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The Golf Season is getting into gear, & this week it is the Accenture Matchplay.

The Masters is on the horizon, too.

Feel free to throw a few darts......

despite being generally appaling value in terms of overounds Betfair fixed odds are the top price in the first round matches tommorow for:

cabrera bello 2.87

van pelt 1.8

Stenson 2.05

lowry 3.4 (actually a lol arb on the betting exchange)

mcdowell 2

coelsarts 2.15

wood 2.7


obv if these all lose I'll be well facked

I only found one spot that I really liked and had a score @ 6/4 on Sterne to beat Duffner.

Laddies made me feel like a right shrewdie by immediately slashing it into 11/8.

ha betfair's amateur odds making punished.

Pinnnacle look out of line with Watney at 1.97 - its actually an arb with several going 2.1 on his opponent.

Had Lowry, wiiiiiiiiiii

The comma in the thread title is disturbing me a little. Can't explain why and I love a good comma.

Golf related, my bets are basically goosed. Also, what is the maximum handicap I can get? At the yearly football team golf outing I get hit with 24 every time and get told it's the max despite only having broke 100 once, ten years ago. Not fair.

24 is the maximum.

Hmmm

thought it was 28.

As a 5(cough cough), its been a while but one of my mates who just started been given 28

Where do you play Adz?

Cirencester. Glos

That forms the basis of my argument, I was sure I was allocated 28 in a previous year.

Wonder who, right now is googling this??!!

always believed 28 to be the max, would bet deece money on it

Google schmoogle

I just looked up your course in my book and see it's designed by James Braid.

I've played a few of his courses and all were delightful.

He usually has some interesting short par-4's

Its ok. I think we all get a little complacent about our own course though. Over last ten years they have made some changes and tightened it up, and its a good test, for a shorter course. As you say, some lovely well designed short par 4s

Maximum Club "regular" handicap is 28, & always has been to the best of my knowledge.

Some Clubs may vary this I suppose, but 28 is the default. 

Fair point.

I've thought about it, & it could be argued it is fine with, or without.

I guess on balance it could be construed as superfluous.

Be thankful I don't start doing those ridiculous checkboxes, which do nothing to make reading or writing more efficient. Or start saying I crush everything, or smash the game.....and then end with one of those hashtag things.

The way we express ourselves via the written word is changing way too fast for me to conprehend. 

thanks all, I was mistaken.

and going round in 24 for far too long when I played regularly!

This thread misses you muchly Rich.......


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24 used to be the maximum for men but I'm not sure when they changed it to 28.

It was 28 when I began playing Ralph, but unlike you, I was not playing the game when the likes of Longhurst & Cotton were.

Mahan just drove the ball 390 yards! What?!!

A team of three for me this week at The Honda:

McDowell @ 34. Based on how well he was swinging the club last week before having what looked rather like a nervous beakdown in the bracket final, hopefully he's recovered .

Sang Moon-Bae @ 120+ average price. I got obstinate and kept dripping another fiver on each time he drifted so he's now a mahoosive banzai.

Sabbatini @ 340. I can't actually stand this guy's antics but he has talent, is a C+D winner, and that price looked too big.

I've gone for Jacobsen at 29-1.  Good course record and in good form. 

Did anyone go for the Howell/Howell EW double this week?

Nope but got singles of both.

Why can female golfers wear shorts without long socks, and have no requirement to tuck their shirts in?

We need to fight back IMO!

I wish, just an EW single on David.

Will someone please arrange to have me shot if I ever put another penny on Lee Westwood who is despite an abundance of talent is incapabable of getting down in 4 shots from 200 yards when under no pressure whatsoever.

Furthermore will someone tell NBC that a leaderboard with more than 2 people on it would be a nice thing to have in a golf tournament.

The organisers at Doral are obviously from the school of getting right back on the bike after a fall as despite Rory's delicate psychological state they are sending him out with Tiger and Luke in the marquee group.

I've had a couple of bets in the 3 balls might have some more later.  Charl S at 2.4 with coral and Tim Clark at 3.2 with shybet.  Debating about backing Charl for the tournament - anyone ever bet with Youwin?  They are top price on most of the favoured players, seems a little too good to be true.

My advice is to have nothing to do with youwin Dave.

They will only lay pennies and are VERY slow payers. To add insult to injury my one transaction with them triggered a fraud alert on my debit card.

TY Ralph, will steer clear.  Have gone for Watney at 40, his record at the course is excellent even though his form is a bit off but not horrific.  Also added Jacobsen at 2.4 on BF, and Moore at 2.63 from VC for the 3 balls.

My three musketeers in the win market this week at Doral:

Poults @ 60, Hanson @ 65, and Sterne @ 150.

Great named player leading the Puerto Rico Open.

Dicky Pride.

Sounds like a dody London pint/or me after I shot a 90

Hoping to get down to Doral for at least one day this week.  Mickelson only bet so far but I will no doubt add to it during the weekend.

The golf fans big hope is for Brian Gay and Dicky Pride to play in a two ball somewhere. Grown men will be ringing up their bookmakers and asking for a price on the Gay Pride two ball and then sniggering almost as much as when they ring up and ask for the prices when there is a snooker match between Marcu Fu and Mark King.

One of my late dad's greatest golfing conquests was that he once played "The Blue Monster".

The details were fairly vaigue as to the scoring however.

Great stuff Red, some pics would be brill.

My Foolish Five are.......

Kuchar @ 20/1

Bubba @ 33/1

Watney @33/1

Ryan Moore @ 66/1

Garrigus @ 55

I only really picked one of the 5 myself, so whatever one does best, that was my pick. Honest.

I have Sang Moon Bae and Scott Langley in the Puerto Rico, and Oosterhuizen and Keegan Bradley in the proper tournament. These are throw a dart type bets though so I have something to root for.

My final bet is Senden for top ANZ player - he has an excellent scoring record at Doral (albeit small sample)

Cabrera and Stenson with Rose and Olesen

Guess which pick was mine?......


http://www.worldgolfchampionships.com/cadillac-championship/leaderboard.html

Realistically, only Bubba & Watney are still in with a real cance, Bubba is joint leader, Watney three behind, but the top of the board is very congested.

The weather was totally calm yesterday, but if the wind gets up, anything could happen.

Anyway, kiss goodbye to my Garrigus, Moore & Kuchar bets, Watney has a chance still, & Bubba is joint leader, so not so bad really.

There is no cut in this one, so if my remaining picks can stay competitive, I have a weekend sweat.

Nice start there Methuselah Minor, -4, -5, & -2 respectively.

Pretty neat picking three all of whom are sub-par.

Poults especially impressed after a nightmare start.

Anyone who backed Rory had a painful day.

Poor Rory, it is painful to watch. He really is doing hs best, but it just ain't there, the harder he tries, the worse it gets.

I have zero sympathy for him. If you become world number 1 golfer the one thing you do not do is change your clubs. I would be very happy if he never won another tournament. Why do it? He had loads of money anyway, it is mind numbingly stupid. Rant over. Come on Keegan.

Me too hector I'm laughing at the daft bugger.

Ooh, you two are so harsh!

gone for coetzee sterne and coelsarts in the 2 balls.  Noticed that Laddies are now seeding betdaq with their prices.  I'll prob get barred tho as they mixed up the prices of Lynn and Watney  ie 2.5 watney who is odds on.

I'm sure that exploiting palpable ricks on exchanges is allowed as plenty of people get a living doing it, but that would be hilarious if they did indeed bar you.

No free money on Betdaq today  :(

Gone for Thompson @ 2.75 he is playing very solidly and Sergio can be a bit erratic on this course.  

added in jamieson and oosthuizen they are good scramblers so hopefully will do better in the windier conditions than their opponents.

I seem to have a dose of the golf-betting flop-lag.

Was on McDowell last week and Tiger the week before.

My picks this week all bombed, Ralph.

I spent two days cursing myself for not getting on McDowell, but it appears I got away with it!

Getting the right side of the inconsistencies of Tiger & Rory is somewhat taxing, but if we could catch them right, it adds to the value.

ffs 2 of my selections 2 shots down already and Scott moves to -8 to put my senden top aus bet in trouble.

Tiger, what a boss

fyp James.

Back with his Mrs too ( how the hell did he pull that off) so everything seems to be in place for a good season.

Once you've had Black, you never go back!

lol

I've thrown an EW dart at Jiyai Shin in the LPGA Founder's Championship this week.

She's back on form having won the ladies' final major last year and this season's opening event.

18/1 yum-yum.

Thrown another at Geoff Ogilvy @ 70 in Tampa who seems to be showing signs of life again.

Decent start in both with Ms Shin -5 and Ogilvy -2.

I'm due....

Jiyai Shin is a huge price this week in the LPGA Kia championship.

Having finished T3,2,T3, over this same course the last three years 18/1 looks massive to me.

My boots have been duly filled.

Same here Ralph, both for Fred, & off-thread.

I've just discovered that it's on a different course this year.

I assumed Carlsbad California meant the same course but alas.. ;booboo;

Ralph!




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On the plus side her results for the last three years were played on two different courses in the area so it would appear that her biorythms are in synch with Carlsbad Calif. at this time of year.

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A sweat is a sweat  :)up

Just done a little research into Ms Shin's LPGA career stats.

11 wins from 93 pro. starts, so 18/1 doesn't look too shabby whichever way you look at it.

I'm almost tempted to press but my boots are already full ;)

She's clearly not short of confidence at the moment either. Check out her new hairstyle!

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Everyone else's boots are full, too, thanks to you......

If she wins, you'll be a hero. On the other hand.......

Could be a cracking sweat this.

I want to research a golfers past history at a certain tournament. Westwood is 30s this week and I'd like to see how he has fared in the past, what is the best site to use? Google isn't helping much. Any help appreciated.

MM

PGA.com always works for me

If you google the tournament results and the year you'll be fine.

hmmmm a bit cumbersome, but probably not as cumbersome as this (although my method avoids searching for "gay" or "pride" in google)

http://espn.go.com/golf/players  put in "westwood"  click on "view all results" then there is a year dropdown to click on.

If you are ok with excel you can go to http://espn.go.com/golf/leaderboard and go thru the past years and cut and paste into excel.  Then just filter for whoever you are looking for.

In the Kia Classic (Girlie Golf) as well as Ji-Yai Sin (18/1) I have dabbled on Jessica Corda, EW @ 50/1, & Top Ten @ 7/2.

How can I possibly lose?

Jessica seems a most pleasing individual.

Her dad is Petr Korda who used to be a top-two ranked tennis player.

