Title: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 03, 2013, 06:33:27 PM Remarkable footage of his reaction to racist chanting being shown on Sky.
Picks up the ball, launches it in the direction of the offending section, then walks off the pitch in protest. Fair play to him. UEFA's efforts to address the problem were clearly woeful based on the 'punishment' dished out to Serbia recently. Thoughts? Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: DungBeetle on January 03, 2013, 06:41:11 PM I simply don't understand why the authorities are so pathetic in combating this. And this is the result - players are forced to take matters into their own hands.
This is a reflection on the woefulness of UEFA and FIFA as much as anything else. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: kinboshi on January 03, 2013, 06:52:04 PM UEFA and FIFA have been, and continue to pay nothing but lip-service to large-scale racism by huge sections of fans from clubs or countries.
Respect to him for making a stand, and no one should have to suffer racism at their workplace (or anywhere else for that matter). This was just a 'friendly', but wonder what UEFA/FIFA would have done if he and the other players had walked off during a Serie A or CL match? Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: kinboshi on January 03, 2013, 06:52:44 PM Here's the video:
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aad63W8DyOg Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: The Camel on January 03, 2013, 07:05:39 PM If he took that action in a meaningful match rather than just a friendly I'd be more impressed.
Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: youthnkzR on January 03, 2013, 09:00:50 PM Respect to the guy.
Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: The Baron on January 03, 2013, 09:35:02 PM Respect to the guy. And to Milan - years ahead of other teams in terms of tackling racism. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: MPOWER on January 03, 2013, 09:37:25 PM Very bad kick.
Never made the crowd Regards M Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: Tal on January 03, 2013, 09:39:59 PM He takes a lot of stick - particularly in the German press for having chosen to play for Ghana whereas his brother plays for Germany - and he came across as an arrogant, petulant, flash Harry at Spurs.
However, this was an admirable action and as Camel says in his own inimitable way, we want others to feel empowered to do the same whatever the circumstances of the match. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 03, 2013, 10:10:18 PM If he took that action in a meaningful match rather than just a friendly I'd be more impressed. It was probably more noticeable in a smaller crowd, as the idiot minority will be more audible. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: sweet potata! on January 04, 2013, 03:27:02 PM What happened Karabiners comical replay last night?
Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: The Camel on January 04, 2013, 03:38:49 PM What happened Karabiners comical replay last night? Your obsession with anything I post is starting to become a bit unnerving. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: The Camel on January 04, 2013, 06:10:54 PM If he took that action in a meaningful match rather than just a friendly I'd be more impressed. Seriously, if, for example, Noel Hunt walked off in the face of some of the disgraceful anti gypsy chants he has to contend with, what would the reaction be? Would he be supported or face suspension? Not so sure the reaction would be so supportive. Hope I'm wrong. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: George2Loose on January 04, 2013, 06:18:58 PM Agree with seedorf. Buy walking off you're just empowering these idiots
Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: Karabiner on January 04, 2013, 06:31:36 PM What happened Karabiners comical replay last night? I took it down this morning as it didn't seem quite such a good idea ;whistle; Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: The Baron on January 05, 2013, 02:00:11 PM If he took that action in a meaningful match rather than just a friendly I'd be more impressed. Seriously, if, for example, Noel Hunt walked off in the face of some of the disgraceful anti gypsy chants he has to contend with, what would the reaction be? Would he be supported or face suspension? Not so sure the reaction would be so supportive. Hope I'm wrong. Unfortunately you're probably right. All the more reason for the top players at monster clubs to make people take notice. I agree KPB has empowered the morons but he's also made all of Europe sit up and take notice. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: MANTIS01 on January 05, 2013, 07:15:04 PM Walking off is a kinda dickhead move and I'd hit the guy with a big fine. If this behaviour were to be accepted it would leave football games wide open to angle shooting. If your team is 3-0 down in the Champions League Final players are allowed to just trap off the field of play if they hear moody comments from the crowd? Alternatively if your team is 3-0 up it surprisingly becomes much easier to tolerate a few louts all of a sudden. Milan are very supportive because the game meant nothing. That's before I even mention how the crowd get rolled over by these actions. You get tickets to FA cup final with your kids and half way through the players leave the pitch, the game is abandoned, and you make your way home. I'm sure eveyone would be well chuffed. Allowing morons so much control of whether the match is played out is quite ridic. Report it to ref and crack on with the game imo.
Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: kukushkin88 on January 05, 2013, 07:17:36 PM Some things are much more important than football though. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: The Baron on January 05, 2013, 09:04:46 PM Some things are much more important than football though. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: horseplayer on January 05, 2013, 09:11:23 PM fining a player for finding racist abuse upsetting does not sound a great way to deal with it to me
Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: rfgqqabc on January 05, 2013, 10:32:56 PM Like the Italian fa can afford to be seen fining someone acting out against racism.
I imagine you could get a game abandoned now if you tried hard enough. Surprised its not been done before really. Been a few suspicious floodlight's failing north of the border Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: MintTrav on January 06, 2013, 01:38:22 AM Some things are much more important than football though. Agreed. However, I don't think it is up to an individual player to decide he doesn't like something and walk off. I am amazed at many of the things that football crowds say and amazed that they are allowed to do so. This is just one of their many repugnant themes. But will players now be allowed to decide as individuals on a game-by-game basis whether to walk off if supporters say things they don't like? If this were to spread we could see players walking off for lots of reasons, which would obviously be unworkable. Would it not be better for the police, football associations or clubs to be taking the decisions in an organized manner rather than individual players on an ad-hoc basis? Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: kukushkin88 on January 06, 2013, 01:57:29 AM Some things are much more important than football though. Agreed. However, I don't think it is up to an individual player to decide he doesn't like something and walk off. I am amazed at many of the things that football crowds say and amazed that they are allowed to do so. This is just one of their many repugnant themes. But will players now be allowed to decide as individuals on a game-by-game basis whether to walk off if supporters say things they don't like? If this were to spread we could see players walking off for lots of reasons, which would obviously be unworkable. Would it not be better for the police, football associations or clubs to be taking the decisions in an organized manner rather than individual players on an ad-hoc basis? I disagree, no one should have to be subjected to behaviour which is both illegal and totally unacceptable. In our society if something is unfair then it is the responsibilty of all of us to stop it, if this means we don´t play football in the presence of racists then that´s ok. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: maccol on January 06, 2013, 03:23:51 AM Some things are much more important than football though. Agreed. However, I don't think it is up to an individual player to decide he doesn't like something and walk off. I am amazed at many of the things that football crowds say and amazed that they are allowed to do so. This is just one of their many repugnant themes. But will players now be allowed to decide as individuals on a game-by-game basis whether to walk off if supporters say things they don't like? If this were to spread we could see players walking off for lots of reasons, which would obviously be unworkable. Would it not be better for the police, football associations or clubs to be taking the decisions in an organized manner rather than individual players on an ad-hoc basis? This is obviously the ideal solution,but in far too many jurisdictions the will is just not there to tackle these issues.Indeed I would argue that in some areas this type of behaviour is tacitly approved of. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: MANTIS01 on January 06, 2013, 09:38:27 AM I don't think a dozen morons should be allowed to decide whether 30,000 of us get to watch the football game or not. In all aspects of life we don't let these people have control of what happens. After the London tube bombings everyone just carried on using the underground as usual because mindless terrorists aren't going to disrupt our normal lives. Why is the attitude so different towards some bad words at the football?
Anyway, forget words being thrown from the stands, in the Manchester derby missiles were thrown from the stands and Rio Ferdinand was bloodied from direct hits. This sort of behaviour is totally unacceptable and puts people in imminent physical danger. Yet nobody mentioned he shudda walked off. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: sovietsong on January 06, 2013, 09:41:25 AM Mantis, you still haven't updated your sig... Don't make me protest & quit blonde over this...
Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: nirvana on January 06, 2013, 10:11:00 AM This could be bandwagonesque. Pretty sure some thick English footballer will follow this soon.
Counter intuitively, white people flipping their shit about these things shows the lack of progress we've made in becoming indifferent to the colour of people's skin. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: MANTIS01 on January 06, 2013, 10:28:18 AM Mantis, you still haven't updated your sig... Don't make me protest & quit blonde over this... An awful lot of people love me sovietsong and I find it difficult to please everyone. I still have one in the queue from Tikay saying I am top 3 poster on Blonde. I feel like you are putting a lot of pressure on me over this and tbh it ruined my xmas. That said the outragous76 one could be replaced. Remind me what you said again but make it better this time. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: smashedagain on January 06, 2013, 10:35:24 AM I don't think a dozen morons should be allowed to decide whether 30,000 of us get to watch the football game or not. In all aspects of life we don't let these people have control of what happens. After the London tube bombings everyone just carried on using the underground as usual because mindless terrorists aren't going to disrupt our normal lives. Why is the attitude so different towards some bad words at the football? what team do you support with 30,000 crowds. Had you down as Millwall for some reason :)Anyway, forget words being thrown from the stands, in the Manchester derby missiles were thrown from the stands and Rio Ferdinand was bloodied from direct hits. This sort of behaviour is totally unacceptable and puts people in imminent physical danger. Yet nobody mentioned he shudda walked off. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: Tal on January 06, 2013, 06:27:16 PM Blatter criticises KPB for walking off and says clubs face sanctions for this sort of behaviour.
;frustrated; Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: MintTrav on January 06, 2013, 07:17:46 PM Blatter criticises KPB for walking off and says clubs face sanctions for this sort of behaviour. ;frustrated; Blatter is right, isn't he? Do you want players walking off whenever they don't like something? How is that going to work - games ending with 9 against 7? Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: kinboshi on January 06, 2013, 07:43:35 PM Blatter criticises KPB for walking off and says clubs face sanctions for this sort of behaviour. ;frustrated; Blatter is right, isn't he? Do you want players walking off whenever they don't like something? How is that going to work - games ending with 9 against 7? Yeah, we wouldn't want racism to get in the way of a bit of football would we? Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: smashedagain on January 06, 2013, 07:55:39 PM Would be nice to be able to chuck sections of the crowd out of the stadium :)
Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: horseplayer on January 06, 2013, 07:56:14 PM yeah gets in the way that racism
Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: rfgqqabc on January 06, 2013, 08:00:51 PM Blatter criticises KPB for walking off and says clubs face sanctions for this sort of behaviour. ;frustrated; Honestly? How is he still around? Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: Tal on January 06, 2013, 08:23:13 PM Blatter criticises KPB for walking off and says clubs face sanctions for this sort of behaviour. ;frustrated; Honestly? How is he still around? Don't know why I'm surprised tbh. He brought in a regulation that said you get booked for taking your shirt off because it upsets the sponsors who've paid a fortune to have their logo on the shirt when the camera is on the goalscorer. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: MintTrav on January 06, 2013, 08:33:34 PM Blatter criticises KPB for walking off and says clubs face sanctions for this sort of behaviour. ;frustrated; Blatter is right, isn't he? Do you want players walking off whenever they don't like something? How is that going to work - games ending with 9 against 7? Yeah, we wouldn't want racism to get in the way of a bit of football would we? So you are happy for players to walk off whenever they decide? Is that just for racism or does that include when the crowd abuses their appearance, their sexuality, their social life, their family? How do we decide that something wasn't serious enough for a player to leave, or is it just up to them? Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: kinboshi on January 06, 2013, 08:42:58 PM Blatter criticises KPB for walking off and says clubs face sanctions for this sort of behaviour. ;frustrated; Blatter is right, isn't he? Do you want players walking off whenever they don't like something? How is that going to work - games ending with 9 against 7? Yeah, we wouldn't want racism to get in the way of a bit of football would we? So you are happy for players to walk off whenever they decide? Is that just for racism or does that include when the crowd abuses their appearance, their sexuality, their social life, their family? How do we decide that something wasn't serious enough for a player to leave, or is it just up to them? No, the authorities should do something about it. No one should have to face racism at their place of work. But if someone was being racist to you where you worked, I'd be right behind you if you walked out and any fines or punishment I'd look to dish out would be towards the racists, not the victim. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: kinboshi on January 06, 2013, 08:47:32 PM Here's an example that puts it into perspective.
