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Playing a 2/2 dc game, early on in the night so not sitting deep

5 card omaha is picked table is full 8 handed

couple limpers round to us and we have     Ks Qs Js Jc 9c. We call the 2.

Button is a very tough omaha player life and online. He checks as does the BB

Flop comes  2s 4s Tc

BB checks, 1st limper bets 10 2nd limper calls.

We are playing 88 behind, whats our play?

Fold?

I'm just peeling here.

10 times deeper I'd peel obv

Clear fold... FWIW Camel, this would be an even clearer fold with 10 times deeper money.

With a view to hitting what on the turn?

8 out of 10 I think I have to fold here. There's only 1 of 3 cards (J J As) that you really want to see. If you turn the flush or a straight draw are you prepared to put the rest of your chips in?

2 out of 10 I'm calling depending on how long I've been playing and whether I fancy a gamble to recover some losses.

Any decent nit folds here.

Except that........in the early stages of this particular game, (& readless) when everyone sits very shallow, we do tend to say "to hell with it, I only have £100 behind, let's gamble".

I actually think, as played, I'm folding whatever stage of the game, but definitely late on, when we are all sitting with a lot of cash on the Table.

Who were the other players in the hand, Jim? There are a few who I'd call.

What a playerrrrrr 

Player that leads the flop is an old school pro, im sure that you and Keith will of know him for many years Mr P.A.   The caller is a rotund millionaire spewtard.

Ahh, I see.....

Well that complicates it.

PA is almost certainly at it, I  may have to accommodate him. I really enjoy playing with him, actually.

Not sure if I know the rotund millionaire?

Glad you posted this Jim, more of the same please.

By the way I don't think I play this hand very well I have posted it due to the dynamic it played out in.

Yes, I make a bad play and call the flop.

Their are a lot of good draw cards for us on the turn. Anything from an 8 to a king looks good for us. Diamond might be good. Spade we need to see what happens with the action.

Yes, I much prefer NOT to hit our spade.

So are we playing this like a bluff (with backup plan of hitting a jack or As and getting paid), on the basis that:

1.PA is "at it" and will fold if we show strength on turn and river; and
2. Rotund millionaire (who looked as though he had been poured into his clothes but had forgotten to say 'when'*) is drawing and so we can bet him off his hand if no spade comes

?

*sorry. Just reminded me of something PG Wodehouse would have written

Turn is the 8s

PA bets £40. Rotund calls. We have. £78 left facing £40 bet

At this point, stick it in. I'd fold the flop though

You've called to hit the flush so get it in. With more behind I just call but with what you've got behind it all goes in.

Obviously knowing the players makes a huge difference to the play.

100% raise pre-flop (Stu will disagree with me prolly) on the flop this is a totally mandatory fold, this should never be a call, 10x deeper if you had some reads you could consider raising as a bluff but with the stacks as they are calling is the absolute worst play possible you HAVE to fold.

Multi-c ard omaha is a game of big cards/high pairs/nut draws - you have none of these.

Dave is still out drinking after a 48 hour bender ... and still manages to make a fully coherent PHA post!!

Well the T is a key card and gives us loads of combo-draws plus a b/d fd.

In this kind of game early on don't we want to get our ~£80 in multi-way and get a stack?

Even if the turn is a sp our Kxx holding is ever so slightly more likely to be good due to being 3x.

I really don't think that peeling £10 from an £88 stack can be that bad in this spot.

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I am also 100% raising pre with this hand after limps.

If you are just punting around at the beginning of the game, to get the show on the road etc... well that is a different matter entirely.

I'd also very often raise preflop, and definitely if we are punting around at the beginning of a session.

FOLD!

Hi Stu,

Well that is nail on head, because, as I mentioned earlier, we DO splash around (well we do in this game) at the start when we are all sitting very shallow, just to sort of rev the game up.

So at THIS stage, yeah, it's a pure gamble, but later, when sitting deep, we are folding on the flop.

Really pleased Jim posted this, because it proves, if proof were needed, that there is rarely a one size fits all answer to these things.