Never knew that, but you are, of course, correct....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Korda

It is a very optimistic punt, but she seems to have started 2013 in fine fettle, & I think 50/1 is sporting value.

Just discovered a fantastic blog from English pro Eddie Pepperell who is a rookie on the European tour he really writes well and his blog is well worth a read. linky below.


http://eddiepepperell.wordpress.com/

Struggled to find a bet for Bay Hill this week but finally threw a dart at Jason Dufner @50.

It's an odd market with Tiger @ 0/30 and 20/1 bar.

I feel like when we are punting on womens golf its a sign we've given up...

It appears as though Yani Tseng(world #1 for the last year or so) has withdrawn which cannot be a bad thing for Shin-funkers even if she's not on top form currently.

I could hit 16 3-ball bets in a row without a win tonight - I'm way beyond the giving up stage....

fixed

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANDbq0N0MzU

I thought the proper Golf was quite tough this week. With Woods at a prohibitive price, there must have been value elsewhere, but I could not see it. I nearly had a tickle on Els, but he had a shocker.

Miss Shin did not have a good day, & is 5 behind the leader, but Jessica had a grand day, & was looking like overnight leader until dropped shots @ 15 & 18 left her two behind, & tied for 4th.

She needs another good day today, & then we can get a proper sweat on. She is down to 14/1 now, from 50/1.

See Caroline Hedwall is 2nd, remember having a few punts on her over the last year or so...

The back nine seems a fair bit tougher than the front on last night's evidence.

Caroline Hedwall was flying -6 after nine then doubled that tenth, Ms Korda was also looking extremely good for a while and is still in very good shape indeed.

Ms Shin needs to get her finger out today or she could get too fas behind.

At Bay Hill the waggler also needs to get his finger out if he's to be a factor this week.

I winced when I saw Caroline Hedwall up there!

The back 9, or so I am reliably informed by my Golf Counsellor, is noticeably tougher than the front 9.

That'll teach me to chirp.

Jessica has played three holes so far today.

Bogey

Bogey

Double Bogey.

Next case.

I'm giving up trying to pick winners at golf and sticking to the lottery from now on.

The doris is still top twenty tho?

Your Doris might be mine is T32 and even par.

Wouldn't dream of findin my own Doris selection Ralph. Done the shin on ur rec!

Bollix, wrong shin......

On the wrong course.




It's easy done!

oh well, as a doris bet goes west, I wake to find that my little bet on a fat little aphribaranet has come courtesy of reducing tourn to 54 holes.

Not a big bet but 50s none the less and got him in a cross ew double with Olesen in AP tonite. With Tiger looking good realistically its a funk for the place, but should be a good sweat all the same. GL me!

I'm going to start making my picks after three rounds too. ;)

just back Jerry Chapman(chompys paper) blind mate. Not rocket science

Did he actually manage to find the Aphibarnrat Thai kid too?

He's deffo a genius judging by his tips over the last couple of years.

Aye. I tend to back his Euro tour choices blind but use my own staking plan.

Never so confident with his US picks but always considered. Didnt get paper til Weds and had fancied G Mac and Ernie myself. He had picked both, so bets got doubled. Mistake, but Olesen can make the year if he plays out of his skin!

Either way, Jeza paid his way!

They are used to birdies on the 18th hole in the US golf but this pic was taken on the 18th fairway during the near tornado that rained them off today.

Just needs a decent chip to go with it.

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Trying to work out the reason for my disatrous run on the 3 balls.  Do bookies get "inside" info about players that enable them to push out the price?  I put the players recent scores in a spreadsheet that provides odds based on these scores, so if a price is long I back it (as long as there isn't something obvious eg hates the course).

One of the three balls was Overton- (2.38)/Duke- (2.62)/Pride- (3.25).  I can't see any reason why Pride should be the dog in that group, yet he was and shot two stinkers. 

Anyone got any views?

Tiger has now won three times from four starts this season.

I bet on him once and am 0/1.

How many scores do you put in?

Do you factor in course form?

What about outright price?

When I used to price up 3 balls, the outright price was overwhelmingly the determining factor as my odds.

course form is one of my "something obvious".  Haven't taken much notice of outright price as lots of the 3 balls contain no-hopers and recent form should be related to outright price anyway.  I had been using the last 20 scores. but maybe thats too far back.  One of the ones I thought was too short was Ishikawa and just comparing the last ten scores brings him more into line with the bookies odds.

Really I suppose if I see a price that is too good or too short , either someone knows something I don't or I've missed something obvious.

I would have thought course form is more important (or at least as important) than recent form for "no hopers".

I look at course form, I was saying that that would be an obvious reason for a tweaking in the price.  It wasn't actually a factor in my two examples Ish had no course form and Pride was fine at the course.

 

Things might have changed a lot, but bookies do not have inside knowledge.

Occasionally I would tweak my odds a little if a shrewd punter wanted to be on a particular player, but on the whole the overround takes care of any mistakes.

knowing how the books come up with their price initially must be essential in terms of finding flaws in what they come up with i would think?

bobby might be able to tell you exactly what they use as primary factors these days?

probably clumsy phraselogy on my part - what I really meant was to what extent do they bother researching more than the obvious eg player X was hopeless in a practice round.

I would seriously doubt as to whether that would be factored in tbh.

I reckon they're just going on very similar info to what you have.

Hi Double, its a little bit like how long is a piece of string but I hope this is useful.

As Keith mentioned the method for compiling basic 3 ball prices is related to the outright prices pre tourney so you have to start there. The current form, course form etc is already taken into account when those prices are compiled. So just a couple of basic examples of converting the outright prices to a 3 ball at 109-110% which is roughly how much juice the books take is

Player A is 50/1 outright, player B is 66/1 and player C is 80/1, so the basic prices (to be elaborated on) would be about
11/8 player A 7/4 player B and 9/4 player C

If the outright prices were 25/1, 33/1 and 40/1 then you could almost use the same prices for that three ball as the previous example tho you might be nearer
6/4, 7/4 2/1 ish.

So the outright prices dictate the gaps between the players in the 3 balls. To elaborate on those tho,if you are doing it properly you might see that the weather is set to be windy when these players are on course so might tinker with them if say Player A likes a bit of wind and player C doesn't. Then thru each round your initial starting point is still the pre game outright prices because the individual scores they put up in the rounds is just a tiny snapshot of what they are capable of. You would then tinker with them a little to allow for the scores they have shot.

Say player A in the first example shot 73, player B shot 71 and player C shot 70 you might make the next round 13/8 player A 13/8 player B and 19/10 player C. So even tho player C won the 3 ball he is still the outsider because your pre game prices are a much better indicator of their ability than an 18 hole score. Where it gets tricky is when a player shoots himself out of the tournament and is the type to toss it off a little when out of contention so if those scores above were 78 71 and 70 then player A would be the outsider because in a lot of cases there would be a motivation squiggle by his name for the next round.

Using a determined number of past scores is probably going to lead to trouble because the players might have played different events. If player A last two events were at The Honda classic and this week at the  Arnold Palmer event and Player B had played the Puerto Rico Open and the WGC at Doral then player A is going to have much worse scores even tho he could have played those courses really well as the scoring in those two events was very tough and in player B's events it was pretty easy.

Players also have stronger averages in certain rounds, take someone like Michael Thompson who does put in some good first round scores and then usually fades away( tho he didn't at The Honda classic) and the opposite of that could be Mickelson who doesn't play so well in round 4 when out of contention. There are lots of players that play better early on in events and then less so when it gets pressurised in the later rounds, say John Senden who never looks like winning on the US tour but has lots of nice stats, mainly made up when the pressure is off so their scores in round one could be better than round four. The nut worst toss it off merchant when out of contention was Calcavechia, I think late season one year he ranked 220th out of about 222 players for 4th round scores when he was still competitive on the main tour.

Going deeper, fast players could be inconvenienced by slow players and that might affect the price, if Sabbatini was drawn with Ben Crane for example then Sabba might be a slightly bigger price because he lets himself get affected by slow play.

Rickie Fowler has put up some really poor scores when playing in the same group as Tiger Woods  (he did again today), so that will be taken into account when they are paired together again even if Fowler is playing really well at the time.

So just using str8 score comparison isn't going to work too well.

In the Overton, Duke, Pride example you used Pride is deffo the weakest player of the 3. Their pre game prices were about 150, 200 and 250 ish so that leads to the three ball prices you quoted above of 11/8 13/8 and 9/4.


As an example of why just using scores isn't going to help could be found this week. Ed Molinari has been almost lost since last season after having a minor surgery and losing his swing, he has missed loads of cuts. He sacked his coach a few weeks ago and hired the same coach that Tiger is using, Sean Foley. After a few weeks of new coaching he made his first cut of the year last weekend in Malaysia when he ran second.

Just by using X amount of previous scores he is going to be a vastly different price using your method than the bookmakers who have priced him up at around 28/1 4th favourite for this weeks event because he is a quality player that has had a rough time and his improvement last week can be linked to his new swing. So the outright price will give you the guide as to his 3 ball price where previous scores would show a totally different price.

I hope a bit of that might have been a help mate.

cheers

One last thing is 3 balls imo are a really bad betting medium because they are 3 runner events bet to around 110% which is pretty grim these days. Even on BF outside the major groups they can be 106/107%. There are also 7 different permutations of results for a 3 ball and as punters we get one of those for a full return. I would much prefer to lay a player in a three ball and have all the other permutations to avoid a full payout going for me.

Quite a few firms quote 18 hole head to heads these days so it might be easier to find a winner in a match up instead of a three ball, Pinnacle bet them to pretty fair % and you are betting tie no bet too.

Wow, what a great learning exercise that was Phil, thank you. Worth reading a few times to thoroughly absorb.

PS - where do you find a stat like this?......

"....one year he ranked 220th out of about 222 players for 4th round scores...."

Thanks very much for that Bobby. 

I had been looking at a few of these things eg I counted PeurtoRico Open as half a stroke weaker than Doral and was about to analyze the player "best round". 

The "deeper" info point was really what I was driving at as I was quite often backing when one firm was longer than the rest and I suppose it is more likely to be for a specific reason rather than carelessness in their part.

hi mate,

You can find all those stats for this and previous years here.

http://www.pgatour.com/content/pgatour/stats/categories.RSCR_INQ.html

You can get all kinds of info from there

As I mentioned Calcavecchia  above I went to the year I had in mind for an example of different round averages, it was 2006.

