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Title: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: chelseaboy on February 03, 2013, 10:55:52 PM We are 10/101 at this point having just doubled up with AK>AQ
PokerStars Hand #93460898561: Tournament #679197131, $4.00+$1.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (5000/10000) - 2013/02/03 17:19:40 ET Table '679197131 160' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 2: NAMR0N (74354 in chips) Seat 3: OldDaddy1962 (147861 in chips) Seat 4: Zetos777 (162624 in chips) Seat 5: CFC2012 (242278 in chips) Seat 6: arek89 (192576 in chips) Seat 7: AtomTom87 (114833 in chips) Seat 8: Versace777 (94427 in chips) Seat 9: madravida (102616 in chips) NAMR0N: posts the ante 1000 OldDaddy1962: posts the ante 1000 Zetos777: posts the ante 1000 CFC2012: posts the ante 1000 arek89: posts the ante 1000 AtomTom87: posts the ante 1000 Versace777: posts the ante 1000 madravida: posts the ante 1000 NAMR0N: posts small blind 5000 OldDaddy1962: posts big blind 10000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to CFC2012 [Ks Kd] Zetos777: folds CFC2012: raises 11000 to 21000 arek89: raises 170576 to 191576 and is all-in AtomTom87: folds Versace777: folds madravida: folds NAMR0N: folds OldDaddy1962: folds CFC2012:??? The villain is 17/15/37/5.1 over 216 hands, he had been quite aggro!! How often is he going to have AA KK QQ? or worse? Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: TL900 on February 03, 2013, 11:03:46 PM lol, 50p.
Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: chelseaboy on February 03, 2013, 11:06:07 PM lol, 50p. Can you find a fold here or would that be just as bad as not calling? Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: pleno1 on February 03, 2013, 11:07:09 PM Folding and not calling would be pretty similar.
Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: cambridgealex on February 03, 2013, 11:13:16 PM I'd call happily here. I think he'll have quite a lot of worse hands in his range.
Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: jackinbeat on February 03, 2013, 11:13:24 PM Play this a lot, it's a snap call.
Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: titaniumbean on February 03, 2013, 11:19:14 PM you've put up the wrong hh, we have kings.
Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: pleno1 on February 03, 2013, 11:19:54 PM Thing is with these posts that really annoy me.
You already posted today that he had aq. To call you have to be beating his range (Actualky getting ok price and can call wider but for arguments sake..) so if you know he can potentially have aq then of course it's a call. I've never understood why anybody posts these questions, if he had aa it would still e a ridiculous thread but is still comprehend it. It's also from somebody who plays sit and gos and has coaching where jamming/callin is the most Important thing. Really sorry if this comes across Bad , I just don't get it! I'd suggest downloading equilab by pokerstrategy (free) and playing about with ranges and comparing equity's with different hands against different ranges. Again I'm sorry but if everybody continues to be polite with you it's going to result in millions more of these threads. Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: chelseaboy on February 03, 2013, 11:25:34 PM Thing is with these posts that really annoy me. You already posted today that he had aq. To call you have to be beating his range (Actualky getting ok price and can call wider but for arguments sake..) so if you know he can potentially have aq then of course it's a call. I've never understood why anybody posts these questions, if he had aa it would still e a ridiculous thread but is still comprehend it. It's also from somebody who plays sit and gos and has coaching where jamming/callin is the most Important thing. Really sorry if this comes across Bad , I just don't get it! I'd suggest downloading equilab by pokerstrategy (free) and playing about with ranges and comparing equity's with different hands against different ranges. Again I'm sorry but if everybody continues to be polite with you it's going to result in millions more of these threads. IVE BEEN SAT DOWN!!! No probs, I posted the Hand in my thread but not everyone reads my thread... nice to know that you do though! ;) I dont think its a silly question cause its a ridic over bet where he could have anything! I was also curious as to whether its a sensible call when we have 24bbs do we really want to be spinning for our tourney life when we are in a decent pos with 100 players left. But I also see your point so point has been taken and I wont post hands like this again! Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: jackinbeat on February 03, 2013, 11:32:48 PM Thing is with these posts that really annoy me. You already posted today that he had aq. To call you have to be beating his range (Actualky getting ok price and can call wider but for arguments sake..) so if you know he can potentially have aq then of course it's a call. I've never understood why anybody posts these questions, if he had aa it would still e a ridiculous thread but is still comprehend it. It's also from somebody who plays sit and gos and has coaching where jamming/callin is the most Important thing. Really sorry if this comes across Bad , I just don't get it! I'd suggest downloading equilab by pokerstrategy (free) and playing about with ranges and comparing equity's with different hands against different ranges. Again I'm sorry but if everybody continues to be polite with you it's going to result in millions more of these threads. Great tool and still a great site, well said. Although I can understand the pain, just prob best posting something that isn't a bad beat. Only just realised you're the same Pleno as Pokerstrategy, doh. Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: titaniumbean on February 03, 2013, 11:49:41 PM the question you should be asking here is not do I call with KK it's what do I call with? then develop a range for this spot.
Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: mondatoo on February 03, 2013, 11:54:46 PM More interesting than the hh, how are you getting coaching for SNGs and haven't came across this sort of spot with your coach ?
His 3b jam is a very standard jam with his stack and not wanting to be harsh but yes your question is a silly one. Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: titaniumbean on February 03, 2013, 11:58:52 PM More interesting than the hh, how are you getting coaching for SNGs and haven't came accross this sort of spot with your coach ? His 3b jam is a very standard jam with his stack and not wanting to be harsh but yes your question is a silly one. I read the hh and was like lol wat. then I went back and checked the stacks 3 times, and the action and again and then i'm still like lol wat. chelsea boy, what hands do you call with here? if you answer that and see peoples responses you will learn so much more than coming away that yes calling KK here was right. Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: chelseaboy on February 04, 2013, 05:59:12 PM I posted this in a bit of a mood after getting muffed yesterday, so apologise for time wasting etc.
Monda, to answer your question I have come across this on numerous times in a stg but its only a stg and havent been sat there for a few hours so its a snap call in a stg format. This is why I asked the question as to if you would play it differently in a mtt format with a lot more at risk. Titanium I would probably of passed JJ 1010 AJ AQ and AK here... I just think its a strange bet, he has 20bbs and thought with a hand like his he would flat and not jam with such a marginal hand with 5 more to act after him. Either way, your all right and its more of a bad beat post than a discussion post! Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: pleno1 on February 04, 2013, 06:26:41 PM My signal is really flawed but your logic is really really far off. Of you sn your coah this thread he should e able to massively improve or game as its basic fundamentals on sng/MTT poker.
Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: titaniumbean on February 04, 2013, 06:55:21 PM I posted this in a bit of a mood after getting muffed yesterday, so apologise for time wasting etc. Monda, to answer your question I have come across this on numerous times in a stg but its only a stg and havent been sat there for a few hours so its a snap call in a stg format. This is why I asked the question as to if you would play it differently in a mtt format with a lot more at risk. Titanium I would probably of passed JJ 1010 AJ AQ and AK here... I just think its a strange bet, he has 20bbs and thought with a hand like his he would flat and not jam with such a marginal hand with 5 more to act after him. Either way, your all right and its more of a bad beat post than a discussion post! 20 big blinds is so within normalised rejamming ranges/sizes. if it was 40bb+ effective, it would be oh that's weird to not 3bet to some size rather than rejam. then it'd be LOLZ I HAVE KINGS THO CALLY STILL. Being results orientated saying I lost is awful, being results orientated knowing that AQ is in his range here should allow you to range up what you should be calling with. If he's shoving AQo then JJ/TT/AK would all be bad folds. Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: MC on February 04, 2013, 07:38:55 PM Change Kings to Nines and I might understand the thread.
I think I've folded KK once in 70,000 games, albeit playing 99% turbos. Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: chelseaboy on February 04, 2013, 09:08:16 PM Change Kings to Nines and I might understand the thread. I think I've folded KK once in 70,000 games, albeit playing 99% turbos. I know... I was frustrated and looking for sympathy... and like a mug posted in here when deep down I knew it was a mistake, and nothing but a bad beat!! :) Sorry all dont wanna piss ppl off!! Title: Re: $5.40 KO 10K GTD 2.8K FTW Post by: MC on February 04, 2013, 09:11:24 PM I know... I was frustrated and looking for sympathy... and like a mug posted in here when deep down I knew it was a mistake, and nothing but a bad beat!! :) Sorry all dont wanna piss ppl off!! Lol not pissed off at all :) It takes a while to become immune(ish) to beats/coolers but you'll get there the more you play... |