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Based on a situation I faced in the £300 at DTD this weekend, I have a question on how others would play it.

The main villain in the hand is on the button.  He's a young lad who only joined the table 30 minutes ago and you don't have any history and he seems competent and has enjoyed some good fortune recently, and also made a big hero call (correctly) and his stack is well over 100BBs.  He's only seen us take down a few pots without showdown in the last few orbits, but otherwise probably thinks we're relatively tight, based on the small sample size.

(Blinds were 400/800 100)

We're UTG+1, and we look down at __.

We make raise to a huge 3,000 from our stack of 42,800 (53.5 BBs), apparently far too large at this level, but that's what we did, and it's folded round to the button who re-raises to 10,000 (incidentally, another player managed to fold his hand of A2o face-up).  The small blind (local player, relatively loose pre-flop but passive post-flop) also calls.  He has a similar stack to us.

What is our thinking if we have each of the following:

1.   Ad Ks
2.   Td Tc
3.   Jc Jh
4.   Qd Qh
5.   Ad Qd


I think my thought process here was/is all over the place (as was my bet-sizing obviously), and I'd appreciate some input on how others would proceed here.

:)up

blinds?

1-6 call
7 raise
8 fold

400/800

and you open to 3k? (just checking this is right - not criticising)

If I'm not folding to the 3bet then I 4bet all in, except the T9s, which I probably don't even bother playing from this position at the table and with a 50bb stack at this level anyway. I'm never flat calling here.

How is 3k a standard raise at 300/600 or 400/800?

It is with Jacks or AK

Don't think can comment without knowing exact levels / size.

If blinds are 300/600 then your only 30k deep / if 400/800 then your 40k deep which is a significant amount of chips and effects decisions.

Fwiw i think open is too big at any of these levels though, even if we are 50bbs deep in these hands by opening as we did (3.75x @ 400/800 / 5x @ 300/600 - depending on blind levels) we are effectively much shallower then 50bbs.

Poss 1010/QQ but probably go with you @ JJ.

just request the HH from stars and copy + paste it imo

;carlocitrone;

If we're assuming you are playing 40k at 400-800-100 and, ignoring the opening raise size, for the sake of argument it's gone 3k, 10k, cold call......

I would (for what it's worth):

Fold: Anything not touched on below.

Call: Nada. Maaaaayyybbbeee Aces.

4b to 17k: KK/AA. Yes, it looks rather suspect but I can't see them both having the discipline to fold for 7k more and, even if they're suspicious, people hate folding having made their pair/seeing only unders to their own particular pair. Also gives them room to make a questionable all-in manoeuvre.

4b AI: QQ/AK/AQ


Which leaves decisions with 99/TT/JJ. I would err on fold the first two and 4b AI the Jacks.

Thought it was just me that had no memory for stacks, levels, positions raise sizes etc, and was convinced that was an age thing.

reassured now

Was G2L at the table? He'll remember it all

I think it is an age thing :)  Some hands I can remember every bet size and every little nuance, with others I forget my own name.

Forgot to mention that a player somehow folded his hand face up before the button raised.  A2o was shown.  I'm sure that influences things dramatically...

think tighty has reported this hand if you want to go back through the thread - easier for you as you will know time of day etc

I probably just kick myself for throwing in the wrong chips and fold everything except AA, KK, QQ and AK.

The huge raise means I can't set mine so I just give it up and continue pillaging the small pots.

In this comp with 50 bigs against a weak field you don't want to be dusting off your stack with a non premium.

So u want us to give u an analysis on a neet of hands where u might have been 30-50k deep where blinds might have been 300/600 or 400/800 or higher where the raiser maybe raised it to 3k big might have been less or more and where u clicked it to 10k but could have been 9 or might have been 12

Where John black?

I didn't click it to 10K, I raised to about 3K @ 400/800 100 level, which seemed about right from early position (but apparently I've committed high-treason and should be shot or something).  The button re-raised to 10K.

OP amended to clarify my pre-bet sizing stupidity.


This hand wasn't reported on the updates.

I think Mr Edward Gascoigne's analysis is pretty much spot on here  ;gobsmacked;

Dan

There hasn't been a single comment about your raise size.

The problem was that you define stacks as 50bb etc, yet tell us bet sizing is 3k 10k etc

So it makes it really tricky to give advice as we don't really know what the actual effective stacks are to proceed,

It's not high treason but it's pretty big. I really don't know what to make of his re raise size either but I'd probs fold everything aside from QQ

As I've said, the OP has been amended (and the blinds have been in the OP since you mentioned it on the first page) 

Not that it really matters now, but I folded JJ.

Flop came KQ3. SB checked, button bet, SB folded.

I think the raise is too big

What year was this in Dan  :D

Knew you had Jacks or AK from your sizing.

Yeah was pretty obv.

In future Dan just flat the 10k then rep that flopped king if you have jacks or rep jacks if it's a low board.

Just pray it's not a Q hi flop or you're screwed.

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Fold all except QQ

this thread will be bumped in 2016.