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Got placed on hyper tilt last night, think the guy was well OOL but he literally did not see any problem.

Playing a £10/£20/£10 self deal till final standard casino tournament.  Myself and the guy in question had played together on the Wednesday passed, and the Wednesday previous to that.  As well as being in the casino multiple nights in between.

I regularly deal at the is casino and have done at all self deal casinos I have ever entered in multiple countries.  I have done so for 12 years and barring the first year of mis flops and errors never really heard a bad word.  I admit my shuffling is not orthodox but its quick and I get a lot of hands per hour which I think is the most important thing for tubro one day comp level.  My bet counting, pitching etc are pretty much spot on. (also for those that know me, I had only had 1 pint at this point)

I get high carded at break when I am not there. I start dealing.  Probably done less than a 25 minute level when the guy says on my SB.  I can deal when it gets round to your button if you like? I reply, "its no problem, I dont mind dealing".  He says "its just you are not shuffling the cards properly"

What do you do in this spot?  slam the cards down and give him them.  Or deal all night out of spite and try and shuffle worse.  Personally I think his question awful and embarressed me on a table full of players who I play with regularly.  If it was a real concern of his. Perhaps he could have had a quiet word at a break as clearly we will share a table again and again in the future!

I think he was concerned by a couple of KK and AA flops.  FWIW I didnt deal myself one winning hand while dealing, so cheating wasnt the issue.

How is your shuffling not orthodox? What do you do?

this is the key to this in self deal tournaments i hate not dealing as it tilits me getting 5 hands per hour but on the other hand it would also tilit me if thedeck was not sufficiently shuffled

I give the cards a full spread over the table, gather, do a split pack merge a few times (my own way, not the usual), then a couple of small cuts, and a big cut.  It is pretty quick.  Speed was not his issue.  In the hand for hand section on Wed he dealt other table and I was faster than him

As said never had an issue before, infact many people like my dealing cause its fast and suggest it

What is your way?

What did he say when you asked him what was wrong with your shuffling?

I would turn around to that guy and shake him by the hand. Then when the button passes I would order a mocha latte sit back and play some poker. Working as a dealer at the casino for no money isn't worth getting protective over imo.

This

Yeah, never really expected to be writing it under a Mantis post but.... This

I want to say 'this'.. But I get uber tilted when people deal badly.

I dont know what the problem with your dealing is, but id show him that you're dealing and shuffling the cards 'enough' then show him the cuts, and ask him what else he thinks is missing?

Really unsure what to do, probably have a quiet word with the TD and get him moved on his next BB???

If nobody else cares about your dealing then dont worry about it but I think he handled it fine.  Its annoying when someone complains about the dealer in self-deal, but then isnt willing to go in and deal themselves.  Move over, put your feet up and critique his dealing for any small thing you can find

When I'm playing in self-deal comps all I'm trying to do is ensure that I'm not dealing and that I am able to engineer some form of drinking game for the table....

Mantis has it about spot on though, other than the latte obviously :D

I wouldn't worry about it at all mate. Funnily enough you do tend to get the odd douchebag here and there in these establishments.

Yup!

Agree with Mantis, if he's going to be rude then let him deal, other alternative is to tell him to go fuck himself but like the big M to the AN to the TIS says it's just not worth being in any aggravating situation over.

Get 900 (£9) reward points for doing it here.

Why don't you all just take turns in dealing?

You haven't done self-deal for a while, have you? Except maybe with switched-on types who know what they're doing.

A lot of them shuffle the deck, shuffle some more, a bit more shuffling, shuffle again, cut, cut again, shuffle, shuffle, shuffle, shuffle, another cut or two and off they go. Nearly a minute has passed since they started shuffling til they start dealing. Oh, it's a misdeal (which happens a lot more when dealing from one end to the other) - that means they think it is necessary to start the whole process all over again.

This is the most tilting thing ever.

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Chris you're usually too pissed to sit up straight, all by yourself.

Next time you're down please demonstrate these new found multi-tasking skills.

The words Scotsman, pint glass, chair, card deck, table, and upright are rarely seen together in the same sentence, especially when describing you.

(Oh, by the way stick the head on the bampot that hates your dealing)

Yea, everybody dealing is a hideous debacle.

Remember this guy doing a normal face down shimmy shuffle but then couldn't gather the cards back into a pack again, so he started picking up each card individually. Then when he went to do a standard shuffle the deck just exploded over the table and he had to pick up each card individually again. Then he stood there awkwardly stooped over trying to flick each card up the table with most landing face up to cries of misdeal from everybody not holding a face card. Dude just stood there with red face, cacking himself, then started from shimmy shuffle again. Half hour later it moves on to next guy who looks about to burst into tears.

Getting all players to deal is like making bears dance, it's not natural and kinda awkward. Even without the tempting £9 on offer I'm taking the hotseat rather than endure that level of cruelty.

I deliberately quoted I only had one pint! I wil be down for Sky Poker thingmybob, perhaps you can teach me?

