a k utg

[mystery721]

when i get a k utg i fold just as much as i raise when im in tourneys, depending on the situation, many people say its madness to fold a k utg, wot are ur views?

[Bazzaboy]

I think you are at the wind up

[12barblues]

Do you mean you fold 50% of the time as your first action or to a re-raise?

If you mean the former, I beg to disagree (again).

Having written this, I now see Bazza has posted.  I fear he may be correct.

[Bazzaboy]

If you are not at the wind up then you must get dealt AA and KK a helluva lot more times than I do.  Oh and you keep reminding us how you fold AA as well.  Incidentally what hands do you play?

[12barblues]

wind up? im not winding any one up, if i dont need to play a drawing hand from 1st posistion then i wont

Fine.  No problem.  Why ask for other people's views?

[mystery721]

did u read the post about folding A A preflop? if u didnt then u should and if u did and dont agree then thats ur opinion not everyone is good enough to make these descisions

[mystery721]

how often do u get a k in a tourney 3 maybe 4 times if ur lucky? wots the chances of it being utg?  slim, but when i get it utg unless im in need of some chips ill let it pass

[TightEnd]

which sites can I find you on sir, and in which games?

or perhaps I should say

whch sts cn i find u on, whch tbls?

[12barblues]

did u read the post about folding A A preflop? if u didnt then u should and if u did and dont agree then thats ur opinion not everyone is good enough to make these descisions

You are quite correct.  I'm not 'good' enough to fold AA pre-flop (except under very exceptional circumstances which have been discussed on these boards before).

I acknowledge that we have different views on how to play AA ..... and AK......

[mystery721]

the A A preflop fold was a no brainer!

[Newmanseye]

To just be a little controversial, The AA pass preflop was a justified play, last to act and to call all in with AA against 4 other players, your aces are a 2% dog.  why call all in as a 2% dog when 3 people will probably go out and you make the cash by outplaying people from a better spot.  You cant just play the cards in this particular situation.

I will also say this is about the only time I would ever fold aces pre flop.

[mikkyT]

To just be a little controversial, The AA pass preflop was a justified play, last to act and to call all in with AA against 4 other players, your aces are a 2% dog.  why call all in as a 2% dog when 3 people will probably go out and you make the cash by outplaying people from a better spot.  You cant just play the cards in this particular situation.

I will also say this is about the only time I would ever fold aces pre flop.

Those aces are not a 2% dog, they are 48% to win and at this point are the favourite hand! Now, whilst you may lose with the hand in this situation more than you win, its a simple race scenario but the time of the tournament dictates that it is profitable to let this go.

[ACE2M]

no (thats no i do not fold AK under the gun apart from some specific situations)

[thelodger]

I fold big hands all the time, but can't see anytime why I would wanna fold AK utg, even if I just limped(which would be worse IMHO) So no I aint folding AK utg, If I get a re raise then sure you can fold it, but not until.

[SupaMonkey]

I said no but you haven't stated the conditions. If i raise and get reraised which is then followed by an all in i would probably fold it but generally i'll be getting my chips in there with this one.