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Private cash game, The game is fairly splashy with 3-4 LAG players, who are competing in most pots together

Hero has a fair amount of history with the Villain in this particular hand, extremely loose and hangs on tight with any part of the board through later streets

the game is 8 handed, Hero is UTG with just over £800

Hero is dealt  3c 3d and raises to £12,

Hero's TAG image is rewarded with 5 callers, 2 of which are the blinds

Flop:  Th 9s 3h

Hero leads for £45, all fold apart from Villain in position who has me covered

Turn:   Tc

Hero leads for £85, Villain flats once again

River:  8d

Hero leads for £175, Villain thinks for a while and then announces all in

Hero?

calls and is pretty happy about it

Super happy about calling.

Yeah call. Most that beats you (except maybe T8) likely raises before now, and he probably still thinks QJ is golden

I agree with everyone, I think bet sizing is sweet as well on all streets :) If you think villain plays LAG badly and will stack off without a nutted range OTR a lot

this is always a call!

Apologise for slow rolling the guy, tell him you have a house of the fullest kind and that his 99/88/T9 is a good hand.  But that QJ does not win this time.

When the dealer ships the pot your way, giq and get another round in.

;)


This is most definitely a spot to say "AAaaaaaaarrrrrrrrriiiiinnnnnnnnnn!"

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i am definitely check/shoving the river. let villain bluff his busto draws (and there is a lot of them : hearts, kj, kq) and he could bet/calls hands he might just call a lead (QJ, Tx). dont think we loose too much value by him checking back 9x and 8x.

what are stack sizes btw? does he have you covered?
anyway theres no room for b/f'ing i think: theres too many busted draws, he could be value raising worse like QJ (v rarely overplay ingTx) and the range that has us beat is pretty narrow like 10ish combos - mite even be narrower if villain raises top2 and sets on the flop.

also, in such a game i am not opening 55- from EP. i limp/call them.

hmmmm i prolly fold.

the description doesnt really help us too much, you say he's extremely loose and hangs on tight, this just make him weak/passive or is he loose in the aggressive sense, also how is he thinking about the game as well in your opinion?

OTR you have all the boats aside from T3 and prolly 88 in your range (you can actually have 88 prolly mind) so if he is reading the game well he shouldn't be bluffing here because it's perfectly reasonable you'll have a hand to call with, by the same logic, he shouldn't be value-betting a great deal worse because you can have a better hand.

If he is loose/weak with some level of poker intelligence (a very stnd theme for live games of this nature) then I think it's prolly a fold, if he's loose/aggressive then I'll prolly call as I think he raises T9/TT/99 otf a decent amount and depending on the way he's reading the game could be value betting worse (not sure about that still)

I think vs generic live player you get in these games your line up to (and inc) the river bet is very good but it's prolly a fold.

I think I fold too, as you said villian likes to hang on to alota stuff and I dont expect him to try and bluff you off ur value range in this spot.

Would villain shove here with just the ten though?

I dont like folding full houses
So i would sigh call cos I am a station hope he has a ten or JQ

The Villain is extremely loose and aggressive preflop, tends to be more passive post flop, the Villain has been playing big cash games regularly for 2-3 years so is by no means a complete "rec". Has the ability to float, and can apply pressure in spots where he senses weakness.

George the Villain in question is Shaky, maybe you could help me with the description of his play other than maniacal

given villains description/line up, this type of reasoning shouldnt be applied. well be taking really suboptimal lines for any game <200nl level imo and i assume this live game ~ 50nl at best.

Tuesday game?

Will post thoughts later

Where's this game?

Private mate. Don't want u boys coming down 3 and 4 betting our recs

class :)

This hand occurred a couple of months ago, thought I would post it now, because it was an interesting spot which im still unsure of and it randomly popped into my head!
Before the creation of the Tuesday night game George.

in for next tuesday :P

Sure will

oioi

in my post I said it was entirely dependent on how we judge he is reading the game, most loose/passive live players will actually read poker very simplistically along these lines "best just call with my TEN, in case he has a better TEN or a full house" they aren't actually thinking in the terms "well he has all the better hands in his range so there is no value to raising" but that is actually what they are thinking.

If we don't think he is reading the game AT ALL then it's different but I don't like to assume people no nothing id prefer to give them some credit and be guilty of over-estimating them not under-estimating them as in my experience under estimating them is usually more expensive.

IMO this is a pretty clear, if annoying, bet/fold. I might not make the fold in game though unless I was super focussed and on my A game.