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On the pure bubble of the SPT Grand Final

28 left, 27 paid

£26,000 up top, £600 for 27th

8.6m in play

Sam McDonald is the chip leader with 1.2m

Satnam Sandhu has 800,000 and is a top five stack

blinds are 5-10,000

Average is 300,000


Hand for hand

A SPT regular, Jamie Hurst opens to 24,000 UTG+1

Sandhu flats with  8h 8c in the cut off

Sam makes it 48,000 on the button

Sandhu: loose calling station, likes to see flops, difficult to disloge if he hits part of it

Sam: Aggressive chip leader, table captain

(history same orbit Sandhu calls down three bets on 8-10-Q-J-J with A-8 and is good versus McDonald)


Question 1. You are Sandhu with  8c 8h.

You decide to?


We play down the streets in subsequent posts....

Hurst folds to the 3 bet, action on you

Would like Hursts stack size before- this makes a huge difference on whether we should 3bet/get in or not. As played, we can call for 24k more into 111k atm if there are no antes. We would have approx 750k behind, so its ok, not a massive fan but don't like 4bet and folding seems a bit gay getting 4/1 to see first 3, with 750k back and 135k in the pot if we call. Pretty much set mining altho judging by Sams rep we "should" be calling down a chunk.

Calling is fine here.  Think 3 bet should have been standard with 88 and that stack on the bubble.

Hurst has under average, I'd say 250,000...fwiw as he's just folded

Easy call :)

To be honest I would play pretty fit fold postflop given stack sizes

So we call

There is 144,000 in the middle

We have 750,000ish

He has 1,150,000ish


Play has stopped on the other tables,and a crowd is gathering

We see a flop of

 3c 4h 7c


We are first to act

What is your preferred option and why?

If you check, are you check-call, check-raise or check-fold? 

Always checking, never check-raising. I'd check fold in this specific spot even though Sam can have anything here. We with a massive stack, on the bubble, oop to a total nutjob :P

He's just going to make you're life hell because it's terrible for you to bust and he knows that so will just apply maximum pressure. I might call one and re-evaluate but I just can't see him ever shutting down on the turn so it's just burning very valuable chips to call one and fold the turn, yet we don't wanna call/call/call allin with 88 here do we? So by process of elimination - check/fold.

Sam McDonald story checks out.

We have a winner. /thread

Completely agree with Alex. Sam is gonna put us in some horrendous spots down the streets with an uncapped range

check fold... we are guessing here op.... and its going to cost us a lot to find out v someone who is gonna show no weakness and is capable of 3 barrelling air and the nuts.. we set mined for 5% of our stack which is fine...we missed let it go..we are in good shape for the tourney and the last thing we need to do is get involved with the chip leader op in a minefield of a hand many better spots to come....

3b to induce Sam to cold 4b with what will be something like a 30% frequency lol

Anyone just fold pre when Sam 3 bets?

He gave a good price pre, now the flop doesn't have any 8's on it fold.

24k with implied odds of over 30-1, don't think u can fold to the 3bet. Purely setmining OOP though. Fold now

Check then ask him if he "came to play". Then jam flop.


In all seriousness, 3bet pre, now check fold.

Flopping sets is fun George, don't want to fold, but pretty close

Valid option imo. Though we're getting such a good price to set mine even because we can just check 3 streets to him when we do and be assured of getting at least 3 barrels!

Never folding pre, we start hand with 66 bigs, Sam has 3bet to 4 bigs. There is a gazillion dead chips in t'middle. Calling to set mine

But... when this board comes in game i'm calling one and seeing what the turn brings



Don't know the other guy with 20 bigs but a 3bet pre doesn't give any room for Sam to 4b/f vs the 20bb stack

vs Sammy Mac we could chk/call chk/click/call virtually any turn and I think that would be fine :P

Call the 3bet purely to setmine, fold the flop.

As played

Sandhu checks

MacDonald 48,000

Sandhu check raises to 110,000

MacDonald a long think, call


364,000 in the middle

Sandhu with 640,000 back

MacDonald with 1,000,000 back

turn  Qs


the action is on you....

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how long is long

2-3 minutes.

I think the original peel pre vs an UTG raiser with c20bbs on the bubble is a disaster to start with and then the problem just gets exacerbated street by street.

