Carnage in Serbia

[ScottMGee]

Why should Serbia be kicked out of world football for the conduct of their supporters, while Liverpool and Chelsea go unpunished for the racism of their players?

Good point but Serbia are repeat offenders.

[kinboshi]

Why should Serbia be kicked out of world football for the conduct of their supporters, while Liverpool and Chelsea go unpunished for the racism of their players?

Did they go unpunished?

[sweet potata!]

Why should Serbia be kicked out of world football for the conduct of their supporters, while Liverpool and Chelsea go unpunished for the racism of their players?

I think you just like being controversial but anyway, do you really think these incidents you're referring too are remotely the same? You have hundreds if not thousands of fans monkey chanting at black players whilst also bombarding them with all sorts coins, chairs , stones etc  on the other hand you have name calling between rich footballers? I may have posted it here already but what happened in Serbia IMO makes a mockery of the name calling shenanigans that leads people to say Racism is rife in English football. Send Clark Carlisle and the likes over to Serbia to Kick Racism out.

[The Camel]

Why should Serbia be kicked out of world football for the conduct of their supporters, while Liverpool and Chelsea go unpunished for the racism of their players?

I think you just like being controversial but anyway, do you really think these incidents you're referring too are remotely the same? You have hundreds if not thousands of fans monkey chanting at black players whilst also bombarding them with all sorts coins, chairs , stones etc  on the other hand you have name calling between rich footballers? I may have posted it here already but what happened in Serbia IMO makes a mockery of the name calling shenanigans that leads people to say Racism is rife in English football. Send Clark Carlisle and the likes over to Serbia to Kick Racism out.

Please stop replying to my posts, if there was an ignore on Blonde I would use it on you.

You continually try and troll me.

I will not be replying to anything you post again.

[sweet potata!]

Continually? Let's not exaggerate here, I may have replied to you roughly 4 times in the 5 years I have been a member, hardly overdoing it am I?

How is it trolling either , to me It looks like you're trolling, You court the controversy there is no other explanation as to why you posted that drivel above, I don't believe you're that thick to believe what you posted. In fact I'm under the impression you're very shrewd.

I can't see what has upset you by my previous post, I just challenged your post, feel free to come back and tell me how my response was full of shyte if you like, or maybe elaborate on your original statement, that would be even better.

[AceHighSuited]

Jason Roberts says kick Kick It Out out.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19994204

I understand his frustrations, but not quite sure what stance he's taking by potentially not supporting 'Kick it Out'?  Although by boycotting them, he'll raise the profile of the campaign, so it will actually help in that way.

I believe the stance he is taking is against the middle class toss-pots who are involved in campaigns like Kick It Out and Show Racism the Red Card.

How long have these organisations been about, and what have they actually achieved given the money that is spent on them?

[kinboshi]

Jason Roberts says kick Kick It Out out.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19994204

I understand his frustrations, but not quite sure what stance he's taking by potentially not supporting 'Kick it Out'?  Although by boycotting them, he'll raise the profile of the campaign, so it will actually help in that way.

I believe the stance he is taking is against the middle class toss-pots who are involved in campaigns like Kick It Out and Show Racism the Red Card.

How long have these organisations been about, and what have they actually achieved given the money that is spent on them?

I'd say on the whole they're doing fairly well?

    Kick Racism out of Football began in 1993

    It became the more wide ranging anti-discrimination body Kick It Out in 1997

    Its first Kick It Out week of action was held in 2001

    In the season 2010/11, the organisation had an annual budget of £453,913

    Of that, £330,000 came from the Football Association, the Premier League and the Professional Footballers' Association

    It employs seven staff

So they have an annual budget that accounts to about two weeks of John Terry's wages.

[AceHighSuited]

What do they actually do though?

For the most part they tend to sit on the fence and pussyfoot around the racists and the bigots because they don't want to offend them. 

I have been to many matches up and down the country and seen large numbers of people spout racist, bigoted, homophobic nonsense and seen stewards and police ignore it, when groups like Show Racism The Red Card, Nil By Mouth, FARE etc are contacted they pay lip service to it.  They never challenge it. 

