Self Deal Ettiquette

[AceHighSuited]

Just employ dealers

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tell that to every casino in scotland.......

One casino brought in dealers and upped the reg fee's, people complained, they got rid of them

How much did the fee go upto over the standard juice?  It depends on the buy in obviously but if say for example I was playing a £40 game I wouldn't want to pay 20% juice just to get a dealer. 

I think a standard session fee should be set regardless of the level of buy-in that was fair that would cover the dealers.   

I may be out of line but I think part of the problem is for many card rooms they are pretty terrible at forecasting numbers in turn they struggle to cover the number of staff and therefore budget poorly.  Also what I have found in casinos across Scotland and England is they start poker tournaments at the wrong times and this impacts budgeting for staff hours. 

I remember years ago there used to be dealer schools to train staff up,they used to have them in the casino when they were closed learning the ropes, I don't think these run as often because many casinos are now 24 hours, but with the popularity of poker it would make more sense to start the trainees out dealing poker, this way they get a grasp of dealing with public, math involved etc and I am pretty sure it becomes easier to move them onto other games. 

[AceHighSuited]

btw I only skimmed the thread so not sure what entire debate was about but I think its easier to either nominate a dealer at the table to deal all night or high card and deal a round each and the dealer should be in charge of everything none of this passing cards to the button or to the left to cut etc its a nonsense.

[david3103]

One thing that does annoy me about self dealing is that the dealer does the final cut.  The button should always do a final cut imo. 

Oh god no. There's few enough hands per hour as it is without having to do this.

It should take about 2 seconds.  You do know people cheat?

If you doubt the dealer's intentions then deal yourself?

sigh

A self dealer was constantly dealing the burn card before the flop was dealt.  A friend of mine pointed out that the purpose of the burn card was to prevent anyone getting an advantage if the first card on the flop was marked.  The self dealer immediately said "are you saying I'm marking the cards".

Your comment is on a par to this.

People cheat and angle-shoot at cards.  Anyone who thinks they don't is a mug.  I'd rather use my mental energy on playing poker rather than caring about it.  The casinos that run self-deal competitions should make some effort to minimise any opportunities for suspect behaviour by insisting on basic procedures.

How so?

I simply suggested that, given the choice between allowing someone else I didn't trust to deal or dealing myself I'd deal myself.

Casinos that run self-deal games should make every effort to monitor the tables.

[duncthehat]

I'm so happy I haven't played self-deal for a good few years now other than in home games - and even then, it's worth investing in a dealer...

+1

Cant remember last time i drove to a casino for a self deal game. 

[redsimon]

Learnt something new reading this thread, didn't realise they still had self dealt poker in UK

[david3103]

Learnt something new reading this thread, didn't realise they still had self dealt poker in UK

I played a £50 1 rb 1add on satellite for UKIPT Newcastle. Paid £10 reg fee for the privilege of dealing it too...

[Cf]

Anything £50 up I'd expect a dealer.

But I don't have a problem with self deal in lower buyin comps. For something like say a £15 f/o I'd rather it was self deal than pay extra juice for a dealer.

[mondatoo]

Learnt something new reading this thread, didn't realise they still had self dealt poker in UK

I played a £50 1 rb 1add on satellite for UKIPT Newcastle. Paid £10 reg fee for the privilege of dealing it too...

You could've had any choice of a free drink you wanted though

[david3103]

Learnt something new reading this thread, didn't realise they still had self dealt poker in UK

I played a £50 1 rb 1add on satellite for UKIPT Newcastle. Paid £10 reg fee for the privilege of dealing it too...

You could've had any choice of a free drink you wanted though

A bottle of macallan wouldn't have compensated me for that evening.

[SuuPRlim]

It depends on the buy in obviously but if say for example I was playing a £40 game I wouldn't want to pay 20% juice just to get a dealer. 

Most casino tournaments rake 10-12% right? so £20 freezeout is usually 4-5£ juice? You would pay an extra £3 to have a trained dealer dealing to you?

20% seems ridic though I agree, still i'd rather 20% with dealers tha 12% without, 15% juice with dealers seems like an absolute snap to me.

[duncthehat]

Learnt something new reading this thread, didn't realise they still had self dealt poker in UK

Blatant I virtually only play in Vegas brag IMO

When you off next m8??

[redsimon]

December 5th in time for the rodeo finals

[tikay]

Why don't you all just take turns in dealing?

This is the most tilting thing ever.

.........!

[smashedagain]

The best self dealers I ever came across are a group of Chinese kids in Hull. They are faster, more accurate, quicker at side pots and particually split pots in DC games than anyone else I ever saw.  They would always deal the self deal games in hull which saved a lot of ballache.

Dealing is an art form and a close 2nd to those Chinese guys would be the original Dtd guys who were trained by the French Lady. I want to call her Matilda but I'm pretty sure that ain't right.

[tikay]

The best self dealers I ever came across are a group of Chinese kids in Hull. They are faster, more accurate, quicker at side pots and particually split pots in DC games than anyone else I ever saw.  They would always deal the self deal games in hull which saved a lot of ballache.

Dealing is an art form and a close 2nd to those Chinese guys would be the original Dtd guys who were trained by the French Lady. I want to call her Matilda but I'm pretty sure that ain't right.

"Matilde" if I recall correctly.