in mind, i have about 3 weeks before my next likely action selling venture.....

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The EDL are not a political group, they are a bunch of jumped up wannabe football hooligans.    Any self respecting mob won't touch this lot with a barge pole though because they are riddled with old bill and other state intelligence officers.  I know a few football lads up and down the country and they treat the EDL with distain.  

As for the fella from Luton I understand he came from Irish stock, ironic that someone from an Irish background is involved with a group like this.  I guess it just shows there are racists in every community.  

I haven't yet read the other responses on this thread, I just saw the title and replied.  I will obviously read what others said before getting involved in any further debate.

This is true of the ireland situation.  I come from an Irish family and although I no longer live there I know of people across the country who supported the stance taken in many Republican areas against drug dealers and criminals. 

Today, however, those same people are dead set against groups taking on the role of vigilante there was a show recently on BBC about this and former IRA people were calling on the local community to pass on information surrounding such groups to the Gards and PSNI. 

Personally I am all for communities policing themselves and I think having that sort of community only make it a better place to live.  If the community take ownership of their own streets and neighbourhood's and stand upto the troublemakers and hoods then the community is stronger for it. 

I came across the IWCA a while ago and they have some real good people working for them and doing good work.   But I understand they are changing tact again and moving away from the actual politics.  I'm not sure though what the plans are.

I think that a lot of people forget that a large percentage of the people who support groups like the EDL are generally from deprived backgrounds, which breeds resentment.

You can see from that video that the guy there has clearly had a life that hasn't really given him a chance, whether it be thru a lack of a decent education, coming from a poor area, getting involved with the wrong kind of characters, having an unstable family life. 

Society has failed them in some way and one would hope that the government and local government are doing things to stop these kind of views on BOTH sides (as the muslim community certainly has similar kind of groups).

It's very easy to just judge these people on the video clips and soundbites without thinking of the path that lead them there....especially as I would expect most people on blonde come from relatively stable backgrounds and we've all had various opportunities that most of these people haven't.

Not supporting them in anyway at all....just think that a lot of the time people don't think of the cause of these issues and are quick to go OMG scum.

The recent success the BNP had was due to capturing the imagination of young working class people in this country.  The working class were deserted by New Labour when they came to power.  Tony Blair and his cronies are to blame for this. 

I also apportion blame to the gutter right wing press who continuously print lie after lie about asylum seekers and immigrants who come here to live. 

The working class areas are disenfranchised and only see their local MP's on or around election day.  They talk up re-generation and better housing but millions of people still live in poverty.  In certain areas across the country the youth see fathers & grandfathers, mothers and grandmothers, uncles, cousins etc live on the dole and this is what they aspire to.

The ruling class across the country have no concern for those under them.

Its easy to blame individuals but in lots of cases people don't know any better.  They do as others have done before them.

That said there can never be any excuse for racism or fascism of any kind.  The only people that should be deported from this country are cowards like Nick Griffen. 

There are millions of people from deprived areas who didn't have a proper education.

99% of them are decent, law abiding people who don't support fascist groups like the EDL.

I'll take the unders on 99% :)

There was a rather telling documentary that followed the clown who leads the EDL from Luton around on his day to day life.

A few times he reverted back to 'Character' and the truth about how he uses racial slurs and violence to get through various situation was alarming. Very little intelligence tbh, I was delighted he is at the helm, means they wont ever be serious or climb out of the cesspool.

He does come across badly in the documentary, very badly in fact but he's a guy who's used to being drunk around his mates and I think accepts that he barbed innaprppiately there, idi remember him vein punched in the face and not retaliating off the leader f the opposing Muslim party.

When he has been on tv he has always came across very good and intelligent with lots of facts to back up all I his arguments, if anything he is the only reason that I have any positive thoughts towards the party as before researching just assumed, naturally that thy were a bunch of thugs.

As far as I can see they only have probelms with Muslims who practice or more so want non Muslims to practice extreme sharia law that seems to have massively effected his home town - Luton which in turn changed his passion from going out drinking to becoming passionate over sown thing that he thinks will benefit his family and friends. One of his best friends is a practicing Muslim lad and there are 'Indian' 'Jewish' and other groups within he organisation which would never happen in party's such as the bnp/national front.

As far as the main problems are the national front etc say things such as get them all out etc but the edl seem to have a lot of issues that they massively
Disagree with and try to change conditions for their close ones who have been effected by the more aggressive/extreme jews. For example I think I heard something about there being a huge Jewish community in Luton but now there is next to none.

Also amazing

Don't know if it's trying to type on your phone or just yr stream of consciousness but either way, stick to PHA imo

So you are an EDL sympathiser!

"When he has been on tv he has always came across very good and intelligent with lots of facts to back up all I his arguments"

Not being funny or owt but lol..

fyp :)

Yeah this doesn't make any sense Pads since you say you watched the documentary, I believe it's the same one I also watched. As Acid said he let his guard slip a couple of times and showed his true colours, he's a racist twat.

Like I said he came across very very bad there. E has been on a lot of debate programmes the stuff for housewives on NBC whatever today's version of Kilroy is. He seems to have matured a lot (i guess after police told him that there is a price on his head from Muslim community) and puts across very strong arguments.

You could have a new catchphrase

"Say what you like about the EDL but......"

You do realise how much wrong there is in this post (and plenty of others you've made in this thread)?

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Did you see the X factor this week. They made a big thing of returning to Newcastle for the first time in 6 years. Then all they did was say how talentless the place was and one judge was annoyed that she was flown in from the states and the show had wasted her time. Louie pointed out that you could usually find some talent in the north west and Gary had to point out that Newcastle was in the north east. I accept that it's edited and they just showed a lot of clowns and only put 1 guy through. Even he was from Middlesbrough or Sunderland I think and he had put himself into care and come from a broken family. It just shows how easy it is for the media to portray groups of people how they want to.

LOL yeah, would love to hear his "very strong arguments".

Is there any other town that has its name dragged through the mud more than Luton ?

Wait a minute. Where has your picture gone. And who removed my post? I only said I would have got a yellow card minimum if I posted it ;)

Wait a minute I got it wrong again as per usual. Wrong thread  ;djinn;

Have a listen then! Rightfully so many people will never listen to what the leaders of these kind of parties say, if I had never watched them I would feel exactly the same way.

I've heard their ignorant, bigoted rhetoric. I wanted to hear how you'd summarise their salient points and strong arguments that you suggest they have.