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GPS Star City ME
100/200
My stack 21K - Rec fish
Villain #1 60K - solid pro who I've a lot a respect for. Playing tight game with the odd act of aggression
Villain #2 24K - old gent probs same age as TK who like to see flops with Raggy Aces
Villain #3 30k - New to table but has limped pretty much every hand

Folds to me in mid position I make it 600 with AKs
Villain 3 calls
Villain 1 makes it 4K
Villain 2 calls 4k
Me??

100bbs pre ante?!?!?!

Sigh fold and tell noone

Seems like a huge raise from a solid pro

I know it really threw me. He is also very tall.

after your description of the players involved i make it 10,200 and dont plan on folding obviously (might be why iam a huge live fish). if he is as you say solid then can he really be making it 20x bb and you have 3x'd it with aa? this could be his random act of aggression and it is a pretty good spot for him to be getting out of line here. interesting spot though. i can why folding could be argued for! but in game i doubt i do here especially with the extra 4k from the old guy who is almost never flatting aa kk there.

Fold pretty quickly and dont lose any sleep over it

very easy fold. if u peel it v much justifies the huge 3bet

I would jam buddy. You brought the action in from mp not ep, villain 2 raises well big, the other two villains are fish, we have the smallest stack at the table, and when it gets back to us there is 10k in the pot. Think we would be v unlucky to run into AA/KK here so all things considered yeah pretty straightforward squeeze for me. Not far to drive home either.

Really easy fold and hope they get to showdown so you can make a note of what they had.

Is villain either "Tall anon" whos surname rhymes with Clinton, or Karl Ma-----holz?

I realise there are other tall people who play poker just thought you were hinting at one of these two?

Struggling to think of any pro ever that would make it 4k who's solid and plays for a living.

Re the raise size, although normally I'd agree, having played this I did adjust with some oversized bets on Thursday.

If you know you are getting called and all that ...........

Think the two relevant players in the hand are hero and tall villain. When tall villain puts in the oversize bet he wont think hero calls from 21k very often. He might think villain who limps every hand with 30k can call sometimes but tall villain then has the adv of position, chips, momentum, & image post. And normal c-bet would give limping villain a big decision for his stack. Tall villain can have a hand but don't think his range is KK/AA to play this pot.

It was Karl.

A further bit of information, on probably 4 or 5 times he was 3 bet off hands when making standard 2 or 3 x BB opens on which he had commented, more than once, how players had it in for him.

This too was on my mind. Obv Karl is way above my level at poker and could be just levelling me either way.

More info, I'm armed with an another bullet if needed.

For all those who say fold, is this purely a numbers decision or just because there's no point in taking flips at this stage of the game.

The range I put him on was 78s+. I know this was wide but as table chip leader surely anyone worth their salt should boss the shorter stacks.

You can't pin him as tight then say you believe he is huge 3balling 78+, that's just none sense.

I am happy for Karl to say otherwise, but Im sure the mindset is more like, "well one of them is calling ", and he isn't thinking this holding 78!

If that's really your perceived range then quite clearly it's a fist pump jam, but I think you might get a surprise when you do

Being a reload tournament can things quite a lot.

With the range you've given the tall fella and a reload + the potential dead money in the pot it's an easy shove.

We have card removal for the 2 hands that smash us and we can always hit a flush if we need to.

I don't love it but I can see the justification.

I'd still be folding though. Just don't like getting 100 bigs in with AK without very good reads. If you're happy with your reads then I guess you have to go for it.

Be prepared for him calling with any half decent pair though because with his stack and a reload he's not folding 1010.

I understand what you're saying Guy and maybe my range view of him was wide but I just couldn't narrow it as much as say JJ+
Not that it makes much difference but I mean 78s plus pairs 77+.

If a good pro is trading off TAG I wouldn't figure his range is super tight when getting aggro in squeeze spots at fishy table. Makes sense to me to give good TAG wider range.

