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Title: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: dan on January 19, 2006, 09:52:44 PM
what are your reasons.


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: Newmanseye on January 19, 2006, 09:55:48 PM
In early position, yes especially if you have a maniac on your right, let him hang himself with his marginal hand.


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: mystery721 on January 19, 2006, 09:56:31 PM
if your sure your opponant will lay it down, for me id want to take it with the reraise, i dont want to get called and be playing out of posistion with a drawing hand


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: dan on January 19, 2006, 09:58:56 PM
what would you do if you limped with it and then you got the raise you wanted so you reraise only for the raiser to go all in?


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: SKIPPYSKIP on January 19, 2006, 09:59:29 PM
This hand I am not keen on, can get you into a lot of trouble, saying that I may limp if I healthy in chips in hope of a raise from a short stacked opponent closer to the button.

 But wouldn't want to go into the flop with 3+ others incase you was up against a poket pair pre flop and even if you hit your  Ac or Kd be worried about someone else hitting trips.

Crazy when I see people go all in a showdown this hand = coin flip


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: Newmanseye on January 19, 2006, 10:01:04 PM
what would you do if you limped with it and then you got the raise you wanted so you reraise only for the raiser to go all in?

In a cash game CALLLL!!!!

In  tourney, It would depend on the player, but I might call.


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: SKIPPYSKIP on January 19, 2006, 10:02:58 PM
In reply to your last hand dan, all depends if that player is a maniac, short stacked on at that present time can you make your mind up.

What hands has he put down before, does he raise with  Ad anything, but most times im prone to folding not wanting my tournie top be decided on this.


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: Newmanseye on January 19, 2006, 10:03:55 PM
This hand I am not keen on, can get you into a lot of trouble, saying that I may limp if I healthy in chips in hope of a raise from a short stacked opponent closer to the button.

 But wouldn't want to go into the flop with 3+ others incase you was up against a poket pair pre flop and even if you hit your  Ac or Kd be worried about someone else hitting trips.

Crazy when I see people go all in a showdown this hand = coin flip

See I am on the other side of the fence, I want them to think, Will they put their tourney on the line on a coin flip knowing they only have a coinflip against  Ahrt Ks


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: mystery721 on January 19, 2006, 10:12:05 PM
u need to take into account the fact u limped from first posistion then reraised a raiser indicates u have a very strong hand, and for him to come back over the top of u, i wouldnt be surprised if its aces or kings, plus a call depends if its gonna cost u ur tourney if it is then its a no brainer fold, i never ever call an all in with a drawing hand and ive even folded q q preflop to an all in


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: Newmanseye on January 19, 2006, 10:14:50 PM
again in a tourney its a different play, cash game is a call all the way.


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: SKIPPYSKIP on January 19, 2006, 10:15:34 PM
totally agree mystery


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: Nem on January 19, 2006, 10:17:49 PM
i never ever call an all in with a drawing hand

You've got to be having a laugh


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: mystery721 on January 19, 2006, 10:18:43 PM
thnx skippy, call straight away in a cash game? why? whether its cash or tourney this guy is showing real strength, and if its A A  or  K K ur pretty much knackered, and any pair ur a slight underdog, either way calling all in in a cash game being the underdog is not a way to make money, i cant wait to play at cincinattis if thats how u play , lol


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: mystery721 on January 19, 2006, 10:21:38 PM
nemesis i never meant ever ever, if im short stacked (under 10 bb) yeah then im gonna go with the a k unless i know im up against aces or kings then im gonna fold, but the amount of time ive folded a k preflop is unreal


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: Newmanseye on January 19, 2006, 10:23:44 PM
I will play a coinflip any day of the week in a cash game, I can re-buy, and I do win over the long term.

Also most players seem to go for the pissing contest ( bad players I might add, mostly blokes ) so I am happy to take the coinflip, particularly against a maniac player.

Thats just one of the ways i play


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: dan on January 19, 2006, 10:26:49 PM
u need to take into account the fact u limped from first posistion then reraised a raiser indicates u have a very strong hand, and for him to come back over the top of u, i wouldnt be surprised if its aces or kings, plus a call depends if its gonna cost u ur tourney if it is then its a no brainer fold, i never ever call an all in with a drawing hand and ive even folded q q preflop to an all in

that is right but im not sure alot of people actually realise this.

Anyway this is what happened and i got very very lucky, but the way things have been going im due some luck.

its only the 2nd hand of the 10k on crypto. ive played the 1st hand and took it down without showing my cards. anyway i get AK utg and flat call for 20(blinds 10/20) there are a few other limpers in the pot and the BB makes it 180 total so i reraise to 500. He goes over the top of me all in.

i think about folding for the above reason that mystery said but then i decide to call. i have 2 reasons for calling. 1 is there are alot of people willing to gamble early on in this comp and might not think about me limping then raising and could have a smaller ace. 2, i played the hand this way for a reason so if i was going to put it down i shouldnt play it like this.

i was up against aces and caught a King on the flop and another on the river :D.

a bit fishy i know but thats why i wanted peoples opinions about limping UTG with it


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: mystery721 on January 19, 2006, 10:29:12 PM
ur free to play the way u want m8, im just saying for me i dont want my game based on luck with all in coinflips, i want the others guys money in there when he is massive undergog, ive no problem wotsoever folding a k and q q preflop none wotsoever, im not an all in player i like to see flops and outplay my opponants, posistion is so powerful if u know how to use it properly, the amount of times i see people raise with a k in a cash game they get called and the board comes like A J 9 or something like that, and they lead out and bet and they get reraised all in and they call? are they stupid call here with a k? why