Average scores per round that year

1st 71.38.... ranked 122
2nd 70.88.... ranked 78
3rd 72.76 ....ranked 187
4th 73.43 ....ranked 189

So that year he averaged over 2 shots worse in the 4th round as he did in the 1st round and 2 1/2 shots worse in the 4th round than he did in the 2nd round. I think you have to have played a certain amount of rounds to get a final ranking so there will have been players removed from the end of year list because they only played a few times on the tour. I do remember him being 220th of 222 for 4th round avs at one stage late in the season, probably before the non qualifiers were removed.

One other small thing that came to mind re three balls is it can pay to look thru the actual hole scores at the end of a round to see if anyone had one really bad hole as say.

Player A shoots 70 with 18 pars
Player B shoots 70 with 2 birdies and 2 bogeys and 14 pars
Player C shoots 70 with 4 birdies one bogey and a 7 on a par 4 for a triple bogey and 12 pars.

They shot the same score but Player C was a better round as he gave away 3 shots on one bad mistake(s) hole.

Rickie Fowlers triple on 16 yesterday which turned a 2 under par round into a 1 over par round is a good example. He was about 10 feet from being on the par 5 green in 2 and ended up taking an 8.

cheers

This was a method I used way back in the pre internet days, when I used to go to tournaments at Wentworth or Sunningdale.

Spent ages studying the big scoreboard looking for players who had a decent round spoilt by one 8 or 9.

Still think the overround takes care of any edge this provides however.

hi mate, yes the over rounds are deffo still tough aren't they. Did you get to those courses often, I had a couple of days at Wentworth 2 years on the trot and was going to go last year until Sheff Utd made the play off final that weekend.

I saw Pierre Fulke hit the best shot I ever saw live on the 18th at Wentworth, from the greenside bunker he spent 2 minutes with his caddy looking at a place to land the ball on the green and the putting line to the hole from there. He then landed it on the exact spot they were pointing at and got the break they had allowed for and it went in the hole. Was a magic moment.

Used to go every year to the PGA at Wentworth and the European Open at Sunningdale. I lived in Ascot so they were both super handy and I used to know how to get on the courses halfway round without paying (shhh don't tell anyone)

Remember a brilliant duel at Sunningdale between Andrew Murray and Frank Nobilo for the title. Everyone followed the group in front (think it was Seve and Langer - might have been Faldo) assuming the winner would come from those two. But Murray and Nobilo both shot like 68 and finished clear of the superstars.

Never really bothered with Matchplay - crowds were far too big and you couldn't see anything.

Preferred just having a punt on a quiet threeball in the morning and then taking advantage of tax free betting betting on the horses in the afternoon. Happy days.

sounds a perfect day that Keith, good old Frank Nobilo is abs stealing a living for the Golf Channel these days. I went to Southport with Athos Christodolou one year to watch the Ladies Open Championship and he asked me to pick an early start 3 ball for us to follow. So I chose some 6/4 shot in a bad group and at about 9 am we went to the first tee to follow the group, we watched them tee off and then went to the second green where our girl was already 1 over par and we were a bit miffed to find she was putting with her wedge. After holing out the caddie set off sprinting down the fairway as the group moved to the next tee. It turned out he had left the putter on the practice green.

She was fuming and 6 behind at the turn and we went for some lunch and I was gutted I had given him a loser, she came back on the back nine and was beaten by a shot. In the afternoon we were punting in the Hills shop on course and I didn't feel too bad about him losing 100 quid on my losing 3 ball bet when he was having 300 a race on the horses and Laura Davis was in there having about the same on per race too. Was an eye opening day for sure.

First time I ever went to a casino in the UK - the Golden Nugget on Shaftesbury Avenue - Laura was there punting away on the roulette at about £200 per spin.

Was pretty shocked!

LOL @ on course betting in the golf.  I remember when I first worked for Victor Chandler and they secured the sponsorship of the PGA at Wentworth along with the on course betting facilities.  The first or second year I went and popped into the on course facility to see one of my mates from the office that was working it.  He had a face like thunder so I asked him what was wrong then I looked at the other side of the shop to see a certain Neil Channing and, I think, Murray Swan but I didnt know Keith then so he may well have been there having monkeys on horses at Southwell and the golf was rained off.  My mate Don's words to me were "they told Victor this shop would make fortunes for him but what fucking chance have we got now!!!"

Fancies for this weekend chaps?

Shall be going back to Mr Howell again this week.nice short tight course which needs a good short game right up his street and gradually hitting top form. 33s looks nice.

Gonna have some random young guns at big prices in the states. Goes against the grain but may also back Westwood as this one is set up like the masters, got a sneaky feeling bout him this year even though he has been shit up to now!

Gl

Going to do nothing but sit on the settee and watch this week but have backed phillip price to be top welsh player tho all 4 players are so bad just making the cut could mean you win. Backed ramsey and ed mol earlier in the week but not sure they are any value now tbh.

The PGA used to finish on bank holiday Monday when there used to be about 12 meetings around the country.

Harry Findlay used to have £3000 on all the 1/6 shots in 3 and 4 runner novice chases and hurdles at Fakenham, Cartmel or wherever.

I think Ed Mol sacked his coach and joined up with Tiger's man Sean Foley.

He has. Last week could have been a flash in the pan but it might just be down to the new swing clicking str8 away, he has a bit of quality about him doesn't he if he has found his game again.

Yes he does Phil, very good putter too and not afraid to win.

I'm off to have a gander now I think you've talked me into throwing a dart.

Dart thrown at EdoardoM @ 30 in Morocco, and mini-darts on Tringale and Bae in Houston @ 95 and 240 respectively just in case.

Not much for me this week, just small interests - thanks to my Golf man - on.....

Euro Golf

Price, Top Welshman, 7/2.

Ed Molinari & Richie Ramsay outright.

US Golf

Bo Weekley, outright & Top 5 @ silly prices.

Powder mainly being kept dry for The Masters.

In the Euro Golf, a chap named Jakub Svoboda has just played his first three holes.

DOUBLE bogey at the Par 5 first

QUADRUPLE bogey at the Par 3 2nd.

QUINTUPLE bogey at the Par 4th 3rd.

He has safely negotiated the 4th. Sort of.

DOUBLE bogey at the Par 5 first

QUADRUPLE bogey at the Par 3 2nd.

QUINTUPLE bogey at the Par 4th 3rd.

TRIPLE bogey at the Par 4 4th.


Think he is due a regular bogey now.

Meanwhile Edoardo is +4 after six holes...

Svoboda retired after six holes, he was +21.

Marv. Still there is always the chance I backed the wrong Molinari.

Toothache?

He must have been unwell, or injured, I guess.

He finished with a double bogey on the Par 5 5th, & a quintuple bogey on the Par 4 6th.

+7 after 12.

Better change his coach.....

Didn't get to see the Hassan golf today. Were conditions terrible or did the king not cut the rough, cos some very iffy scores out there.

Siem got it sewn up already methinks, although I hope I'm wrong

Huge draw bias, windy as fk in the morning and by mid-afternoon it was a gentle breeze.

I see Mr Tringale has started v well Ralph, N1!

Shhhhh

gone for a banzai with matt every as first round leader.

I've thrown a couple of small  banzai darts in the rather catchily named first ladies' major of the season, The Kraft-Nabisco.

Moriya Jutanugarn @ 100/1 EW and Shanshan Feng @ 70&50(!!!) in the betty win market.

Also couldn't resist dabbling on a couple for funkage purposes in the Texas Open;

Harrington @ 65, and Bae @ 180.

Go Methuselah!

He looks very different now he wears bins.

Harrington was -5 through 17 holes and is now -2 through 21 :(

I feel that he's almost there but....

I'm on Brian Gay win only pre tourney but just backed him each way too, -3 in the house, shouldn't be too far away at the end of the day thought 50 was ok, hopefully get a sweat over the weekend.

Well done Martin Laird, amazing round.

What do people think of buying hole in ones at the masters @40 (50pts for each hole in one)

The 16th pin position on sunday makes this a good bet IMO. There have been 7 aces in the last 8 years (I think) but this is only good value if there are >1


Having said all that the chances of >1 are pretty slim so evens for 1 on betfair is where the money is going

One thing about betting on The Masters now is I would wait until the draw is out this afternoon, there looks to be a pretty big weather bias in the forecast for Thursday and Friday at the mo.

How about that for living the dream, would prob cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in the corporate world.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/22076640

I dont know. The forecast for Thursday gives a 40% chance of rain from 10am - 8pm with cloud cover and low humidity all day. I don't think there will be a big scoring bias between the early and late starters that day.

Friday has a 40% chance of rain til 8am then 10% there after. Seems to be a decent winds for most of the day so should dry out pretty quickly. Can't see it being damp enough for long enough to favour the longer hitters especially.

Ok mate, will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Had to watch this again after the 16th hole was mentioned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE5nxzSljCg

All the drama of Augusta encapsulated in that one shot.

Simply brilliant viewing.

Pretty much left Tiger bomb-proof with Nike after that too which was just as well really..

 :)abs magic moment Bookie, was like an advert they would make these days using all kinds of computer graphics. He even judged it well enough to have the Nike tick visible as it dropped. :)

Dustin Johnson and Adam Scott for me this week and of course Harrington/ McDowell to be top Irish player.

Awesome. Just watching that makes me want to go back him.

Hope that Bobbys weather prediction isn't right as I've already gone EW for a few non-previous winners in the hope that one breaks thru Donald Day Furyk Hass Fowler and Dustin J. 

Seem like there is going to be pretty big advantage to early starters on Thursday as far as I can tell... Friday looks fairly consistent throughout the day

deffo looks at the moment that early first day and late 2nd day could be the best draw. The key to the 2nd day could be the overnight rain in the fcast making the course play longer in the morning than the afternoon.

Bubba is crying in his press conference when talking about last years win. Says he is thinking of going solo and leaving the other three golf boys behind  :)

http://www.masters.com/en_US/players/pairings/index.html

they have made it top heavy for the TV times haven't they.

Is there anywhere that i can see a list of all the 72 hole matchbets available?  Specifically I am looking for matches with David Lynn included.

Most of the higher profile books are on there mate but will prob have to check individually with smaller firms.

http://www.oddschecker.com/golf/tournament-matches-specials/72-hole-matches

Thanks mate - needless to say I had spent 25 minutes on there looking for them before posting.....

np, they changed the site a little this year and added the 18 and 72 holers on a different tab.

bollocks I've backed everyone now.  Added Tiger and Phil on the Hills offer and went for a few early starters for first day leader - Toms/Furyk/Rose/Hanson

took  a few flyers on some first round leaders yesterday from the early starters

gay

henley

lynn

garrigus

rose

schwartzel

hopefully one gives me at least a sweat

Dear bobby1..