Imagine there's a golfer, he's black. At every tee-shot a group in the crowd start making monkey noises and chanting racist stuff. Should he just continue to play on, or would you expect him to refuse to play until the idiots are dealt with? Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: MintTrav on January 06, 2013, 09:27:06 PM You didn't answer my question. Allowing this will allow players to walk off for lots of reasons; those above and some others I haven't thought of. Do you think that is okay?
Where would it end? Would you want to pay in, not knowing whether half the players are going to hop it part-way through and the match end up being abandoned? And how useful could that be to a team that is losing? The problem with allowing it is that there are no controls. How do you determine whether the abuse was so bad that it was intolerable or whether it was quite minor and the player is just trying it on? If it is intolerable, the correct action for a player is to complain to the referee and/or his manager and put the matter in their hands, leaving it to them to take appropriate decisions. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: kinboshi on January 06, 2013, 09:36:01 PM You didn't answer my question. Allowing this will allow players to walk off for lots of reasons; those above and some others I haven't thought of. Do you think that is okay? Where would it end? Would you want to pay in, not knowing whether half the players are going to hop it part-way through and the match end up being abandoned? And how useful could that be to a team that is losing? The problem with allowing it is that there are no controls. How do you determine whether the abuse was so bad that it was intolerable or whether it was quite minor and the player is just trying it on? If it is intolerable, the correct action for a player is to complain to the referee and/or his manager and put the matter in their hands, leaving it to them to take appropriate decisions. I did answer it. A player shouldn't walk off. But they shouldn't have to walk off. No other sport would tolerate this behaviour from idiots in the crowd. It would be punished and dealt with so that players don't have to suffer racist abuse (which is illegal in most countries as far as I know). Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: BorntoBubble on January 06, 2013, 10:09:27 PM Blatter. Complete and utter retard! When he gets out of football it will be a great day
Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: MANTIS01 on January 06, 2013, 10:13:01 PM What if a black doctor gets racist abuse from a couple of drunk morons at work. Should he walk out of the hospital and go home?
Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: rfgqqabc on January 06, 2013, 10:17:21 PM What if a black doctor gets racist abuse from a couple of drunk morons at work. Should he walk out of the hospital and go home? No, he should stand there and keep treating them. You are right. I presume you are trying to say there are other actions here? Like what? The Doctor would remove himself from the situation and call the police... KPB did exactly that. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: smashedagain on January 06, 2013, 10:19:49 PM What if a black doctor gets racist abuse from a couple of drunk morons at work. Should he walk out of the hospital and go home? No, he should stand there and keep treating them. You are right. Title: Re: Kevin Prince Boateng Post by: The Baron on January 08, 2013, 08:52:52 PM Some things are much more important than football though. Agreed. However, I don't think it is up to an individual player to decide he doesn't like something and walk off. I am amazed at many of the things that football crowds say and amazed that they are allowed to do so. This is just one of their many repugnant themes. But will players now be allowed to decide as individuals on a game-by-game basis whether to walk off if supporters say things they don't like? If this were to spread we could see players walking off for lots of reasons, which would obviously be unworkable. Would it not be better for the police, football associations or clubs to be taking the decisions in an organized manner rather than individual players on an ad-hoc basis? For my money, I'd much rather leave the decision in the hands of the black player being abused at the time, not the organisations that clearly know very little about racism when deciding on it after the fact. Blatter/Fifa/Uefa only prove this point time and again when real punishments are needed for incidents like the Serbia-England youth game recently when they do next to fuck all about it. |