Live MTT 50BBs v button re-raise

[kinboshi]

Based on a situation I faced in the £300 at DTD this weekend, I have a question on how others would play it.

The main villain in the hand is on the button.  He's a young lad who only joined the table 30 minutes ago and you don't have any history and he seems competent and has enjoyed some good fortune recently, and also made a big hero call (correctly) and his stack is well over 100BBs.  He's only seen us take down a few pots without showdown in the last few orbits, but otherwise probably thinks we're relatively tight, based on the small sample size.

(Blinds were 400/800 100)

We're UTG+1, and we look down at __.

We make raise to a huge 3,000 from our stack of 42,800 (53.5 BBs), apparently far too large at this level, but that's what we did, and it's folded round to the button who re-raises to 10,000 (incidentally, another player managed to fold his hand of A2o face-up).  The small blind (local player, relatively loose pre-flop but passive post-flop) also calls.  He has a similar stack to us.

What is our thinking if we have each of the following:

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I think my thought process here was/is all over the place (as was my bet-sizing obviously), and I'd appreciate some input on how others would proceed here.

[outragous76]

blinds?

[StuartHopkin]

1-6 call
7 raise
8 fold

[kinboshi]

blinds?

400/800

[outragous76]

blinds?

400/800

and you open to 3k? (just checking this is right - not criticising)

[Evilpengwinz]

If I'm not folding to the 3bet then I 4bet all in, except the T9s, which I probably don't even bother playing from this position at the table and with a 50bb stack at this level anyway. I'm never flat calling here.

[George2Loose]

How is 3k a standard raise at 300/600 or 400/800?

[cambridgealex]

How is 3k a standard raise at 300/600 or 400/800?

It is with Jacks or AK

[youthnkzR]

blinds?

400/800

and you open to 3k? (just checking this is right - not criticising)

Can't remember the exact level or the bet-size, but about that. Might have been the level before (300/600 50).

Don't think can comment without knowing exact levels / size.

If blinds are 300/600 then your only 30k deep / if 400/800 then your 40k deep which is a significant amount of chips and effects decisions.

Fwiw i think open is too big at any of these levels though, even if we are 50bbs deep in these hands by opening as we did (3.75x @ 400/800 / 5x @ 300/600 - depending on blind levels) we are effectively much shallower then 50bbs.

[youthnkzR]

How is 3k a standard raise at 300/600 or 400/800?

It is with Jacks or AK

Poss 1010/QQ but probably go with you @ JJ.

[cambridgealex]

just request the HH from stars and copy + paste it imo

[kinboshi]

just request the HH from stars and copy + paste it imo

[edgascoigne]

If we're assuming you are playing 40k at 400-800-100 and, ignoring the opening raise size, for the sake of argument it's gone 3k, 10k, cold call......

I would (for what it's worth):

Fold: Anything not touched on below.

Call: Nada. Maaaaayyybbbeee Aces.

4b to 17k: KK/AA. Yes, it looks rather suspect but I can't see them both having the discipline to fold for 7k more and, even if they're suspicious, people hate folding having made their pair/seeing only unders to their own particular pair. Also gives them room to make a questionable all-in manoeuvre.

4b AI: QQ/AK/AQ


Which leaves decisions with 99/TT/JJ. I would err on fold the first two and 4b AI the Jacks.

[david3103]

just request the HH from stars and copy + paste it imo

Thought it was just me that had no memory for stacks, levels, positions raise sizes etc, and was convinced that was an age thing.

reassured now

Was G2L at the table? He'll remember it all

[kinboshi]

just request the HH from stars and copy + paste it imo

Thought it was just me that had no memory for stacks, levels, positions raise sizes etc, and was convinced that was an age thing.

reassured now

Was G2L at the table? He'll remember it all

I think it is an age thing   Some hands I can remember every bet size and every little nuance, with others I forget my own name.

Forgot to mention that a player somehow folded his hand face up before the button raised.  A2o was shown.  I'm sure that influences things dramatically...