Can I just say how disappointed I am not to have seen one of your tourny previews on the forum for this years Masters!

Poor form Sir!

Regards

Tom

Ps ..GL for week :)

I've had a disasterous time as far as getting bets matched on betty is concerned.

I was next in line for Sterne @ 260 and Hanson @ 120 before every tipster and his wife put them up and the prices collapsed to 160 and 80 respectively. Hopefully they've saved me a few quid but I would hate to be watching one of them winning without a penny on.

On Poults @ 65 and GGG @ 150.

Hanson @ 80/1 EW 6 places
Charl @ 25/1 EW 6 places

Westy FRL @ 33/1 5 places

GL All

4 ew rags from me

all 5 places

Hanson, Peter 75/1
Johnson, Zach 125/1
Dufner, Jason 70/1
Garrigus, Rob 200/1

Deep sea divers on all

Just 1st Rd leader bets for me so far. Have the below with the *d having nice enough sums running on to them having been placed in e/w doubles with a horse I liked yesterday that copped (/aftertiming):

Rose* @ 18s
Westwood* @ 33s
Snedeker* @ 40s
Sterne @ 150s (not doubled, sigh)

All are 1/4 odds 5pl

I've got Tiger outright. Grace and Yang EW. Westwood and Henley first round leader.

GL everyone

I caved in and got on Hanson @ 80.

I've had a tickle on tiger and Rory to both make an eagle in round 1 and a bet on one of them being leader or joint after round 1.JJust silly novelty bets to cheer on first day!

I've just done Ollie Noonan's on bettingemporium.com 5 e/w picks.  Very very small one point staking from me.

Where's the best place to follow updates whilst I'm at work?  BBC/Masters site/anywhere else?

http://www.majorschampionships.com/masters/leaderboard.html (http://www.majorschampionships.com/masters/leaderboard.html)

Westwood double-bogeys the first..

well played david

be pleasing if his minus 4 is at least worth something in eway money by midnight

somehow going to miss even a small payday here :(

The scores are coming in ever lower as the day progresses. Some good scores still to come, too.

yes if the storms had come in e.t.c

i also had a dustin johnson win only first round leader bet a few weeks back for whatever reason

1 shot short!

god bless couples

looks like a payout will ensue on lynn albeit a smallish one

couples is a very impressive man

That fourteen year-old Chinese kid is phenominally level-headed and mature.

I can barely believe what I saw with that lad. And then he goes & does his interview in English! Perfect manners, too, "thank you Sir".

 
I sense he has the makings of a steely character, & a bit of attitude. Good luck to him.

lol I've now got £2 on him at 999-1.  I gambled that Parnevik would mess up the 18th and the cut would move out to +2

I'm feeling it. It's surely about to happen.

Big bet placed on David Howell to win the Ballentine Open this week.

Not missed a cut all year. 4 Top Tens. Finished 12th here last year between two missed cuts, so decent course form.

Also from Swindon, so when big names are pulling out due to the proximity to N Korea, Howeller has plenty of experience of war zones.

Head down son!

See McDowell won the other week, I've backed him a few times this year and obv wasn't on this time...

I'll flick a score at the Wiltshire boy and hope he can get me weighed in!

Nice steady start Marky

-3 and in Top Ten after first round(Leader -5) with a few stragglers left on course.

From reports our man been ill in bed and didnt even get a praccy round in either, just rucked up and played!

had a go on kyle stanley at 80s with PP 6 places.  Last year he hit form after a mediocre period with an unlucky second followed by a win.  Hopefully he can put in another good performance after last weeks effort.

Last chance saloon Mr H. Long course wont suit, but winding he wont mind. Just hope he over the dose of the shits!

Webb Simo in US

lol that was a filthy sweat as I wished horrible things to happen on various players on the green mile for £25 of place money.

:D

I love anti railing, it's great fun!

For those that can get on. Stan James paying 7 places 1/4 on the TPC this week. Top price on Horschel and Westy which I have backed for interest due to recent form. Seem to be top price on a few others I cross checked too

My picks for The Players Championship:

Billy Horschel (55 Betfair)
4 top 10 finishes in his last 4 events including a victory in his last tournament.

Kevin Streelman (120 Betfair)
3 top 10 finishes in his last 5 events including victory at Tampa Bay.

D.A. Points (190 Betfair)
Winner of the Shell Houston Open and 2nd in the Zurich Classic. Was in contention going into the final round of the Wells Fargo last week.

Kyle Stanley (140 Betfair)
2 top 10 finishes in his last 2 events.

they've only got 6 on their website?  Was ths a limited time thing?

7 places is available only when betting through their mobile site. Decent offer.

What are peoples thoughts on McIlroy to miss the cut at 9/2 with Stans(under their website as to play in the 3rd rd), i know his game seems in decent shape but he has missed all three cuts here and has been clear about his dislike for the place: " "It's a Pete Dye course and I find it very awkward off the tee." "You're hitting across fairways all the time. It creates angles and visually it's very tough off the tee,” he explained. "He makes you feel uncomfortable because it looks like you've only got a little bit of fairway to hit, but actually once you get up there it's a little bit wider."

He hasnt broken 72 in 6 attempts, and the cynic in me thinks he has a few weeks off before Wentworth and would be quite keen to get over to Madrid and see Wozniacki, who lost her 1st rd match a few days ago. I think 9/2 is probably too big.

One small dart flung at Oleson @ 150, another at Tim Clark @ 90.

Hoping that he has now grown to love his new TaylorMade equipment I've had a minor dabble on John Huh huh? @ 280 too.

Whilst hunting around in the bargain-basement I found Sang-Moon Bae @ 840 and I just couldn't resist having a Lady Godiva on. Just one cornetto....

Just one more sorbet as yet unmatched.

Yes thru app

Don't like commenting either way on mcilroy these days. He isn't predictable at all. He could miss the cut but he could win it

Will Tiger feature? He hasn't played too well here for a while but looks back to near his best.

Justin rose EW outright and EW first round leader. He has an all round game and I'm hoping he goes well this week
I have a saver on Tiger win only as if he is in contention I love supporting him!

A few speculative punts on outsiders

Henley EW
Yang EW
Laird EW
Sang Moon Bar EW
Toms EW

Finally got matched on Peter Hanson @ 140 too.

Scott for me again. and Snedeker. I do like the bet on McIlroy to miss the cut though.

Kuchar McDowell and Clark for me.

Peter Hanson had a rather eventful first round.

He started at the tenth and kicking off with a double-bogey then made four birdies to get to -2 before taking a quadruple-bogey 8 at the 18th to turn in +2. He got back to even par then holed a wedge from 100 yards for eagle at his last hole the 9th to finish in 70(-2).

Not a good start. Cant quite see rory missing the cut!

Looks like we could be on for the old Watson/Nicklaus type ding dong with Tiger/Rory based on round one.

Amazing how some players have drifted badly even after good solid starts just cos the 2 main men have started well.

Forum reg Cameron Triangle was 400s, before and even after a -2 he is 750s.
My punt on Bo V P. Again happy with -3 yet gone from 45s to 65s.

Got to be some value somewhere, even if on a place only basis?

Worked out ok, place money for laird and tiger taking it down.

Can't resist chucking some cash at Leishman in the Byron Nelson. Playing well, and good course record. Sure no value at the price, but  pretty sure he should give me a run.

Like perennial fast starter Damien Mcgrane at 50s ew to be first round leader in a terrible Maderia field

I've backed Leishmann too and think he is a bit of value.  Rest of the front of the market definitely have weaknesses.

When did these tournaments start?

They both start tomorrow

Was just teasing Sir Adz, he doesn't usually put up selections until the event has finished.  ;bigadz;

Ah Sir Camel, I have yet to earn your title, but I'm sure I can find someone I backed come Sunday, i have yet to mention ;)

Bradley shoots 60 including two bogeys!

Banthebroom.

I decided to take a week off from punting on golf this week so my boys Bae and Huh huh? appear to have seized their opportunity to do some crushing...

Grrrrrr

Our old friend Jiyai Shin is sneaking into contention as well.

Stop it!

I wouldn't know whether to slash my wrists or hang myself if the double came up.

Could someone just kill me now please  ;reallyamsorry;

I know how you feel mate. One week too late! I knew he would come good soon but didn't play this week! FFS

at least wait till bigadz tells us how he got on this week  ;)

Would anyone know if and where I could find out what price Sang - Moon Bae was in running on Saturday night at around half eight?

Thanks in advance.

The pin has landed on John Huh in Us this week.
Leishman stays in the squad

Brits coming home is order of the day in BMW, with Rarely backed Rory, and cliff Howell leading a squad with Olesen playin a minor role.

ms shin has also been backed. Gl all

Sergio needed to stop talking two weeks ago.

On Ms.Shin in action @ joke's generous 18/1 in The Bahamas this week.

Thrown a few darts at some longershots in the BMW at Wentworth too:

Willett @ 170, Jacquelin @ 150, Larrazabal @ 140, and Dubuisson @ 150.

Just one cornetto...

I've had quite a few bets this week.

BMW, ALL EW 6 places

Rory
Grace
Oleson
Lynn
Rumford

US

Leishman
Huh
Sang moon bae
Yang
Reifers
Gainey

And of course Miss Shin

Not sure I will ever understand golf betting

Backed Huh and Leishman. Both had -4 first  rounds and are top 10, will be top 20 at worst by end of day, yet both are bigger prices..LOL, incred.

Had a little dabble in the bmw after one round

Khan 66/1 bet365
Casey 33/1coral
Jacquelin 140/1 betfair

Good luck me

GG Casey

Casey must be gone in the head. Shoots 80s for fun these days, and too many false dawns. Just cant string two rounds together. V sad.

From the price info published by Betfair in their huge files at http://data.betfair.com/#null it looks like he was 1.96 at 20.27 and 1.86 at 20.34

Was that saturday or Sunday mate?

Sunday

#senility again

Thought so. I think he wanted Saturday for some reason.

Saturday 20.03 12.0 and 20.38 10.0

Pretty sure my two mugs must be falling in love and letting it go to their game. Been in same pairing or next to each other all three rounds.

Started with a promising 66, seemingly birding the same holes, same on day two with 68s, and then yesterday as their love blossomed and their concentration wandered 72s.

Grrrr

I've got half a squeak with Larry the Larrap Larrazabal today.

Hoping for a sweat down the stretch.

Just one cornetto...

GL Ralph.

First non sweat on a Sunday for a while, so funking your man.

ul

Meh!

