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Another small fine, UEFA?

Racist chants and the rest, in Serbia again

http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/connor-wickhams-goal-danny-roses-red-card-brawl-amid-racist-claims-england-u21-v-serbia-u21/

UEFA pay lip service to racism.  They aren't really interested in tackling the subject full on imo. 

that is a horrible video :(

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZZY9U1CdDs

10 year ban imo.

fs had to copy and paste cos your fail....

fixed.

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Shocking.

I'm glad England put those racist bastards out, just hope FIFA do the same until they learn to act like normal human beings.
Can't see it tho.

If every other team refuse to play them, there will be np

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/9614265/Englands-Danny-Rose-racists-threw-stones-at-my-head.-Serbia-have-to-be-banned.html

Sickening.
Are we getting no where as a species?

Jason Roberts says kick Kick It Out out.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19994204

I understand his frustrations, but not quite sure what stance he's taking by potentially not supporting 'Kick it Out'?  Although by boycotting them, he'll raise the profile of the campaign, so it will actually help in that way.

Why should Serbia be kicked out of world football for the conduct of their supporters, while Liverpool and Chelsea go unpunished for the racism of their players?

Good point but Serbia are repeat offenders.

Did they go unpunished?

I think you just like being controversial but anyway, do you really think these incidents you're referring too are remotely the same? You have hundreds if not thousands of fans monkey chanting at black players whilst also bombarding them with all sorts coins, chairs , stones etc  on the other hand you have name calling between rich footballers? I may have posted it here already but what happened in Serbia IMO makes a mockery of the name calling shenanigans that leads people to say Racism is rife in English football. Send Clark Carlisle and the likes over to Serbia to Kick Racism out.

Please stop replying to my posts, if there was an ignore on Blonde I would use it on you.

You continually try and troll me.

I will not be replying to anything you post again.

Continually? Let's not exaggerate here, I may have replied to you roughly 4 times in the 5 years I have been a member, hardly overdoing it am I?

How is it trolling either , to me It looks like you're trolling, You court the controversy there is no other explanation as to why you posted that drivel above, I don't believe you're that thick to believe what you posted. In fact I'm under the impression you're very shrewd.

I can't see what has upset you by my previous post, I just challenged your post, feel free to come back and tell me how my response was full of shyte if you like, or maybe elaborate on your original statement, that would be even better.

I believe the stance he is taking is against the middle class toss-pots who are involved in campaigns like Kick It Out and Show Racism the Red Card.

How long have these organisations been about, and what have they actually achieved given the money that is spent on them?

I'd say on the whole they're doing fairly well?


So they have an annual budget that accounts to about two weeks of John Terry's wages.

What do they actually do though?

For the most part they tend to sit on the fence and pussyfoot around the racists and the bigots because they don't want to offend them. 

I have been to many matches up and down the country and seen large numbers of people spout racist, bigoted, homophobic nonsense and seen stewards and police ignore it, when groups like Show Racism The Red Card, Nil By Mouth, FARE etc are contacted they pay lip service to it.  They never challenge it. 

One of the guys involved in one of these groups - I think his name is Pira Power, I have tried googling but can't seem to find him said Suarez should have been kicked out of football, yet claimed JT should not have been labelled a racist.  Wtf?

These groups need  hard working activists on the ground who are prepared to confront racism head on.  They also need help from the stewards and police at the games.  I know recently that in Aberdeen the NF and BNP were outside the ground trying to recruit members and this was never challenged by the authorities.   

It is not for 'Kick It Out' to be judge or jury though, they are in a really difficult position.

I would see their role in football as to merely raise awareness of racism.

Roberts interview is rather telling, not for what he says but who he does not mention. He is clearly hacked off beyond words with the FA and PL and unless 'Kick it out' can work in tandem with them, advising on punishments and individual cases then i guess he feels its pretty pointless.

sweet potata! I wouldn't worry bout camel 90% of his posts are classic troll'ivision, i like how he reversed it back on you...

...and what does any of that have to do with the 'Kick it Out' campaign?

Exactly that.  Something they have done fairly well at, it could be argued?

To be fair, the person who has done most to raise the issue of racism in football is John Terry.

This is just such a good post imo.

Well done to Rio Ferdinand too... again imho.

Kenwyn Jones of Stoke City also refused to wear the campaign's shirt yesterday, showing solidarity with Roberts and Ferdinand.  Ferguson verbally attacked Roberts, and has stated the club will deal with Ferdinand.  Surely if this is a democracy then the players should have the right to opt in and out of these campaigns. 

I wonder if Paolo Di Canio was wearing a "kick it out" t-shirt yesterday?

Everyone is aware of how much money is involved in football; the likes of Rooney, Tevez, Terry etc etc etc are all on 100-150k+ a week.

Kick it Out facts :

In season 2010-11 the organisation had an annual budget of £453,913

Hard to suggest that's not a bit of a joke with regards to a serious issue.

That makes no sense. The amount the players earn has nothing to do with how much money is needed to fund an anti-racism campaign.

What?? You work for somebody they issue a company directive that you are to do something (you are contracted to this company) and you disobey a direct order from your boss. Do you just turn around and tell your boss 'Sorry but it's a democracy"

If my boss ordered me to do something motivated by politics that was unrelated to my job I would tell him to go fuck himself.

Pretty confusing company directive for LFC employees. Here, wear this anti-racism t-shirt. Next week, here wear this Luis Suarez t-shirt.