One of the guys involved in one of these groups - I think his name is Pira Power, I have tried googling but can't seem to find him said Suarez should have been kicked out of football, yet claimed JT should not have been labelled a racist.  Wtf?

These groups need  hard working activists on the ground who are prepared to confront racism head on.  They also need help from the stewards and police at the games.  I know recently that in Aberdeen the NF and BNP were outside the ground trying to recruit members and this was never challenged by the authorities.   

[Acidmouse]

It is not for 'Kick It Out' to be judge or jury though, they are in a really difficult position.

I would see their role in football as to merely raise awareness of racism.

Roberts interview is rather telling, not for what he says but who he does not mention. He is clearly hacked off beyond words with the FA and PL and unless 'Kick it out' can work in tandem with them, advising on punishments and individual cases then i guess he feels its pretty pointless.

sweet potata! I wouldn't worry bout camel 90% of his posts are classic troll'ivision, i like how he reversed it back on you...

[kinboshi]

What do they actually do though?

For the most part they tend to sit on the fence and pussyfoot around the racists and the bigots because they don't want to offend them. 

I have been to many matches up and down the country and seen large numbers of people spout racist, bigoted, homophobic nonsense and seen stewards and police ignore it, when groups like Show Racism The Red Card, Nil By Mouth, FARE etc are contacted they pay lip service to it.  They never challenge it. 

One of the guys involved in one of these groups - I think his name is Pira Power, I have tried googling but can't seem to find him said Suarez should have been kicked out of football, yet claimed JT should not have been labelled a racist.  Wtf?

These groups need  hard working activists on the ground who are prepared to confront racism head on.  They also need help from the stewards and police at the games.  I know recently that in Aberdeen the NF and BNP were outside the ground trying to recruit members and this was never challenged by the authorities.   

...and what does any of that have to do with the 'Kick it Out' campaign?

[kinboshi]

It is not for 'Kick It Out' to be judge or jury though, they are in a really difficult position.

I would see their role in football as to merely raise awareness of racism.

Roberts interview is rather telling, not for what he says but who he does not mention. He is clearly hacked off beyond words with the FA and PL and unless 'Kick it out' can work in tandem with them, advising on punishments and individual cases then i guess he feels its pretty pointless.

sweet potata! I wouldn't worry bout camel 90% of his posts are classic troll'ivision, i like how he reversed it back on you...

Exactly that.  Something they have done fairly well at, it could be argued?

[AndrewT]

To be fair, the person who has done most to raise the issue of racism in football is John Terry.

[The Baron]

What do they actually do though?

For the most part they tend to sit on the fence and pussyfoot around the racists and the bigots because they don't want to offend them. 

I have been to many matches up and down the country and seen large numbers of people spout racist, bigoted, homophobic nonsense and seen stewards and police ignore it, when groups like Show Racism The Red Card, Nil By Mouth, FARE etc are contacted they pay lip service to it.  They never challenge it. 

One of the guys involved in one of these groups - I think his name is Pira Power, I have tried googling but can't seem to find him said Suarez should have been kicked out of football, yet claimed JT should not have been labelled a racist.  Wtf?

These groups need  hard working activists on the ground who are prepared to confront racism head on.  They also need help from the stewards and police at the games.  I know recently that in Aberdeen the NF and BNP were outside the ground trying to recruit members and this was never challenged by the authorities.   

This is just such a good post imo.

Well done to Rio Ferdinand too... again imho.

[AceHighSuited]

Kenwyn Jones of Stoke City also refused to wear the campaign's shirt yesterday, showing solidarity with Roberts and Ferdinand.  Ferguson verbally attacked Roberts, and has stated the club will deal with Ferdinand.  Surely if this is a democracy then the players should have the right to opt in and out of these campaigns. 

I wonder if Paolo Di Canio was wearing a "kick it out" t-shirt yesterday?

[mondatoo]

Everyone is aware of how much money is involved in football; the likes of Rooney, Tevez, Terry etc etc etc are all on 100-150k+ a week.

Kick it Out facts :

In season 2010-11 the organisation had an annual budget of £453,913

Hard to suggest that's not a bit of a joke with regards to a serious issue.