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5/5 Blackpool GUKPT. Board reads AK88J I bet the end, guy calls, I show AT. Guy flashes an Ace and slides his cards in. Pot is in front of me when my friend says, "It should be a chop"

Dealer turns and says "Its up to you".

What would you do? I 100% saw the Ace.

There are a million factors to this I'm not mentioning, and I'm aware of this. WWYD?

Show my cards say nothing and let the floor sort it out.

someone I dont know 100% not chopping.

Would chop with reg fish to keep him in the game/coming back.

Assuming no-one I talk to regularly in a game would be this silly but would chop with them too.

Chop for sure. Do onto others....

100%. Always would chop

chop everytime

or never ever make a mistake like this yourself, one of the two.

absolutely this

I would never make this mistake, but would still chop

Their mistake, shouldn't be so careless and im sure they wont be in future. Never chopping unless its someone I know / someone who is fairly new to the game.

It's not rightly fair that he can play through the streets and not give you full info about his hand. Just ask him what his kicker was. If he snap tells you then easy chop. If he gives you any shit like "Why does it matter?" then keep the whole pot. That's why it matters kid.

you'll never go through a live poker career and not spaz out and muck a winner or something stupid

Ugh, brings back memories I still shudder about.

Yh lol, some absolute clownish moments come to mind :(

I made a $7,500 mistake in Vegas and I mentioned it the next day and the guy snap gave me my money back - I would have legit done the same thing for him but he had no way to know that so that was very good of him.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7iEUiMROts

Every time.

The Poker Gods will remember!!  ;)

Difference is, if I did this, I wouldnt claim the pot due to my own stupidity lol. Personally, if I ever muck a winner I deserve to lose, being that its my job to recognize winning hands and all :P

Even phil Ivey mucks winning hands

lol $7k here in Vegas too, I just said nothing just got up and walked away as I knew there was no way in the world I was getting my cards back. That was basically the difference between a breakeven and a $7k winning trip too  :'(

I made a similar mistake in Amsterdam. I showed an Ace said chop it up and for some reason flicked the other card in the muck. The woman next to me in the hand insisted she scooped as I had not shown both cards.

Its a tournament, so I agree with this.  Don't think that a player should ever have the choice to chop or not in a tournament.  Cash obv different.

edit oh its not a tournament dont know why OP put GUKPT in the first sentence

What 100pc keep it!


Fuck them all.

Pretty much always chop, just do the right thing in life.  I'd be dishonest if I didn't admit a couple of exceptions for past misdemeanours.

Think I'd have to chop.

Had a situation in the deepstack once. 20 players left. Guy jams I call. His KT beats my aq. I haven't put a chip in the pot yet as announced call. Dealer gives him back his chips and blinds. He's just relieved to be in. No one at the table has noticed. Dealer about to destroy the board. I was tempted to say nothing for a split second but had to pipe up. Just couldn't live with myself.

Karma tho. Lost aq to aT to finish 17th

Karma would bite you in the bum evey time.

The geezer was wrong, but do we really need to descend to his level & do the tit for tat thing?

Meh no real such thing as karma.

If you are in a local game then chop, or give them half of a chop and they will still be grateful. If you're being a rounder takin a shot then no deal noel

In poker, karma is a synonym of variance.

I had a spot on cash the other week, I bet the river £150 with a straight, guy thinks the dealer has said £250 and throws £250 in, ruled as a raise to £300. I call and win, you give the guy back his £150?

Though its a pointless question as nobody that would keep the £150 would say so amongst all the people that post that they would give it him back. That's why threads like these are pointless imo.

Kind of this but it´s more that if you do the right thing in a spot like this, you are more likely to have the right mind set to be a succesful player.

I would keep my £150.

In fact I would prob raise.

If you call the £150 fully intending to give him his unintentional raise back and then he shows you a higher straight, that means at best you were giving him a freeroll and possibly worse, were falling into a trap.