Surely you greened out a bit of profit.

rofl epic rub

Not at all intentional, if I'd bet him @ 66/1 I'm damn sure I'd have found a spot of greengageaments @ evens or better in the playoff.

I was feeling really sick as I so nearly bet on Perry @ 14/1 in the seniors this week but as he's just inexplicably imploded on the back nine I'm actually feeling slightly relieved.

pusssssssssay  ;)

Backed EW so no didn't hedge in play. Wasn't watching either as was out playing golf enjoying the weather

Had an early look at the memorial betting. I like to back previous strong performers at the venue. Tiger is overwhelmingly the favourite due to his current form and form on this course but at 9/4 is unbackable IMO. for value hunters i like:

Kenny Perry 300/1 ( few firms) he has won it three times
Ernie Els 80/1 BV (6 places paid ew). Also previous winner and decent showing in the BMW just gone

It seems most approach these tournies with a larger portfolio than I do, with 4/5/6 selections per Tourny.

Wont bore you with reasons, but

Nordea

Illonen(Nap)
Santos
Karlberg
Blixt
Casey(!)

Memorial

Kuchar(Nap)
Fowler
Leishman
Furyk
McIiroy.

Few cross doubles chucked in for good measure etc. GL

I've left that Nordic Open in BigAdz's capable hands this week but I have a selection of cornettos in the other two.

On my main girl Jiyai Shin @16/1 EW in the LPGA shopaholics event.

For some reason which is beyond my comprehension Sang-Moon Bae is available @240 on betty in The Memorial prompting a dart to be thrown, the guy just won a couple of weeks ago ffs.

Also had a dabble @440 on Shane Lowry who jet-lag notwithstanding appears to be in the form of his life so worth a tickle imo.

Mine's a 99 please..

Rory and miss Shin cross EW Double

Happy with the start in Sweden.

All the players bar Casey been on the front page at some stage, Blixt in 2nd as I type.

Memeorial looking bleak, although Koooooooooch has started with -4 and is tied 7th.

Go team!

The LPGA hwebsite has the Tournament starting today and says it's a 71 Hole competition.
I was struggling to work out if it was 3 or 4 rounds, now im just struggling altogether, are they moising out a Hole one of the Days?haha

I had a look earlier, too.

As far as I can see, it is a 3 day/Round Tournament, starting today.

Miss Shin tees off, I think, just after 9am local.

54-hole tourney, Fri./Sat./Sun.

All LPGA tourneys used to be 54-holes apart from their majors which were 72-holes, but nowadays the shorter form is more like the exception than the rule.

Can only go south from here

T1   Matteo Manassero   -12   5   16/1
T1   Mikko Ilonen    -12   5   28/1
T3   Bernd Wiesberger   -11   18   22/1
T3   Julien Quesne   -11   14   150/1
T3   Alexander Noren   -11   7   14/1
T3   Jonas Blixt   -11   7   40/1
7   Rikard Karlberg   -10   8   150/1
T8   Henrik Norlander   -9   18   66/1

Impressive tippage thus far Adzy even if your team has grown somewhat.

Talk about gilding the lily ;)

LOL. Not all mine. That was a cut from SL website. Just the 3 of mine in that lot, from the 5 above...

Yani Tseng's driving distance over the first two rounds this week is 280yds.+

Both Naps 2 clear with a round to go.

Its gonna go so wrong, so nice profit taken out of each and will keep fingers crossed on the doubles!

Top bombing in Europe Adzy, GL getting the double up.

I think Tiger's missus must be sticking pins in a doll and loving every minute of this week's performance, it's almost as though Tiger thinks I've lumped on him.

Anyone take the 9/4 those generous bookie-chaps were offering?

Thanks for the tip Adzy. Hope you went for the nap double. Happy days!!!

Picked a good time to sack golf betting off... Well played mate, great results!

Thanks mate. Was a near 800-1 double, so a good weekends work.

Good to feel the love and support of so many of the forum........... ;)

I do worry about you sometimes son.... Gets the absolute lot, but feel aggrieved that everyone who knocked it in hasn't patted him on the head ;)

Fantastic double. Well done.

After time.gif I was on Kuchar aswell, sure did get anything close in Nordea.

Step aside, Segal.


 ;bigadz;

wow quite superb well done

Once more into the breach my friends..

It's the first ladies' major this week The Wegman's LPGA tourney.

Moraya Jutanugarn who was leading going into the final round last week is still available @100/1 in a couple of spots. I'm on EW and I think it looks generous.

Her little sister Ariya who is a year younger and plays on the European ladies's tour is also playing this week and is best-priced @16/1 due to her higher world ranking I imagine. She is undoubtedly a burgeoning talent but that looks a little skinny to me.

At first I thought that they had got the two sisters mixed up in the books as I assumed that older sister Moraya, who plays on the LPGA tour, would be shorter as she's been in very good form this season featuring on a lot of leader-boards but it all seems fine.

I also snaffled some early 33/1 on Ms.Shin  ::) even though this is usually a course that suits the "bombers" judging by recent results. Jiyai has managed a couple of 3rd place finishes in the last few years.

One of these weeks I'm going to do an Adzy....

Scott Stallings and the Elephant Man for me in St Jude

I asked Adz about his picks, but he can't get onto the forum to post them at the moment for some reason.

I believe young Ariya has had to withdraw from the Tournament.

Thrown small interest darts in the St Jude at Tringale (in case he tries to spite-win when I'm not on ;)) and Harris English.

I went for Harris English and Russell Henley.

I've added Yani Tseng @50/1 EW to my Wegman's ladies portfolio.

She's been out of form so far this season but has shot some good scores intermingled with some not so good ones recently which I'm taking some encouragement from. Surely 50/1 is too big. Unfortunately missed the fleeting 55/1 yesterday.

Hopefully the rain will abate and the delayed tourney will get under way today.

Morning. Finally able to get on at last.

Altho it started may as well post em.

Balls out, allin on Jimenez in Austria. 20s was massive for a bloke playing himself into form in this weak field.

Also like Henley and Booo. So stables cut down again but week before US Open fancied a few maybe having their eyes elsewhere, and trying things out, so sticking to players in form who shouldn't be tinkering! GL

Welcome back Adzy!

Was starting to wonder if you were a bad winner and not talking to us lot any more now that you have got the absolute lot ;)

I really fancied Jimenez this week too and am kicking myself for not betting accordingly. I figured that Weisburger was under-priced due to home "advantage" which is not neccessarily that because of the added pressure of expectation.

Yup, pretty much my logic too.

Does the LPGA just go wherever the weather is worst in the world each week?! Incred

Ms.Shin and I are both teeing off at 1.32pm today.

Hopefully she'll score considerably better than I do.

I followed you in on this one Ralph, but only managed 22s sigh

First time I've not backed her when put up for an age, so you're looking good boys  :)up

The ladies are playing 36 holes today teeing off from 6.30am local time.

I quite fancy Yani Tseng to make a run at the top of the leaderboard.

R, all your efforts should be behind Ms Shin a few off the lead. Don't dilute your cheering tokens.

Ms Shin having a little run at this 3 behind in second atm

A shame Ms.Shin dropped a shot at the last, still shot 69(-3) and in with a shout.

These ladies play slow.

Ms.Shin's 3-ball took 5 hours, so 36 holes is a real endurance test for them.

We have a decent sweat though as she's tough as teak behind her nerdy exterior.

Looks like no more than 30-odd minutes between rounds.

In golfing parlance I think Ms Shin maybe what is known as a Postman. She don't deliver on Sundays...

It´s hard to be more wrong than this. Her record on Sundays is absolutely incredible.

Don't spoil it.... I only heard it said this week, and wanted to use it...

Meanwhile back in Memphis variance appears to have struck...

Right up the Aris :)

meh

btw I thought that was the worst tv coverage I have ever experienced.

Top bombing Ralph.

Typically the first of yours I haven't chucked a few bob on. But mine weren't even sighted, wp.

'I'll knock the golf on the head until after Vegas, and keep all my extra dough for the strippers cashgames'

Obviously Adz pulls an 800/1 double out of his ass last week, and Ralph whose picks I have been following longer than I've been eating too much KFC nips one himself this week!

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Well done boys :)

Well done to Hector too who also picked English and commiserations to a very unlucky doubleup Dave who appeared all but home and dry with Stallings.

I feel that Ms.Shin's bogey at the 18th in her first round yesterday was a huge psychological blow and in my mind that cost her the title.

Well done the English supporters  ;)

Is it really 32 years since Merion last hosted the US Open? - not many forumites will remember the winner.  I actually watched it after playing Carnoustie (3 4* 5 finish btw).  Tikay and Karabiner wouldn't remember it as they would have still been in rehab from the 60s and 70s.


Anyway what are people thoughts on the weather?  It looks like wet on Thursday and drying out on Friday.  Given the normally fast greens will this favour late starters on Thursday - they will be early second round starters so should get the best scoring conditions on a shortish course.

hmmm read Phils post on tips for tikay -- seems that the wind a lot stronger than the forecast I looked at.



*ok I bounced over the bridge at the 17th

My darts for the US Open.

Scott- got to keep with him after I had him in the Masters

Schwartzel- always seems to be consistent

Mannasero- I think straight hitting good putters will be suited by this course


And 3G in the first round leader market

Going Westwood and Rose
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Stands Back

Schwartzel is my top pick this week @42, also on Harrington @160.

Kaymer @120, Cabrera @150, and Poults @140.

Small darts at Schwartzel and Harrington for 1st round leader and a few assorted 3-ball bets complete my bulging quiver.

GL everyone.

VC paying 1/4  1-7

Snedeker
D Johnson
Ryan Palmer
Rus Henley
Angel Cabrera

Ryan Moore, Paul Casey 1st Round leader.

Fowler, + random few darts. 

looking at the weather from

http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/graph/Ardmore+PA+USPA0051:1:US?pagenum=4&nextbeginIndex=42

it seems to me that early starters on thursday should have soft greens and the lowest winds.  The late starters might get a weather delay but the winds persist on friday when they either resume or start their rounds.

So I've gone entirely for early starters 1st round leader and winnner.

Mickleson Snedeker Schwartzel Hanson Boo Sergio 1st round leaders EW bets

Hunter Mahan Mickleson Snedeker Schwartzel Sergio EW for tornament.

PP paying 7 on mobile too.

Snedeker and Westwood e/w

sigh

play suspended already

my cunning plan in ruins

 :'(

They appear to have a selection of Nora Batty's hats on the pins instead of flags.

I'm on Harrington @ 3.3 in his 3-ball v's Garcia and Cink.

