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Title: a k utg
Post by: mystery721 on January 20, 2006, 04:54:50 AM
when i get a k utg i fold just as much as i raise when im in tourneys, depending on the situation, many people say its madness to fold a k utg, wot are ur views?


Title: Re: a k utg
Post by: Bazzaboy on January 20, 2006, 04:55:37 AM
I think you are at the wind up


Title: Re: a k utg
Post by: 12barblues on January 20, 2006, 05:00:33 AM
Do you mean you fold 50% of the time as your first action or to a re-raise?

If you mean the former, I beg to disagree (again).

Having written this, I now see Bazza has posted.  I fear he may be correct.


Title: Re: a k utg
Post by: Bazzaboy on January 20, 2006, 05:08:52 AM
If you are not at the wind up then you must get dealt AA and KK a helluva lot more times than I do.  Oh and you keep reminding us how you fold AA as well.  Incidentally what hands do you play?


Title: Re: a k utg
Post by: 12barblues on January 20, 2006, 05:10:47 AM
wind up? im not winding any one up, if i dont need to play a drawing hand from 1st posistion then i wont

Fine.  No problem.  Why ask for other people's views?


Title: Re: a k utg
Post by: mystery721 on January 20, 2006, 05:14:43 AM
did u read the post about folding A A preflop? if u didnt then u should and if u did and dont agree then thats ur opinion not everyone is good enough to make these descisions


Title: Re: a k utg
Post by: mystery721 on January 20, 2006, 05:19:26 AM
how often do u get a k in a tourney 3 maybe 4 times if ur lucky? wots the chances of it being utg?  slim, but when i get it utg unless im in need of some chips ill let it pass


Title: Re: a k utg
Post by: TightEnd on January 20, 2006, 05:21:18 AM
which sites can I find you on sir, and in which games?

or perhaps I should say

whch sts cn i find u on, whch tbls?


Title: Re: a k utg
Post by: 12barblues on January 20, 2006, 05:30:12 AM
did u read the post about folding A A preflop? if u didnt then u should and if u did and dont agree then thats ur opinion not everyone is good enough to make these descisions

You are quite correct.  I'm not 'good' enough to fold AA pre-flop (except under very exceptional circumstances which have been discussed on these boards before).

I acknowledge that we have different views on how to play AA ..... and AK......



Title: Re: a k utg
Post by: mystery721 on January 20, 2006, 05:38:47 AM
the A A preflop fold was a no brainer!


Title: Re: a k utg
Post by: Newmanseye on January 20, 2006, 10:43:43 AM
To just be a little controversial, The AA pass preflop was a justified play, last to act and to call all in with AA against 4 other players, your aces are a 2% dog.  why call all in as a 2% dog when 3 people will probably go out and you make the cash by outplaying people from a better spot.  You cant just play the cards in this particular situation.

I will also say this is about the only time I would ever fold aces pre flop.


Title: Re: a k utg
Post by: mikkyT on January 20, 2006, 01:10:36 PM
To just be a little controversial, The AA pass preflop was a justified play, last to act and to call all in with AA against 4 other players, your aces are a 2% dog.  why call all in as a 2% dog when 3 people will probably go out and you make the cash by outplaying people from a better spot.  You cant just play the cards in this particular situation.

I will also say this is about the only time I would ever fold aces pre flop.

Those aces are not a 2% dog, they are 48% to win and at this point are the favourite hand! Now, whilst you may lose with the hand in this situation more than you win, its a simple race scenario but the time of the tournament dictates that it is profitable to let this go.


Title: Re: a k utg
Post by: ACE2M on January 20, 2006, 04:10:30 PM
no (thats no i do not fold AK under the gun apart from some specific situations)


Title: Re: a k utg
Post by: thelodger on January 20, 2006, 08:00:36 PM
I fold big hands all the time, but can't see anytime why I would wanna fold AK utg, even if I just limped(which would be worse IMHO) So no I aint folding AK utg, If I get a re raise then sure you can fold it, but not until.


Title: Re: a k utg
Post by: SupaMonkey on January 20, 2006, 09:29:21 PM
I said no but you haven't stated the conditions. If i raise and get reraised which is then followed by an all in i would probably fold it but generally i'll be getting my chips in there with this one.


Title: Re: a k utg
Post by: thetank on January 21, 2006, 03:27:21 PM

the A A preflop fold was a no brainer!


At last, we agree on something.

'Twas an easy call.



I voted yes in the poll because I can fold AKo UTG. Sometimes you spot a tell on someone acting after you that they have a huge hand. Online it could be a satellite bubble situation etc etc.

Not in a normal tournament though, when you get the cards you gotta play them matey. Position is important, but so is playing AK when you're dealt it.


Title: Re: a k utg
Post by: Newmanseye on January 21, 2006, 03:41:47 PM
To just be a little controversial, The AA pass preflop was a justified play, last to act and to call all in with AA against 4 other players, your aces are a 2% dog.  why call all in as a 2% dog when 3 people will probably go out and you make the cash by outplaying people from a better spot.  You cant just play the cards in this particular situation.

I will also say this is about the only time I would ever fold aces pre flop.

Those aces are not a 2% dog, they are 48% to win and at this point are the favourite hand! Now, whilst you may lose with the hand in this situation more than you win, its a simple race scenario but the time of the tournament dictates that it is profitable to let this go.

Yes mikky, sorry got this one wrong, too many threads and too many numbers.