140k

As played have to continue trying to show a ton of strength now we've got in this spot. Sam is gonna be wider than most people here and we do have enough in chips to make him think twice about getting too ool. This is a very bad spot to get into in the 1st place though, c/r the nut worst of the available flop options by far.

Tank bet 85k, call a jam, and curse yourself if your behind.

c/call down now

Butchered the flop. Checking just gives Sam licence to bet/shove turn river. Think I just give up now

Jam. Most of the time they can't call :D

Seriously, c/r flop has given Sam license to really fuck us about here. Now we're OOP with the weakest part of our range vs the only opponent in the field who a) has us covered and b) is capable of any amount of mayhem at any point. GL with this now lets hope whichever guess you make is the right one :)up

Stand up on my chair and dolphin dive into the table for putting myself into such a stupid spot.

hahahahahaha made my day

admittedly that was clearly a damage limitation post, but surely lets keep betting and have some bluffs in said spazzing range.

assume his min 3b range is merged to fk here, given i see no value hand that would warrant 3betting that small v described villain. You wanted to play a big pot with a flop CR, must be to get some hero's/spaz repping a horribly tight value range. 200k ott and b/c.

Anything but c/folding flop vs this player in this spot is a complete trainwreck. gl getting to showdown the ~90% of the time you don't improve.

English only please !

I have a feeling the crowd gathering around the table is what prompted the over aggressive and unnecessary check/raise. He might have been happy to check/call all streets and muck otherwise. Not saying he thought about what I just said but instinctively did that because of the crowd; maybe he felt like he had a better chance of winning the pot by doing that and looking good in front of an audience. He's also probably unaware whether he's raising for value or as a bluff. Sandhu is the kind of guy who lets his pride get the better of him at the table.

check/fold > check/call/check/call > check/call/check/fold > what he ended up doing

Lol at play a hand with Sandhu. I can't see him giving up with a solid pair here.

This. Sandhu can't even give up 72o preflop after raises. This I know from experience.

Sandhu leads for 100,000

MacDonald makes it 232,000

Sandhu stands up, grimaces, stares Macdonald down and calls

the river comes 9c

Sandhu checks

Macdonald shoves

Sandhu calls or folds?

At the end of the hand, whether Sandhu calls or folds, we see Sam's cards

What are Sam's cards....?

Sam could have K6o ATo, absolutely anything

sandhu has played this so he can inflict the most pain on himself on every strett

sam has bet a 9 for value and is a winner -  A 9 specifically.

possibly could have a queen. hes shoving the river for value, its pretty clear this particular guy is never folding after he calls turn (imo)

This is Sammy Mac so it's more likely to be No Pair, Missed Gutshot!!

I have only just seen this thread! Just a few quite about the hand/history.

First hand of the table he flatted an open from the same guy who raised this pot, i 3bet from the sb and he tried (imo) to get an angle to make my 3bet a flat pre as I took a little out of my sb, then the rest of it, before putting in the raise. (not sure what he wasn't happy with). He folded after a ruling was called and the 3bet stood.

I had raised this guys limp then 3bet folded a 568 board and he just piled for about 4x and showed AA.

I then raised his limp a few hands later, it went check/check on 8JQ, turn K he check called, river brick went check check and I mucked, his A8o was good.

This hand guy opened to 20k, he flatted, i made it 48k first guy folded he called. It came  4c 4d 6c, he checked to me i bet 28k he made it 100k i called. Turn  Qs he bet 110k i made it 260 he called. River  9c he checked I but him in for his last 400k...

Tal the deranged lagtard mentalist that he is declares fold. If McDonald can't beat 88 here, we tap the table and wish him and his chips well.

We still have 400k left.

In the words of Tony G, he played it like a set.

We never have a flush here and a check-raise-lead looks huge on the bubble v the chip leader. How often are we really pure bluffing? If we have half a hand, we have demonstrated an ability to call.

If Sam is bluffing with Ac he has to jam the end to win but he knows we can still call.

My guess is 77.

This - to answer a question I was posed the other day - is likely why I don't post on PHA much...

BTW this ^^^ is an answer to TightEnd's question hand, not sm's

cheers Sam

I got most of it right then!

don't spoil the reveal!