All three of them are +4 through 11  ::)

LOL, Serge was 7 over earlier. Rollercoaster

First round leader mickelson 2.5 on bf
Any good?

Not a chance with David Howell on the course.......lol

3G lands the e/w part of 1st round leader - now watch him plummet down the leaderboard in the 2nd round.

Phil holds under severe pressure was going to put a saver on goggin as he had the easier finish, but moved to -2 just as I was about to press the button.

I backed Schwartzel ew 1st round leader with StanJames as they were 6 places so I got a ten way tie for 6th  ;)

Woods does wind me up.

Whenever he hits a bad shot, something hurts. Good shot, nada.

If it hurts that much, he wouldn't play.

Man up.

LOL. Point proved. Puts it in thicker rough, drops club, elbow.

Next shot from thicker rough, knocks it to 3 feet. No pain!!  LOL

Fkn aftertimer.  ;bigadz;

Has Luke Donald ever really contended in a major?

He's just a money making machine in the smaller events but can't cut it in the tournaments which matter.

Any guesses for the winning score tomorrow?

You'd take level par now and let them try and beat it wouldn't you?

Definitely. Poults should have declared when he was -3 after three holes.

How far down can I realistically look for the winner?

Tiger 8s

Ernie 80s

Same score.....hmmm

Love the course.

Great to see a totally different challenge to the ones pros normally face,

Amen to that.

Love to see "proper" rough, too.

Absolutely with you guys, it gets boring when it's simply longest wins.

Whoever wins this will have played the best golf.

At the risk of premature after timing, just like to thank whoever wanted to back Donald at < 3/1, that will pay for a nice meal at Prime.

#he'llneverwinamajor

I wouldn't be counting my chips just yet.  If he is ever going to win a major surely this is it.  The course is just made for is game.

If I don't get a decent payout tonight I'm giving up golf betting for the sake of my health!

Some picking that mate!

I'm on nothing, so will just sweat your boys and hope you get weighed in :)

I'll be happy if Schwartzel wins for you Davie ;)

Nice stable though.

GL tonite Double.

Nice picks. Got small beer on Phil after my bunch of wasters went south. So he shall get the Adz cheers. GL

Don't know whether I like Mickelson or not.

Always thought this "nice family guy" was an act for the cameras/sponsors.

But to fly 5 hours through the night across country for a early tee time so he could be at his daughters graduation suggests it isn't an act. (Although he wouldn't let it be known to anyone if he wasn't doing partly to look good!)

I thought he was too sugar sweet as well Camel, and had similar thoughts when his wife had the Big C. He gave up his career for a year or so just to look after her.

I think when you have so much money, and comfort in your life it must be easier to smile, not matter what your golf is like!

I read a tweet yesterday that said Phil was still signing autographs at the course 3 hours after his round, long after all the other players had been whisked off back to their hotels. Can't see Tiger doing that.

Maybe I have become just too cynical and perhaps he's just a really nice guy.

Go Phil!

Apparently a huge punter.... Must get some brownie points for that ;)

Having laid him and slagged him off, I've just backed Luke Donald to win his two ball today!

I think Phil is just a really genuine guy. I think (unlike most pro sportsmen), that he realises how lucky his is in life and he just likes to give back

About 5 years ago, I wasnt sure, but now I just cant help but root for hiim when he is in the hunt

Supplemented Billy Horschel into my gang @ 20

Got to love a talented headcase with dodgy dress-sense.

Why have they got stupid baskets on top of the pins?

Out of respect for Nora batty's hats I think.

Rory spending too much time with Tiger, even down to the letting go of the club, as well as playing Yuri Geller with his clubs. Tut Tut....

Proper mug punter. Years ago Yonex paid off all of his gambling debts of millions for him to play their clubs and sign with them. I get the impression that whilst he is a top bloke, loves the fans and has incred wedge tekkers he aint all that bright! Has a permanent simpleton grin on his face

Believe me that Donald is never going to win a major yet?

Playing like a 15 handicapper.

If Dufner can somehow get to +2 he's got a squeak here

Don't forget that the "par" for the last four holes is probably +2.

I know they are tough, but the geezer is on fire.

Just took the 33/1.

I'd more than settle for him finishing +3.

Brutal on the greens from Charl

Oh well, £15 gone down the swanee.

Is Monty trying to be annoying or is he just a natural?

Well done Justin def deserved.

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Stands Forward

Nicely done sir.wpwp

Did Colin Montgomery manage to talk about himself while Rose was celebrating?

Tremendous LOL

Nice one Trev  ;D

Thanks guys.

What a splendid interview from Justin, a true gent

Great sweat there, and result too!

Very enjoyable to watch that, and glad he managed to hold too :)

Stricker and Schwartz with ridiculous last rounds. Woulda thought they'd be two of the steadiest. Schwartel looked gravely ill, his face was sheet white!

Towards the end on betfair I was amazed at the money that appeared for Rose back or lay.  Are these guys just waiting for hours just to back or lay at the shortest odds?

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It is probably just the effect of the field getting whittled down. From people trading on hundreds of possible winners, to about 30 on the last day, to just Rose on the last hole

Harris English again in the States with Stenson to beat Garcia in a 72 hole match bet in the European thingy.

"I'm green on the top 3 in the market" brag post imo

Ms.Shin is 14/1 this week in arkinsaw, a tourney she has C+D form on.

A nod's as good as a wink right?

Not to mention his £17M balance  ::)

Hoffman/Castano

X

Els/Howell(I know)

Jimenez @ 46, Uhlein @ 55, and lynn @ 66/1 EW in the BMW.

Waggledancer Dufner @ 27 and Huh huh? @ 75 in the US.

GL

Pot committed :D

Nice start Ernest!

Nice start Charley Hoffman...lol

Another long sweat ahead hopefully.....shouldn't complain!!

Should look a bit closer at first round leader markets I think ;)

Jimenez and Uhlein showing signs of life in Europe.

Maybe they'll give Ernie a run for my money.

John Huh(huh?) also sparking in The Travellers for possible dual squeakage.

Ms.Shin is about to tee off..... ;technolog;

Big fan of Miguel, but he seems almost content to be peoples champ, and when the pressure on........queue easy victory!

Another big day tomorrow. GL me!!

N1 Ernie. Now go get em Charley Hoff!!

ul adz Hoffman becoming a bit of a choker. 

Well done to Ken Dook for finally winning.

Hoffman is a big talent but an absolute nutter when faced with adversity.

Good picking with Ernie, Adzy.

Back to the drawing board for me..

US Womens Open

Are we chasing Ji Yai Shin??

Those LPGA Ladies' Open courses are usually a bit too long for her.

This one is over 6800 yds. which is long by ladies' standards.

I'll probably have a small bet on her for old time's sake but would need 25/1+.

Who are you going for then Ralph?

I'm struggling to find any value in the market Trevor.

Inbee Park has been winning almost every week lately but 5/1 is short enough, Stacey Lewis probably makes most appeal @ 14/1 but I'm holding fire for now.

Think I'll prob have a go with Garrigus as first round leader at Congressional

25s at Coral, suppose you want 6 places now!!!!

Thought I'd try to beat Adzy to the punch.

McDowell/Ilonen

X

Day/Stallings

And the following 4 players have all been in the mix after the first round the last couple of weeks:

Alexander Levy, Tom Lewis, Andy Sullivan and Estanislao Goya.

Best prices (e/w of course) at SkyBet it would seem.

Dabbled on Willett and larrazabal both @70 in the Irish Open.

Fancied Sterne as well but failed to get matched @60 as Palmer put him up so he's now way too short for me and almost definitely nailed-on FTW.

Matched @36 on JYS in the US Ladies just in case ;)
Just found some 19! for Stacy Lewis(top price 14/1) on betty and hoovered it.

A small interest on my old/new best mate Harris English @65 in the AT+T too.

Weeee. Signal at last.

From memory

Palmer/Laird
x
Bjorn/Rock

Had some mad singles on Maggert and Dr Noh(recall he did well here last yr)

GL all.

gone for palmer as well 1st round leader and outright both EW

US darts thrown at Horschel and English.

Irish darts at Lowry, Luiten, and Uihlein.

Got a tiny bit matched on Cabrera now too.

Did not get anything matched on Dr Noh or Tringale so those two are probably the men to watch this week  ::)

I'm not sure if they're taking the absolute piss or not but according to the LPGA website Ms.Shin has started her campaign to win the Ladies' US Open title with a nine on the par-four tenth hole.

A FUCKING NINE FFS.

In the words of one Michael Jagger esq. "I used to love her but it's all over now".

Possibly...

I knew they were on the wind up it's been amended to an eight.

Jason Day e/w for me

Not seen any of coverage, but I see the Rock is joint leader. Weekly sweat is on! ;)

LOL. Painful

First week for ages not had a decent bet on Casey. Knew he was coming to form and missed out, but the place on Rob Rock at 125s sure eases the pain.

FWIW SJ a stand out 80s on Casey for Open, best elsewhere 50s

Roll on next week!

Thrown a dart at Roberto Castro in the US - played well last week and top ten in this trny last year.

First time with decent signal for a while and get a half decent chance to have a look.

Easy this week, not very exciting though

John Deere= Stricker. Bad on form and its his tourny. Not playing Open and won it 3 from last four years and still placed last year when not playing so well. Good showing In US Open, and cut down on schedule.
If looking for an outsider,its a putters course in my head, so looked at the decent putters....Aaaron Baddley, Bryce Molder, Greg Chalmers, all treble figures and not in form, but all decent on thier day. A few Betty prices on them methinks

Scottish Open is a lottery, with all eyes on Open the following week and everyone tinkering etc. One bloke I said I was gonna back next time regardless, as he is on the edge of a real decent performance is Alex Noren. No real weakness in his game at the moment, just one hole seems to kill him last few tournies.

Had decent bets on both Stricker and Noren ew and an ew double. GL

Oh dear. Pretty sure only three of us read this thread, so hopefully no damage, but Mr Noren played rather poorly today...the git....best get the apologies in early :redcard:

On Larry the Larrap Larrazabal small this week as my sole interest, who recovered well from an early double-bogey on a pick-up par5 but no picks in the US.

Keeping what's left of my powder dry for Muirfield.

UK darts  Lowry and Gallagher

US darts  Glover and Strelman

Anything on The Open yet?  Might be heading down there on the wednesday so will see how they get on in practise :)

Cabrera @180 and Horschel @200 so far for me.

Big Phil hitting a shot over his head and onto the green at Muirfield, plus there's one he did earlier.


http://blogs.golf.com/presstent/2013/07/video-mickelson-hits-backward-lob-shot-at-muirfield.html

Magic!