Liverpool, Chelsea and Swindon were the ones that jumped out at me given some of their employees.

This anti-racism campaign has had orders of magnitude more exposure this year that every other year - they should organise a boycott every year.

You could even say it was 'planned'...

Not really, the players chose to wear Suarez t-shirts.

90% is a bit harsh but he does have previous for luring goats across bridges.

You don't think it's relevant how much money is involved in the game in comparison to that budget ?

Clubs say that this is an important issue to them, if so why don't they help towards the budget since it's a miniscule amount in comparsion ?

Players say that it's a very important issue to them, if so then why don't they give 10% of one weeks wage a year, that would increase the budget ten fold ?

Does anybody else see a problem with KIO being, in part, funded by the Premier League?

To quote Kin:

In the season 2010/11, the organisation had an annual budget of £453,913

Of that, £330,000 came from the Football Association, the Premier League and the Professional Footballers' Association

Kick it out and the other organisations aren't the problem.

Until attitudes change about how people should behave on and off the pitch, it will only ever have a small impact.

That sounds twee. What I mean is that most right thinking folk find abhorrent things abhorrent. The difficulty is how far you go in the company of others to say "No. That's out of order".

Chappie who ran onto the pitch to push Chris Kirkland in the face will get out of prison in a couple of months and will likely not need to buy a drink in his local that night.

FWIW, I've not seen many people drink ten pints of cider, however much vodka and whatever else his solicitors informed the court he'd drunk before the match and run with such ease and alacrity. But if he did and has absolutely no memory of doing it, as he said, so be it.

Players are commodities far above employees, so I have to disagree with Royal Flush's comparison (although perhaps only made loosely). It means that clubs are quick to protect - vocally, often - their assets, however negatively some people view that.

This isn't new but publicity and spotlight have exacerbated the problem.

I don't think it reflects badly on Ferdinand or Roberts. I think it should make the sport consider why there remains such discontentment with the Terry and Suarez cases.

Everything in all these respects seems to be better than it ever has been, that said.

Suspended at home for racial abuse - Chelsea captain abroad tonight, with an anti-racism armband. Tonight must be the nadir in the John Terry saga.

Who is Nadir, and are you sure he's a friend of Terry's?

Hodgson's selection of Terry for the Euro's will be a blot on his England Managerial career for a long time.

I'm slightly confused by all this.  I went to football in the early 80s, and in my opinion there have been huge strides made in the fight against racism.  I think the kick it out  campaign has been largely successful myself, especially when you compare it to many other European countries. 

I don't know why the Ferdinands are so upset.  Terry was charged in a criminal court of law, and then charged by the FA under civil rules after that.  He is mostly despised and thought of as a racist even though he can point to the fact he was found not guilty in court.

I'm not sure what else the Ferdinands think should have been done in this situation?

"For the most part they tend to sit on the fence and pussyfoot around the racists and the bigots because they don't want to offend them.  "

The whole aim of kick it out, is surely to educate and to change the way society perceives racism.  I would say that in the rare cases where someone is racist in public, 95% of people are disgusted and think it is completely unacceptable.  I think there has been significant progress in this regard.  You are never going to get rid of every idiot.  But it would be unthinkable for an entire stand of people to make racist comments/gestures at a player in this country now.

There are still battles to be fought against isolated cases, but I think the war has been won in terms of how the vast majority think and behave.

This, this and this.

How many of the people on here have been involved in direct action against racists? 

What have you done at your football club when there have been problems with racists?

The war has not been won my any stretch of the imagination, the problems may not be as bad now as it were in the 80's, but their are stlll major issues.

There have been huge strides. How much of it is down to KIO? Very little imho. A lot more is down to clubs changing their policies and their crowd demographics. Rio Ferdinand has always been one of the most proactive anti-racism players in the league. Long prior to what happened to Anton. KIO are mostly reactive.

I would imagine when your little brother is racially abused and then one of the chair persons of one of the larger anti-racism organisations comes out and says John Terry isn't racist (the same man who called an Asian fan a coconut earlier this year - look it up if you don't understand the reference) you may be losing a little bit of faith in the organisations you're told you must support.

When the FA need someone to condone them FARE/KIO are there. When a player/club needs condemning they speak out. Unfortunately the week in week out incidents are rarely reported the same way.

I am not convinced Rio wasn't selected this summer for the issues with Terry, but a lot of people think it's exactly why he wasn't picked. Where were KIO then? Would they dare go up against their chief bankrollers?

The organisation is something that is a lovely idea. Unfortunately, they don't do a lot.

"How many of the people on here have been involved in direct action against racists? 
What have you done at your football club when there have been problems with racists?"

Completely missing the point.  The fact is that racist thoughts don't even cross many people's minds anymore.  20 years of awareness and education have changed the mindset of the football fan collective, where it was once tolerated for one player to be insulted by the morons just because "he is playing against us".  Now most people would find this abhorrent.

I have to say I haven't heard a racist comment from anyone in the stands for the last 5 years. 

You are never going to eliminate the tiny minority who live in the dark ages.  Most of these people are fat skinheads from the 80's in any case so will die out like the dinosaurs they are.

"There have been huge strides. How much of it is down to KIO? Very little imho. A lot more is down to clubs changing their policies and their crowd demographics."

The output of their work is hard to quantify.  The change in demographic obviously helps, but a large number of factors have helped of which KOI is one of them. 

Agree there. I just don't think the landscape would be much different without them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/20036000