I'd say the paired flop makes our play look even stronger. River jam has to be put into the context that we have had a comedy dwell-call on the turn, so SM knows we aren't super strong.

However, he has had to call us to that point and I'm not convinced he's doing that will less than us very often.

Still folding.

Nit.

FTFY

Or that ;)

sammy mac might be a certified lunatic but he's also pretty sharp for value bets he's just as capable as vbetting really good here as he is to be bluffing, given the description of the player id say the frequency of his VB to BLUFF is weighted heavily towards VBs

exactly

That's an intelligent way of concurring, right?

yes!

I've had a few drinks, obv, but disagree with this for the simple reason that I expect Sammy Mac to be bluffing this river as played 100% of the time and he has more bluffs in his range than value hands.

+1 to wat on earth just c/f flop


now we've got this far and tried to play every street opposite you should probably call. if he has dem QQ okies nh don't see what else he raises turn/jams river with.




if peel peel c/r 44xfd is lots of mid pairs/fds, is sam raising turn with a bunch of Qx/AA type hands AND then jamming the fd river with them......

all very well saying good players will be wider for value than bluffs in bluffy spots but it's ridic joke hard to have a value hand on this texture and with this action. QQ or some kind of random 94 squeeze imo if we are beat.

I think c/f the flop is best in general. Defo calling pre with odds in a spot where a CL will likely empty the clip regardless in such a bubble spot and we can keep calling down.

As played river is a pretty easy call. I'd reckon Sam is bluffing this type player a ridiculously high amount of the time in this spot.

Sandhu is a player with a wide calling range in this hand. He is still hanging onto his 8-8 when everybody else folded like pre or on the flop. This Sam guy did a triple barrel on the same player just before and got called down with nothing. Sandhu has got top 5 stack. So don't see how this is a good spot to be bluffing. I would say value shove. I would also say Sandhu standing up and wincing on the turn before calling is fantastic.

Sandhu folds,leaving himself 400,000

Sam shows  8d 5d no pair no draw

Sandhu out three places later, Sam chops it for five figures.

85 is a gutshot right?

 oh yes. no pair, gutshot. lol.

how is it hard to have a value bet here? He 3bet pre-flop

AA/KK/QQ/JJ/TT/99/AKcc/AQcc pretty sure SammyMac would squeeze all these pf and the guy's only hands are 66 or 44 really that he raises the flop with other hands are bluffs and "mid-pairs finding out if he has an OP"

He could also have gotten a lil OOL pf, 64s 54s A4s, K4s, 44, 66 (not too liklely last two ofc) point is Sam has tons more combo's of value hands than his oppo

Sure he's going to be bluffing the river 100% when he gets there with air (speshly after the turn nonsense), but how many airballs is he ACTULLY 4betting cold pre-flop and taking this line with vs someone he knows to be a bit of a station on the bubble with a huge stack when he knows he can steal so many chips by on the bubble with his image/stack. Even Sam who loves to be a mental knows that a cold 4 bet here is prolly going to mean bombing a hge chunk of the stack off to win the hand and it's not the smartest thing.

I think he had  Ac Qc and he got called.

Dave - the "reveal" is at the top of the Page.

At least you quoted his post so he can't delete it

;)

Incidentally, just because his answer was wrong does not mean his logic was.

Especially as - he assures me - his conclusion was the same as mine.

Mine was just an English translation. The day I discuss "VB ranges"...

Haha wow! If i'm in that spot i give up trying to bluff haha. Sandhu will definitely never be folding anything ever again! :D

I think that was his first fold in 7 years :)

That's what happens when you don't have a plan for the hand or take into account what your opponents likely to do on later streets; you put half your stack in and the fold because it's for your tournament life. Oh Sandy!

Still risky on Sam's end. Another day he'll hero it off.

Did Sandu not show a  Qh?

lol Sammy Macaments.

A nice example of absolute face-rolling button bashing by both parties. WP everyone.

not trying to say anything other then it probavbly looks like o i just rolled accrtoss a keyboard but a loy more things happened at the table and vbetween us which ,afde me confident he was never calling in million years. It is right though, he did shoe  Qh which I obv was never trying to get him to fold if i knew he had it

A queen and 88 are essentially the same surely. Unless he folded AQ with the Ac or something.

Not really as I would be value jamming any 9 TT/JJ

The triple range merge :)