Think he can fold 1010 small % as villain 4 has overcalled behind.

this just isnt even close.

fold.

careful we keep agreeing ;0)

Happy to get it in mate pretty sure Karl, or anyone else in the hand, never plays KK+ this way. You have another bullet.

After this hand 3 things happened, 2 bad 1 good.
Firstly I did shove straight into Karls KK (this was purley read driven and got plainly levelled by Karl). KK held -BAD

Secondly I re-enter straight onto a great table with a number of good players and manged to chip up to 50k within an hour of play - GOOD

Table broke and got moved to the most tilty table I have ever sat at in my entire poker life of 27 years. Went absolutley card dead for 3 levels, everybody took 5 minutes to make a decision whether to call, fold or raise. - BAD

lol. Yeah I do look dumb Patrick :(

Thanks Guy for linking me here

This was my re-entry. On day 1a I busted at 150/300 when 1 player opened 600, 2 callers and I squeezed to 4,000 (must be my fave number) and the big blind over called with Q8cc and busted me on 9 high 2 club flop

Villain 3 here was one of the weakest players you could wish for and was calling most bets (for some reason especially mine). He was the main reason to squeeze so big here (as is proved when he cold calls). Also Andrew has played quite solidly and is likely to have a decent hand here. The more my play looks like a squeeze the harder he will find it to fold. If Villian 3 calls in between us and adds 4k to the pot even better

Nice to put a face to your alias on here Andrew, hope to see you at the next one

Cliffs: lollivepro

Nice to meet you to Karl.

You read me right and although this did cross my mind the option of re-entry kind of swayed my decision.

As much as I'd like to go to Newcastle I think Sheffield and Stoke may be the ones I play next.

I actually re-entered on your good ladies table. Crikey she's relentless and clipped my wings twice in my first 2 hands lol.

Relentless you say? Did you re-enter at the blackjack table or the bar?

:) Its 2013 but we arent on stars.

Regardless off the result in this case, I can't see why we'd ever wish to gamble shove/raise with AK in this spot, given minimal invested and a 100BB's behind us. AK is the scourge of many players early in tourneys as it's so often overplayed. The massive raise size by a 'solid pro' seems more suspicious, an attempt to get paid big by calling stations. I'd also be highly concerned by the smooth call of £4k behind. Protect your 100BBs and pick better spots.

You're absolutely right except for the 4k limper, you had to see it to believe it.

If the weakest player you could hope for will call a 4k 3bet with Q8 why should I figure tall good pro needs KK+ to squeeze with chips and position?

He doesnt need KK, he has just adjusted.

The reason you dont do it with weaker holdings is because the bloke doesnt fold when he flops any part of it.

This is the same hand that was being discussed when I first started reading blonde. Hehe.

I always remember the thread lasted 13 pages and you all decided it was a fold. I loved the post earlier "just fold and don't tell anyone"

That's exactly what I would do.

Hi Bobalike, I just think that given our stack/bet sizing from the solid pro we should avoid risking our tourney here .... he may be prepared to call off with 88+s as your shove looks an obvious squeeze play, and a lot of the time we will be flipping against underpairs, but do we really want/need this with 100bb's? It's too high variance for me at such an early stage in the tourney. I don't think the re-entry option should really affect our decision either, it's unlikely to have affected the OR's thought process with his initial raise! I'd generally play it the same as a freezeout, and if you bust out it's a bonus......

The fact he doesn't fold when he flops any part of it is good isn't it? You squeeze 99 and he calls with Q8 but never folds 8xx. You squeeze KQ and he calls Q8 and never folds Qxx. Sometimes villain will get ultra rewarded but he should be easy to play. I don't know what tall pro actual range is with this set up but at the table I just couldn't figure it to be super tight.

Due to villians unpredictable nature I imagine with more marginal hands Karl will just play him post flop and keeps pots under control

Was pretty much the plan

The Q8 was from the day before (although the guy on this table was similar). Was just using as an example of the play of some people in the field, sorry to confuse.