I've had a dabble at Faldo in his first round 3-ball @9 on betty.

I just can't believe he's turned up for a bit of fun knowing the man.

Remember Greg Norman a few years ago?

On Wood first round leader ew @ 100/1 1-6

Not sure who he is, but Adz text me from the longest honeymoon in the world asking me to get on for him.

Anyone know how schartwzel's rib injury is?

Betfred going 8 places from 10am-6pm today all channels, they will probably slash all their prices just before but they havent as of yet. If they dont Gmac @ 25/1 with 8 places is very hard to resist.

I'm generally loathed to follow these weather forecasts as they are often proved wrong, but there is a strong suggestion that you probably want a late/early draw by the looks of things. 10mph stronger breeze on both days for those drawn on the other half.

http://www.myweather2.com/activity/forecast.aspx?loc=Five%20Day%20Weather%20Forecast%20for%20Muirfield&rt=plugin&id=141385&sday=1
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?hourly=1&query=zmw:00000.5.03174&yday=198&weekday=Thursday

On that basis, Gmac is main selection with darts thrown at Danny Willett, Marcus Fraser, Thongchai Jaidee, Ryan Moore, Stephen Gallacher and Harris English.

Good luck all.

gone EW with PP for snedeker, sergio and mcdowell  -- rory, phil mcdowell and miguel h for first round leader ew

Gone for Day to win, Gmac and oosthuizen top 10!

Hoping Day gives me a sweat at least

Am on M.Laird, Garcia, R.Fowler, W.Simpson and M.Siem  all EW 7places except Siem,Fowler,Laird who are 8places

and  TOP 20finish at 7/2 @ 5/1 respectively on Laird and Siem

Gmac and dart choices Lawrie, Olesen, Wood, Horschel, Ramsay, Sterne

Horschel, Fowler, Cabrera, Lowry and Poults so far.

A couple of long-priced darts to come.

Most days are giving me a sweat at the moment, it may cool down by the middle of next week.

Anyone got a spread acct? I want to get on something...

Sporting Index love me

Thought that I might as well post up my selections here (all e/w at PP or Bet365 ... 7 places):

Banker:
Jason Day

Bullets:
Tano Goya (he is my 3G/ Ms. Shin/ Dr. No)
Chris Wood (everyone on Fred seems to have him)
Scott Stallings (accurate shot maker who gets nervous when there's water ... no water here)
Jordan Spieth (would be a great story if he won)

My picks for The Open....

Tiger
Webb Simpsom
Nick Watney
Lee Westwood
GMac
Big Phil

is McIlroy carrying some timber and rocking moobs or is it me?

Jesus that Maureen women needs sacked...... Horrendous commentator and never gets anything accurate!

Justin Rose
Rory McIlroy *&^^!
Jason Day
Charl Schwrartzel
Rickie Fowler
Padraig Harrington
Jason Dufner
Webb Simpson
Bubba Watson
jim Furyk
Martin Laird
Keegan Bradley
Billy Horschel
Jamie Donaldson
Bill Haas
Brandt Snedeker
Adam Scott
Lee Westwood
Henrik Stenson
Matt Kuchar
Louis Oosthuizen
Graeme McDowell
Jordan Speith
Vijay Singh

all 7 0r 8 places e/w
free bets as savers on Mickelson and Woods

There does seem to be some issues with the scoreboard at the minute, think I need more than 1 place to break even.

^^

You'll do well to keep that lot out of the frame doobs ;)

Oosthuizen has pulled out injured, what happens to my bet on bet fair?

the layer will be collecting

Does anyone know where i can see the field scoring stats on 18? Ideally how many bogey or worse scores on day 1?

There were 55 Bogeys on the 18th hole yesterday, & it was the third hardest hole, after 1 & 15. .

;)


http://espn.go.com/golf/stats/hole

CORRECTION!

55 bogeys, 13 doubles, & 1 "other".

Wow I'm loving the buy at 180, can only get harder. Lets funk for a big tie at 70 players :)

Disappointing to see plenty empty seats in Grandstands

Thin.

I searched all over for the bet, but could not find it.

Damn you. I say, damn you.

Time to get my voodoo doll out.

I'm cheering ABP!




















(Anyone But Poulter)

super banzai £5 ew Ernie @ 500-1 with corals.

Thrown betfair darts at Ben Curtis, Molonarri, Moore and GMac again at silly prices

Peter Alliss does not look at all well. I know he is not everyone's cup of tea, & he is certainly no angel in business & money matters, but I hope he is OK, I really enjoy his laconic style.

I really love the Ken Brown "on-course" inserts, too, proper great lad.

I saw Peter in the flesh about 2 months ago and he looked ok, lets just hope he is under the weather.

Yes. He seems to have lost a lot of weight, not a good sign in a man of his years, and he does not strike me as the type to diet.

Ken was a better player than given credit for - the generation of european players he competed against will probably never be equalled for talent.

Agreed. He used to be quite fiery, and short-tempered, but he has mellowed with age.

If I could choose someone to talk and walk me round any golf course, he would be near the top of the list.

I like Ken Brown's slightly oddball style and am a big fan of Mark James too.

Westy catching some great breaks today!  Gowan fella

I have a mental picture of chompy pulling on his max-laying boots.

LOL, Westy deserves a break for wearing that orange shirt!

Apols for the Wood bet. It pissed down in Norway all week and I was unaware it was a heatwave over here, having made assumptions based on what I expected to be similar conditions!..Poor research....

Anyone but Tiger please!

No bets on anyone.

But really really want Westwood to win it tomorrow.

Top bloke, could be his last chance.

Just posted this on the TfT thread:

Looking at The Open leaderboard after the 3rd round, I think there must be some value in Hunter Mahan or Adam Scott.  Both priced 8/1.   E/w 1/4 odds top 3 places.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Westwood is indeed a top bloke and I would be delighted to see him win.

It would be a well overdue and justly deserved major.

The truth is that I really really want Cabrera to win and why oh why did he get so greedy on the 18th after hitting a virtually perfect drive?

Tikay shame you never got on....at 226 with a round to go, buy was 180

+1 to really hoping Westwood gets it done tmoro.

Westwood would complete a pretty impressive month for British sport (in before someone says Froome doesn't count; apparently his dad is English and his mother's British parents emigrated to Kenya; we've definitely cheered more questionable flagbearers).

I liked Westwood's interview tonight. When asked how he would cope tonight, he said he should be fine, as he was going for dinner and he was quite experienced with a knife and fork. I also liked that he admitted he'd picture himself lifting the trophy at some point but that it would be all business come 3pm.

The margin for error is so tiny and one approach shot going in for an Albatross couls see someone going from also-ran to Champ. Going to be quite a spectacle.

Need to have an interest today so,

Hope to see one of two things happen.

Westwood shows some resolve in a final round and streaks clear

Someone around +2/3 gets on a streak Sned/Day/Johnson/Garcia(all capable of low low rounds) and posts an early final score around -2.

Got everything else wrong so far, so why stop now!

Good luck today, Flushy.  156 so far, you need 181 I assume.

http://espn.go.com/golf/stats/hole

Pardon the aftertiming, but as I co-Hosted a Golf Betting Preview TV Show, it is only fair I list my Open golf bets.

Kaymer

Kuchar

Grace

Bjorn

Wood (Chris)

It's a gift, a natural talent, to be able to pick selections like that.

There's an old chess adage that finding the worst move on the board is just as difficult as finding the best.

come onnnnnnnn GOLF.

Heart says Westy, Wallet says Tiger (or Cabrera, seems unlikely)....

Either would be fine by me :)

would be properly fancying my cabrera bet if they only played 15 holes yday

Just had to listen to the Doris on BBC moan about Muirfield not letting in lady golfers.

Nothing against Lady golfers, but this really gets my goat. At our club they wanted full equality, but when it was agreed and they were told they had to pay the same fees as the men, they were up in arms!

I notice her mention that there are many Women Only Clubs, which I was unaware of, so touche BBC Doris, you just scuppered your own argument, me thinks.

I also note that whenever I turn on golf coverage it is fronted by a woman, BBC or Sky....nuff said, rant over, lets get on with the real deal.

She didn't moan once, she posed some excellent questions.

I want Westy to win....Woods slightly better result for me - but live Westy to win.

Perfect result Woods to be Westy, Mickleson places. For savers on Ryan Moore and Molonari.

Gtfo Hunter

If Paul Lawrie could replay his first round he could well be leading by six shots.

Have to disagree. She was really quite pointed. As I said, when women set up their own golf clubs they can hardly moan when traditional clubs like Muirfield maintain their stance.

She did make some fair points about juniors, tbf

Cheers Ralph......

Not sure that Mahan is a good pairing for Westy. Would have preferred to see him with Woods and eyeball it(regardless of how Woods plays).

We shall see. Excited!!!

Doubles are 3pts and others are 5 :) we are printing all day long

Wow, you'll win more on that than in the entire WSOP.

pretty sure it was already more profitable than the WSOP when it was on 101 lol

I hope the camel is wearing his IPJ design Union Jack trousers this afternoon.

Poults going eagle birdie birdie could add some excitement here

Shaping up to be a great days golf.

Obv would love Westy to win

Edit: poults adds another birdie to I even par!

Can't be many 5 hole runs that read 3, 3, 3, 3, 3

Gotta love poults

Come on the Gooner......!!

Still think the course is unfair Phil?

He will be endlessly reminded of his somewhat churlish remarks after day one, though to be fair, he apologised fully and publically a day later.

Really pleased he has won, he is a worthy champion and, for the most part, a great Ambassador for the game.

Should have done the forecast  :D

Completely agree.

Did he apologise fully?

I saw an interview on BBC where he said it was wrong of him not to praise the lot of good things the R&A does and has done with the course. Seemed to me a politician's way of not apologising for the remarks he made.

The sport is arguably better for having characters and comments like his and Poulter's are broadly beneficial for the marketing of the game. We all love seeing a good hissy fit.

He shot a score that didn't seem possible today and that's what history will remember. Quite right, too.

I agree with you Tal, best get that out of the way before the footie starts again.

Mickelson scathingly said in that interview after the first round that "a third of the greens had died" and I was a little disappointed that he never admitted subsequently that he was quite mistaken in his assumption unless that third made a Lazarusesque comeback.

The truth of the matter was that the R+A undertood the nature of the greens at Muirfield far better than he did.

Having said that I'm a big Mickelson fan for so many reasons and am delighted to see him win, well as much as I can be delighted for anyone who in the end cost me money.