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: mystery721 on January 19, 2006, 10:31:40 PM
see wot did i tell u, i read the guys hand blind, i knew it woulda been A A or K K


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: dan on January 19, 2006, 10:32:56 PM
see wot did i tell u, i read the guys hand blind, i knew it woulda been A A or K K
:D


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: mystery721 on January 19, 2006, 10:37:28 PM
dont ask a question if ur not gonna listen to the answer, anyway dan this has been a great post and enjoyed the banter


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: SKIPPYSKIP on January 19, 2006, 10:39:49 PM
nice 1 mystery


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: dan on January 19, 2006, 10:41:06 PM
see wot did i tell u, i read the guys hand blind, i knew it woulda been A A or K K

do you not think that he couldve played QQ JJ 1010 AK or AQ excactly the same?


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: dan on January 19, 2006, 10:42:58 PM
hey guys just becauase ive told you what a fish i am keepon voting i want to see how many would limp with AK UTG


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: Nem on January 19, 2006, 10:43:43 PM
do you not think that he couldve played QQ JJ 1010 AK or AQ excactly the same?

Yes


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: mystery721 on January 19, 2006, 10:57:35 PM
NO any decent player would not play qq jj definatly not 10 10 or a q this way, u need to look at all the info, uve limped utg then uve reraised a raiser which is indicating a very strong hand, so for him to say i dont care how strong your hand is mine is stronger indicates A A at least  K K everytime for me, and i wouldnt even think twice about folding, maybe i analyze to much, but my tourney wins speak for themselves, my biggest fold was folding A A preflop but thats another story


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: mystery721 on January 19, 2006, 11:11:33 PM
u cant put an action on a single hand, u cant say this is wot im gonna do with a k under the gun everytime, it depends on whos at the table, where u are in the tourney how many chips u got, wots the blinds, all this is just as important as the a k in your hand, on average if i get a k utg depending on how things are im probably out of 10 times,  gonna limp twice raise maybe 2 or 3 times fold the rest


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: Jamier-Host on January 19, 2006, 11:26:48 PM
NO any decent player would not play qq jj definatly not 10 10 or a q this way

Who said he was a decent player? What is a decent player? Could a decent player not make the same move with 78 expecting you to put him on AA?

 :D


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: Bazzaboy on January 20, 2006, 12:34:10 AM
u cant put an action on a single hand, u cant say this is wot im gonna do with a k under the gun everytime, it depends on whos at the table, where u are in the tourney how many chips u got, wots the blinds, all this is just as important as the a k in your hand, on average if i get a k utg depending on how things are im probably out of 10 times,  gonna limp twice raise maybe 2 or 3 times fold the rest

Forgive me if I have read this wrong but you are saying if you were dealt AK UTG then you would fold 50% of the time??  You having a laugh?


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: mystery721 on January 20, 2006, 12:40:58 AM
it sounds worse than it is, im not saying i fold ak utg 50% of the time as a definate figure, as i said it depends on the suituation of the tourney and whether i need to be playing  utg, out of posistion with a drawing hand


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: mystery721 on January 20, 2006, 01:01:23 AM
a k utg if ur raising u gotta go at least 3 times the bb, 9 players still to act u get raised wot u gonna do? u gotta take his raise seriously uve raised utg signalling strength, u gotta fold it, lets say u get one caller from the button u miss the flop, ur out of posistion, do u follow through with a continuation bet? wot u gonna do if ur raised uve now lost ur 3 times raise and a continuation bet, say u check,  quarentees are the button will bet, u have nothing, uve signalled strength with ur preflop raise uve been called, so hes got something u gotta fold, why give urself this much hassle playing utg with a drawing hand if u dont need to, for me a k is an easy fold utg,  uve now lost chips u never had to lose PLAYING A DRAWING HAND utg


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: JungleCat03 on January 20, 2006, 04:57:53 AM
it's nice to only ever play monsters in tournaments, but u still need to accumulate chips with your strong hands. AK is a strong hand, you're only in bad shape versus KK or AA. Other players often have much looser starting hand requirements than you and you should charge these inferior hands to play. Given the right flop, you can stack people with AK.

I agree it's a good idea to mix it up and i will sometimes limp AK IN EP for deception. but if the blinds add enough to my stack to be of significance, ill be making a play for them with a raise. The good thing about AK is it is strong against a wide range of hands, but its weakness for me is that it is only a big favourite over other aces or kings. For this reason i think it's a good idea to generate some fodling equity preflop and push out hands that can outflop you easily but won't call a raise.

As for playing the flop when you miss, this is always tricky, but its a combination of the type of hands u feel the caller will call you with, the texture of the flop, how strong your opponent is etc.



Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: Royal Flush on September 20, 2009, 06:06:35 AM
Found what i was after, the old fold AK utg 1/2 the time post, brilliant.


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: pleno1 on September 20, 2009, 06:50:50 AM
omg, this is gold!

do these people still post?

if the answer is yes please continue...

have they improved

if the answer is no please continue...

hu4rollz?


Title: Re: Is AK strong enough..................
Post by: bolt pp on September 20, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
thats what i was doing looking in the bettings tips archive last night, looking for quality mystery posts, just too many though.