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1/1 at DTD, I have a ridiculously LAG image through first few orbits and table have noticed. Table is very passive, lots of multiway action.

I open  Ks Jh EP to £5. 6 callers including villain OTB.

Villain is know it all, knows what you have after you show on river etc, I don't try anything OOL vs him unless he's very face up.

Flop (£40) Qh Js 2h

Checks around.

Turn (£40)  Kh

Checks to me I lead for £20, he thinks for 1 minute+, counts how much he has, then slowly slides stack over line which totals £80, I cover him. He's relaxed but looks v weak as I'm giving him the stare.

Feels like he can have a lot of  Ahrt X hands, and  Kc Th etc? But if he's jammed a small flush can I call off here with 11 outs once?

with your image I'm very happy to call this off.

 Bet flop. Fold now.

He's moved AI right? (OP not perfectly clear)

If so I'm calling - he's going to have to show me a winner, and that winner's going to have to stay the winner.

Yeah he's moved in. Betting flop sounds hilariously bad 6 ways with my image.

Agree betting the flop seems ludicrous.

If he definitely has a made small flush, then no you are not getting the right odds, but surely you know this?

£60 to win £140, we need 42% equity, but we have about 25%? against a small flush (not counting the fact that he may already have the nuts).

I guess he can have a bare  Ahrt and we are happy to try and dodge 8 outs.

If he has a monstrous hand like  Ahrt Ts what would he do here?

I expect to see either a hand like  Ahrt Jd or a made flush most of the time here, think he has enough bare  Ahrt in his range for us get it in. Not thrilled about it though.

(disclaimer: I have not made my point very well here, but I cba to fix it)

cliffs: call

You've descibed it as a weak passive £1/1 dtd game, with Hero's image stated as lag.

At 1/1 ime, you just bet for value. With this image you'll get called by, lower pocket pairs, hearts, open enders etc, lots of hands your beating. Why open KJo from ep if your not going to bet when you hit a reasonable flop?

If you get raised on a flushing board at 1/1 then ime you can happily just fold as your either easily behind, or up against a big draw. You can't win every pot.

For this particular hand, someone described as half dece has jammed the last of his moneys in to the pot with little fold equity over the top of somebody who hardly ever gets ool vs him. Have I described this situation correctly?

I mean if he's jammed the bare Ah then god bless him, but if he has then I would say the original read of him is a little incorrect. If he can hand read decently as you've sub communicated, then he's going to know you have a very decent hand when you bet this turn, so much so that it would be optimistic to believe he jams worse than top 2pr.

With regards to calling it off knowing he has a flush. Please.

I had some time, so I did some Maths.....

look how wide I have made his range to give you 50% equity:

4,268  games     0.001 secs     4,268,000  games/sec

Board: Qh Js 2h Kh
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    50.422%     49.53%    00.89%              2114           38.00   { KsJh }
Hand 1:    49.578%     48.69%    00.89%              2078           38.00   { AA, KcKd, QcQd, QcQs, QdQs, JcJd, TcTh, TdTh, ThTs, 2c2d, 2c2s, 2d2s, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah3h, Th9h, Th8h, Th7h, 9h8h, 9h7h, 9h6h, 9h5h, 8h7h, 8h6h, 8h5h, 7h6h, 7h5h, 7h4h, 6h5h, 6h4h, 5h4h, 5h3h, 4h3h, AhKc, AhKd, AhQc, AhQd, AhQs, AhJc, AhJd, AcTh, AdTh, AhTc, AhTd, AhTs, AsTh, Ah9c, Ah9d, Ah9s, Ah8c, Ah8d, Ah8s, Ah7c, Ah7d, Ah7s, Ah6c, Ah6d, Ah6s, Ah5c, Ah5d, Ah5s, Ah4c, Ah4d, Ah4s, Ah3c, Ah3d, Ah3s, Ah2c, Ah2d, Ah2s, KcQd, KcQs, KdQc, KdQs, KcJd, KdJc, KcTh, KdTh, KsTh, QcJd, QdJc, QsJc, QsJd, QcTh, QdTh, QsTh, JcTh, JdTh, JsTh }


Basically almost all suited combos possible, all sets possible, two pair, 10s with the  Th, AA, all bare  Ahrt and all made nut flushes.

Guess it depends how much of this you think is actually in his range?

Lol, I never described him as half decent. Let me describe villain a little better, if I cold5bjam  9h 4h and get called, and end up winning, he'll say he put me on  9h 4h. He's Mr 20/20, knows all the right moves when the cards are turned up.

In other words, he's fucking terrible.

Soz if I offend anyone by this tapping the glass post.

THEN I THINK YOU CAN CALL KNOWING THAT MY RANGE IS PRETTY ACCURATE!!

Sorry for shouting  ;hide;

He has you beat imo. AT most likely or a flush.

Hmmm. Why are we looking for 50% equity? Done quickly in my head we need 31-32% to call here. Seeing as we have about 25% vs a made small flush and given he can have a bunch of other stuff too makes this a pretty clear call imo.

Wonder if its the same guy who was telling me "there are 100,000 players better than Trickett"
"He plays cash and only good as he is backed" Popped my cap.

isn't it 42ish%? This could be embarrassing for me, two number whizzes itt....

Nik says there is 40 in the pot before we bet 20, villain makes it 80....

so now we are calling 60 to win 140 ie. three sevenths or 0.428

I was just saying that 17% is a lot to make up (you are right, we have 25% versus a made non-nut flush), but by including everything I could think of him possibly having in stoving a range, we can actually get as high as 50% equity..... meaning CALL

 ;hide; please let my maths be right  ;hide;

were calling 60 to win 200 (or 190 by my calculations given pre flop). We get the % of our call back too...

Had a mare here..... very tired today, no excuse though.

I think it's 195 actually though (we open to 5, 6 callers make 35 total?)

anyway, I am off to sleep and tell myself off....

60 into 195 is only 31% so we are close to being able to call if he shows us a small flush aren't we?

I would like to not be reminded about this thread ever again please  ;ashamed;

If you work in odds, you don't count your call amount but if you want to work out a percentage it's easier to do so. eg villain bets 150 into 450, is 150 to win 600, that's 600/150 = 4-1. If you want % then you count your call as well, then 750/150 = 20%

With regards to the hand: what stato said. We're getting the right price to redraw if for some reason we don't have the best hand. Hate the idea of betting flop into 6 people though. Raise bigger pre if we're getting a gazillion callers, work out their threshold by steadily increasing your raise size and then get ready to win a big pot.