I did just pass over, just thought it pretty out of line.  And for extra tilt the swap put me straight from Button into BB. Sighhhhhh every time anyone questioned anything he did, I did make a point of saying "come on now, he is trying his best, its rude to criticise the dealer" I was off tilt in about 3 levels time! and I think I managed to counter tilt him

One thing that does annoy me about self dealing is that the dealer does the final cut.  The button should always do a final cut imo.  

Oh god no. There's few enough hands per hour as it is without having to do this.

It should take about 2 seconds.  You do know people cheat?

If you doubt the dealer's intentions then deal yourself?

If you think there's cheating going on then mention something to the TD or simply don't play that game anymore.

I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people can't rig a card shuffle...

sigh

A self dealer was constantly dealing the burn card before the flop was dealt.  A friend of mine pointed out that the purpose of the burn card was to prevent anyone getting an advantage if the first card on the flop was marked.  The self dealer immediately said "are you saying I'm marking the cards".

Your comment is on a par to this.

People cheat and angle-shoot at cards.  Anyone who thinks they don't is a mug.  I'd rather use my mental energy on playing poker rather than caring about it.  The casinos that run self-deal competitions should make some effort to minimise any opportunities for suspect behaviour by insisting on basic procedures.

Just employ dealers

/thread.

I'm so happy I haven't played self-deal for a good few years now other than in home games - and even then, it's worth investing in a dealer...

tell that to every casino in scotland.......

One casino brought in dealers and upped the reg fee's, people complained, they got rid of them

How much did the fee go upto over the standard juice?  It depends on the buy in obviously but if say for example I was playing a £40 game I wouldn't want to pay 20% juice just to get a dealer. 

I think a standard session fee should be set regardless of the level of buy-in that was fair that would cover the dealers.   

I may be out of line but I think part of the problem is for many card rooms they are pretty terrible at forecasting numbers in turn they struggle to cover the number of staff and therefore budget poorly.  Also what I have found in casinos across Scotland and England is they start poker tournaments at the wrong times and this impacts budgeting for staff hours. 

I remember years ago there used to be dealer schools to train staff up,they used to have them in the casino when they were closed learning the ropes, I don't think these run as often because many casinos are now 24 hours, but with the popularity of poker it would make more sense to start the trainees out dealing poker, this way they get a grasp of dealing with public, math involved etc and I am pretty sure it becomes easier to move them onto other games. 

btw I only skimmed the thread so not sure what entire debate was about but I think its easier to either nominate a dealer at the table to deal all night or high card and deal a round each and the dealer should be in charge of everything none of this passing cards to the button or to the left to cut etc its a nonsense.

How so?

I simply suggested that, given the choice between allowing someone else I didn't trust to deal or dealing myself I'd deal myself.

Casinos that run self-deal games should make every effort to monitor the tables.

+1

Cant remember last time i drove to a casino for a self deal game. 

Learnt something new reading this thread, didn't realise they still had self dealt poker in UK :)

I played a £50 1 rb 1add on satellite for UKIPT Newcastle. Paid £10 reg fee for the privilege of dealing it too...

Anything £50 up I'd expect a dealer.

But I don't have a problem with self deal in lower buyin comps. For something like say a £15 f/o I'd rather it was self deal than pay extra juice for a dealer.

You could've had any choice of a free drink you wanted though :P

A bottle of macallan wouldn't have compensated me for that evening.

Most casino tournaments rake 10-12% right? so £20 freezeout is usually 4-5£ juice? You would pay an extra £3 to have a trained dealer dealing to you?

20% seems ridic though I agree, still i'd rather 20% with dealers tha 12% without, 15% juice with dealers seems like an absolute snap to me.

Blatant I virtually only play in Vegas brag IMO

When you off next m8??

December 5th in time for the rodeo finals :)

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The best self dealers I ever came across are a group of Chinese kids in Hull. They are faster, more accurate, quicker at side pots and particually split pots in DC games than anyone else I ever saw.  They would always deal the self deal games in hull which saved a lot of ballache.

Dealing is an art form and a close 2nd to those Chinese guys would be the original Dtd guys who were trained by the French Lady. I want to call her Matilda but I'm pretty sure that ain't right.

"Matilde" if I recall correctly.

Self dealt casino cash games seem like a really terrible idea.

I remember dealing for the cash game in Leeds Gala when I was like 18 lol used to get tipped could make like £20 an hour in  tips! Always straight onto your stack and then you'd snap lose it though so I guess it doesn't matter too much :D

oh almost correct then. What a lovely woman. Dtd have employed some wonderfull people and she was one of the best.

Dave the £20 an hour would not include tips would it? I've known some dealers make £5/600 on a good night. Crazy to know that amount of money can go off the table in one night

Where's the jar? I'll put my quid in it :)

You;re thinking good trained dealers dealing games, this was just a self dealt cash game where whoever dealt for 90 min periods would get thrown the odd £1 or £2 thrown after some pots wasn't official or anything, remember we're in Leeds where everyone is tighter than a nun's tightly shut cupboard door.

Yh you're right, it's staggering to think, i prefer not to :P at least in the UK there is slighty less blatently obvious dealer theft lol I've seen games in  America where dealers have more obviously than anything just picked $1k chips out of the pot and put them in their pocket.

:D