It would be really neat if you ever found yourself down Luton way, we could have a grand DC session. And no doubt I'd get schooled. Like, you know, proper schooled.

Stu runs bad you'll be ok teacake :)

when playing at Dtd Dave, how would you describe your style of play in the cash games. I imagine you are laggy and down there to have fun.

Obv could be wrong :)

Fucking amazing.

lol. Almost as amazing as this?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

I heard medium-weak.

:D

Well as stated earlier i dont think i played this hand very well at all but here comes the reason i posted this hand.

So we have hit our flush. With 78 left and facing a bet and call in front of us obv the ideal situation is that PA is betting with the bare ace and rotund has 2 pr or set.

I decided to just flat call, with only 38 behind decided to see if it pairs the river and no point pushing PA out if he only has the bare ace.

River card comes down  6s so now thats 4 spades on board and we have 3 spades in our hand.

PA now bets out the pot 160 and rotund quickly calls.

So the decision is now on us what do we do with our remaining 38. 236 in the middle. Can rotund have a flush as well? straight flush is possible for PA now but rotund obv raises if he has it.

you have the best hand hardly ever but that being said you've come this far lol so i'd never fold, just make em show you it.

Your mistake was on the flop - going all in would have been way way better than calling. Turn and river are just meh you have the second nuts and not much money behind but this is why you shouldnt call the flop

Snap for me.

No point in calling the turn and folding now with that river and the ensuing action.

Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.

^^^^^^^^^^
I agree.
I wish more people would post live PLO hands.

can we be winning now, how often are we winning?

what can rotund have? is he calling with a set hoping PA has the bare ace even with me being so short and can win a decent side pot.

Can rotund have a flush as well increasing our chances of having the best hand.

i agree we havent played the hand well but with our remaining stack we are never folding, would these be still the same case with 60,80 or 100 behind?

Help an ice cream out: if you call, what are you beating?

Looks like calling is just another mistake to me.

Well 2 people are in the pot in front of us and we have the 2nd nuts so we must 100% be beating rotund. The pot is now big enough that PA will be potting the river here with the bare ace sometimes and for our remaining stack we will be right often enough that we must make this call.

After all we know what we have and we know that rotund doesnt believe PA has it. We dont disbelieve PA from having the nuts here but we know sometimes he will be at it.

In 4/5/6 omaha people bluff with bare ace and blockers more than in normal 4 card omaha.

OK. Thanks

Calling the river here is 100% a mistake imo, PA has to have it a LOT of the time - sure he'll be bluffing once every so often but it's w/e youre getting 8/1 i'd just flick the £35 in a be fully expecting to reload for the next hand, it can never be that bad calling.

Like I said the mistake was the flop call, and that mistake has been compounded throughout the hand and put you in spots to make more (albeit smaller) mistakes, if you're deeper then this is a great spot to raise the flop, if you get three-bet you have no real hand so can merrily fold, your spade draw/running striaght draws and overpair gives you SOME equity and you might get naked NFD to call one/fold turn or you MIGHT even get a hand like naked bottom set to fold, or be able to bluff 2p off on scary turn cards etc but it's NOT a spot to ever be calling.

<3 lil dave fking hilarious

Isn't it about time for the reveal Jim?

Sorry I always forget this part.

PA had  Aspades Ts for the nuts. We just had 2nd 3rd and 4th nuts. God only knows what rotund had.

I found out later that they had a history and rotund just wanted to bust PA, both are millionaires.

I assume that MM knows who "PA" is?

If it's not Patrick Antonius, no.

Paul Anka?

He seems to have his own style.

(This could run and run...)

He is a former LNP original.

Oh actually Tal has just jogged my memory and I think I do know now.

Really wasn't trying to be helpful!

Guessed it would have been the LNP "PA" but thought there would be plenty of mileage in alternative PAs.

Paul Allen was my next

Peter Andre crossed my mind briefly

Peter Aliss

Paul Askin

Pamela Anderson