If an amateur places in a pro golf tournament does a caddie still get the % of the prize money he would as if he was on the bag of a pro?

No, well yes as in a %age of nothing ;)

Bit harsh.

If an amateur wins the Open, caddy miss out on 100 lumps

Caddies are paid by the player.

If you caddy for an amateur you know where you stand.

I'm looking for a caddy next Sunday btw ;)

You should be playing the 6 Max at DTD next weekend. Should be a terrific weekend.

Do you have the slightest idea how bad I am at 6-max holdem?

Hopefully Keith will play and have time for a quick nine holes with us before he TID's on Sunday.

You too are invited to either play, caddy or be official photographer.

Keith is too old to play 6 Max.....

If Keith pays 9 holes before play starts on DTD day 2, I will come along as your personal Bruce Harmen and Lord Snowdon combined.

Are you really looking for a caddy ? I might be able to do it for you. Could be fun, but you will have to advise on clubs for distances

I'm not quite sure what's happening yet yet but I'll let you know.

Sorry Ralph forgot to get back to you before
Brighton GUKPT same weekend so no can do :(

I notice our old friend Mr Noh popped up for a short while last week on the leaderboard.

He also finished quite high up in last years Canadian Open, and if I recall, improved from round to round.

Maybe worth a nibble of Betty

No bets for me this week in The Canadian Open at Glen Abbey.

I used to live in Canada many moons ago mostly in Toronto where I spent most of my time playing snooker for money and consequently getting to know most of the good players, some of whom were golfers in the three months of the year that the weather permitted the game to be played.

I did actually play Glen Abbey once with a Mr Thorburn c1976/7.

<edit>The memory plays tricks especially mine from that era ( I blame smoke-inhalation) so I have amended the date as the course was only opened in 1976.

The good Dr Noh finished better than he started at -2, was +3 i think earlier.

Chapman put up a good case for Rocco in the seniors and he started nicely, and shall be my staple event next few days.

This thread almost falls off the 1st page  :o

Have all the golf punters gone skint?

I've gone for the defending champ Keegan Bradley at 40s at Firestone.  Might go for some others but a bit distracted this week by being in the invited studio audience (with voting rights) in a Sheriff court trial.

Chad Campbell in Reno with the unique format, should suit his boom or bust attitude, with boom being rewarded more than bust is penalised! Same as Stefani.

Dustbin at the long Bridgestone course, and Adam Scott makes up the 2x2 for me

GL

I've taken a bit of a flyer on Lizette Salas @120 in the British Ladies' Open.

My Lizzie is playing well and I just might get a decent sweat.

She shot a lovely opening 68(-4) followed by an almost equally flawless round apart from one poor shot on the thirteenth hole which cost her a triple-bogey when she was serenely coasting at -7 within hailing distance of the leaders, consequently only shooting a level-par 72 in the second round.

I'm still hopeful that Liz can do the biz.

Tiger goes 7 shots clear in the Bridgestone after shooting a 9 under 61 in round two. Jeez.

Testing conditions for the ladies at St Andrew's today with only one player currently under par for today's round and that a mere -1 through twelve holes.

It does mean that anyone shooting a sub-par round today will go rocketing up the leader-board. I predict big swings in the 20/25mph wind.

The Old Lady is showing these ladies her teeth.

Tiger 1.12, never seen a better 1-9 shot and never will again

I laid him at 3.8 and pressed at 1.9  :(

Just hope Keegan can get me some place money to pay the bill

Lizzie came 6th in The Ladies' Open :(

Oooh, fine effort Ralph.

A few little dabbles matched on huge outsiders rummaged from the bargain-basement so far for oak Hill.

Larry the Larrap Larrazabal @ 1000, Rafa Cabrera-Bello @ 840, marcel Siem @620, and Shane Lowry @ 850.

Also gone for my man Billy Horschel @ 160 and Matteo Manassero @250.

All aboard, ding-ding.

in the pga

1st round leader

sned mahan haas rickie f and a miniscule bit on mickleson as most of the bet not matched

winner

haas

clark

mahan

You put your long putts in
your short putts lip out
in, out, in out,
you roffle all about
you do the Kohki Idoki
and complete your round
that's what it all about

ooohhhhhhh Kohki Id (i) oki
ooohhhhhhh Kohki Id (i) oki
ooohhhhhhh Kohki Id (i) oki
head still, 2 putt, par par par

Taken a punt on Rory finding the magic today. I'll be satisfied with -8 in the club house

Is Furyk a decent front-runner? Was speaking to a golfist the other day who said he has him as a bit of a twitcher when the pressure is on.

Is he worth opposing?

ice cream golf generalist here

I had Furyk down as a bad front runner, and maybe dufner too...not sure the technique there is teak tough when the going gets...

Scott and Stenson, happier to suggest they would stay out front if it happened

a writer this morning was offering that there was value outside the top 5-6 because several of the front 4 could come back/implode/feel the pressure

They are a way back but you can see Westwood or Rory(presume they are paired) geeing each other along. If one of them gets a flier, game on and they will get support from the other.

Have felt good about Stenson all week, but now we are there, not so confident. Duff has looked shaky every time he looks like going away. Not a fan of JF, but looks the most solid.

I think Dustin J owes me a very nice car, and he will get the banzai bet.

This is going to be a great round of golf! Bums on seats for this tonight!

Gl with your bets folks

I don't think you can make that statement about Furyk.  He has won 16 tournaments lifetime including a major.  There is no doubt he has had moments where he has thrown leads away but that can happen to anyone.  It happened to Adam Scott/Rory etc.  At the end of the day there is a lot of variance in these things.  You can hit the water with a drive when you are 8 shots behind just as easily as when in the lead yet everyone that does it whilst leading is labelled a bottler...

Lots of birdies and bogeys being throw around today! Going to be a fun ride I think

was looking at the stats for us open and pga for the last 8 years or so. Don't think anyone has come from any more than 4 back to win.  I'm just waiting to see Scott on the first couple of holes, if he's hitting it straight (he wasn't yesterday) I think he might be value.

Rory started 4 behind and won by 4 so it's a little misleading

Also it's not tiger leading the field either

I think it will be fairly static at the top, chasers will have a chance if they can apply pressure early and get in the club house with a solid score

behind who? won what?

My bad wasn't a major

Betfair swings are hilarious. One vaguely off centre drive from Furyk and he drifts half a point. Balls of steel some of these punters....not!!


Rory sinks a put and a third comes of his price and he is still 5 behind. Magic

Rory into 9s! Already wondering when I should green out!

LOL. Too late!

Roffle! Into 9s out to 300s in 1 hole!

At least I can watch law and order at 9pm now

Taken a nibble of Rory @ 250 to try and get out

Lolz! Punters gonna punt! Watching law and order whilst railing bf! Gg monies!

After a blinding first and third in the PGA, which I felt obliged to keep low key about on TFT....... ;whistle; it's back to the weekly grind.

Am going old school this week.

Toms seem to be tipped up everywhere, and with good reason, after looking like he is hitting some form, and some good results here

Similar type that appears to be creeping back and a massive banzai is Stu Appleby.

Looking to get more involved after round one this time methink. GL

Couldn't resist a little EW investment on my girl Lizette Salas @ baddies standout 66/1 in the birds LPGA Safeway tourney this week, just in case.

Didn't want to self-bok by putting her up on TfT but this works quite nicely ;)

 :hello:

Welsh open

Chris wood, Olesen and Jimenez

Also a bit of Wood, first round leader. Almost like a home course for him.

States

Gotta follow Gary woodland after last few weeks, may be shot in the head after last weeks blow up, but at prices worth chancing. Gonna follow up with dustbin j too, having proved that adding an income by get engaged ain't as much of a wake up cal as having a kid, which detracts from the income! Chucking in Phil mick too, as it looks like a birdie fest course. Ew cross doubles and would fancy Wood and Dustbin most...GL

Also had a little 66/1 EW Rafael Cabrera-Bello in Wales.

Yakky da.

Didnt quite make leader but is second after round one. Secures the ew money and now we're freerolling. Hope some else got on too?!

Looks like we should get a sweat over the weekend.

Nice start for Lizzie a bogey-free -6 in what looks like being a birdie-fest.

N1 Ralph, knew I forgot to do something yesterday.

Has her price collapsed?

Still 25/1 in a spot.

Phils had a good start, which is nice.

I anyone does read this, I would suggest a few quid on John Huh who despite a cracking first round can still be backed at 130s on betty. He is 6.8 for a top 10 finish. 16s Top 5

He has been playing great last few weeks, and whilst Phil will be tough to overhaul, we might find a trading position if Huh puts in a tidy follow up round.

Both of mine have decent squeaks this week thus far.

I bet them both with laddies but couldn't be arsed to redeposit another tenner to have the fiver EW double which could prove to be a costly piece of inactivity.

The first squeak quickly became a Heinrich scream after a double bogey at the first.

The second probably only has place-money expectactions but where there's life..

Goooooo Lizzie  ;cheerleader;

Bit of place money back Ralph.  Dents somes PGA losses. Ta

Lizzie was joint-leader after about six holes but Petterson blitzed it after an early double-bogey.

Yani Tseng crashed and burned after leading by three shots at the start as did Peter Uilein in Wales, both were odds-on going into the final round.

I think there's a lot of value in laying those last round leaders which is something I did consider but didn't actually do.

Were you on?

Only a small investment, but yes.

I see you as a specialist in female golfers, just as Mere is an expert on female tennis players.

In short, a pair of pervs.

Couldn't resist the 100 available on BF for John Parry at Crans.

Good player coming back into decent form.

Parry seems to have transmogrified into bogeyry ;(

I'm sticking with Parry @ 95 again this week in the KLM and have gone with Adzy's pick Spieth EW @ 33/1 in the US, as well as a little 50/1 EW Yani Tseng in the Evian who showed signs of life last week after a long slump before buckling on the Sunday.

Rather annoyingly, my sole bet on the Ladies was a nice 50-1 on Becari. Sitting 4 behind in 8th with two rounds to go I was quite happy.

I wake to find they have chopped it to 54, so cant quite see her making up 4 in one round. Meh...

Has the KLM finished?

I got given someone to bet, but haven't followed it at all...

Is his name near the top of this list, Mark?.......:)






http://www.europeantour.com/europeantour/season=2013/tournamentid=2013072/leaderboard/index.html



They are playing the final round right now.

Mark,

Just realised, this is Live, on Sky Sports if you have a sweat going.

Select the channel with the Ladies Golf, then press the Red Button.

It's Damien McGrane, so I possibly have a place sweat, but he'll need a miracle to win!

Got it on now, thanks :)