If you actually bluffed the river and are now sure he folds if you bluff again are you just going to muck and give him the whole pot because he meant to call?

Think in the middle of a hand and at showdown are completely different

I think this is different.

As for OP, in a tournament, I don't think it's up to the player to decide what happens in this spot. Get a ruling.

In a cash game, I'm not convinced what I'd do. On on hand, I'm all up for generally doing the right thing. A guy made an honest mistake, and you have clearly seen the Ace, so giving a chop seems fair. On the other hand, you are playing a game where you win money by exploiting other people's mistakes. Granted this isn't a mistake you see often and you certainly don't play the game to expect to win money this way, but still it is a mistake. One of those my brain says take the money, but my heart says don't be a douche.

What about if u agree to run it twice. They run it the first time the. The floor rules you can't run it twice Ian?

Thanks for the responses guys, possibly should have made a poll so people can respond without fear of being berated. This was an absolutely horrible situation. I was stuck £700, the pots been awarded to me, and I think the guy just mucked not realising it was a chop. Then when my mate, who is also shot taking to some degree, but is winning £1k points out it should be a chop.

 I didn't really hesitate to chop, but I wasn't sure if I was being too nice there. I'm travelling, never likely to play with the guy again, and the floor would 100% rule in my favour. Plus I don't know if I could do it if it was a £5k pot and I had no idea if they guy would chop for me if I'd made that mistake. Felt like the right thing but out of everyone i asked in real life very few said chop.

Doing the right thing always comes first.That's why I flipped Peter a pink chip.That's what he was referring to when he mentioned 'my kindness' on the Incredible 100 thread. Somethings transcend the game. What comes round,comes round etc.

Comfortably the worst action itt whatever you did IMO.

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yeh that fact tilted me the most.

i'd berate him first, explain I win the pot and pay the money from my pocket to the guy.

Obviously it's different if the cards have been mucked without you seeing them first

I think even I would chop here...

You'd have c/raised the turn and folded when he flatted showing the ace

Werent you the guy that folded a bigger pair when a guy flipped his hand early because you were probably gonna fold anyway?

I snap min raise this bluff. After everything you've admitted to we've been awarded a pot; Any floor would have a hard time ruling in favour of a chop, I have cards, he doesn't and his are irretrievable, even the dealer has gone to award the pot! He never even showed both cards. I'm pretty confident floor rule in my favour here if I kick up a fuss.

Call with 9 high. No way u chop ever

Would chop vs ppl i suspect to do the same or recreational players, grumpy live nit regs have no chance, mandatory to start needling them aswell.

yeah, after the horrid things I've done in the past (already documented on blonde) I am trying much harder these days to not be my natural ****ish self at the table in these kinda spots.

Even gave Mr Mistri some money back recently when he folded a chop...  took me a few days to remember, but I thought it was fair.


I'm trying to see the 'light' with regards to the 'game'.

Must admit this is the way I see it, in fact I would gain some perverse joy from not chopping to some people I have played live.

Yeah ofc, my housemate and I have had some ridiculous props in games recently in order to spice the game up. These have included prizes for slowrolling each other/other winning regs, as well as prices for winning big pots and getting the slowroll in with certain hands. We had a decent one right after the WSOP ME coverage came out this year, with that Russian guy giving the huge "OFF SUITED ACES" before he slammed his cards down. Unfortunately no prizes have been won yet, but certainly one way to spice the game up.

Can't be arsed to read 4 pages, but this, for sure.

It's not about lamb or pork Vinny. You need to read the thread properly.

:)

Yh Jp has a point as well if I had even the slightest inkling this person WOULDn't do it for me then I'd instantly take the pot, if I didn't know I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they would do it and chop it up.

There are a few guys I play with who are so tight and miserable that i'd love it if they made a mistake like this against me, the fact as well that they 100% SHOULD know better as well will make it all the sweeter

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