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Why are they allowed in cardrooms?

The most tilting thing to happen in recent years imho.

There is a smoking area for a reason.

I, as a non-smoker, do not appreciate smoke being blown in my face, however artificial it may be.

Take it elsewhere please, or just GTFO

It's not smoke that's why its allowed, but I agree shouldn't be allowed they are supposed to be aid to quitting smoking not a substitute for when you can't get out for a smoke

Its obviously out of order if someone is blowing it in your face but everyone I've seen in a cardroom is at least aware and blows their non smoke upwards/away

I'm pleased to see them maily because some of my coffin nail puffing friends are using them, which means they will hopefully be around many years longer.

If someone is blowing the vapour in you chops the shove it up their snitch.

id rather have that then somebody coming back in from the smoking area, still with smoke in their lungs and smelling the place out

agreed, worse is someone smelling of cigarettes sitting next to you breathing down your face. Poker brings rude ignorant players to the table too and ive seen them blow across the table but most...most blow down or turn away to be fair

Get one yourself and retaliate imo.

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they dont bother me at all

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Genius!!

It's vapour, just like you get coming out of a cup of coffee! Maybe you will want coffee to stop being sold too? ;)

I've got to get myself one of those :D

If someone kept on taking a glug of their coffee and then blowing their breath into my face afterwards, I'd ask them to refrain from doing so. Same if someone has a cold and sneezes at me.

Some of it is fruity tho!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrSavppUj1k

Since seeing this I've considered taking up smoking, just so I can quit. Had me in hysterics for hours.

I am one of those guys who use electronic cigs at the card tables. They have helped me to completely give up smoking and thus I love them.

There seems to be a problem using these e-cigs at DTD caused by the air conditioning. I always try to blow the 'smoke' up into the air so it won't bother anyone. However, sometimes it seems to get blown down by the air con and ends up drifting across the table. And occasionally it can look like I am actively trying to blow smoke into people's faces when the air con sends the smoke in an unintended direction. I am always rather embarrassed when this happens and it is never intentional.

It should be pointed out that the 'smoke' is just pure water vapour and thus is completely harmless as well as being odourless. I can appreciate it still might be rather unpleasant to have this steam blown at you though, even if it is accidental.

They shouldn't be allowed at the table. If you want to use them then move away.

Whilst we're on the subject of table etiquette, if you have a cold, flu, stomach bug whatever, why are you sat next to me at a poker table? Go home, play online and keep your germs to yourself.

Ban live poker. It's the only way

Doesnt matter at events with online satties anyway. Theyre all robots

I use them often too and they definitely give off a smell (might be diff brand but majority do).

Some do smell, Ban the things

Robots who smoke electronic cigarettes and order tap water should be banned imo.

There's no way they smell worse than live poker players.

God damn robots. Rigging satties, blowing smoke in our faces and demanding tap water

Play chess in cafés in UAE and your opponent might well be on the shisha pipe:

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Grandmaster Igor Smirnov found this out recently.

omg shish at dtd and i'd never leave. mmmmmmm

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Can either of you give a rational reason why they should be banned at the table? And by rational reason I mean more than the fact that you just don't like them personally.

It is, I concede, possible that some brands might have a very slight odour in the steam. I am pretty certain that the brand I use doesn't. But tbh I don't think this is an issue anyway.

If you order some garlic bread at DTD and eat it at the table next to me then every now and then I will get a very unpleasant whiff of your garlic breath. Just as you might, very occasionally, get a tiny bit of steam from my e-cig drifting your way. I would never think to seek to have garlic bread banned. Nor would I seek to have poker players with BO or smelly feet banned from my table - there are plenty of these and it is surely far worse sitting next to one of these guys than sitting next to me smoking my electronic ciggy.

If you are not at any health risk from me smoking my electric cig then I don't really see what reason you have got to expect them to be banned. People do all sorts of things at the poker table that I personally would rather they didn't do. Most of these things are, however, simply my own personal preferences and I don't believe they should be banned from doing such things simply because I don't like them.

I suppose that part of the issue you have with e-cigs is that they look like real cigarettes and the steam looks like real smoke. If you are an ardent non-smoker then this might offend or upset you due to your visual associations. But this is not really logical. I imagine you have no problems with the older type of ciggy replacements - the little white things that didn't look at all like cigarettes and no steam came out of? If this is true then your problem with e-cigs must be a) the fact that they look like cigarettes, and b) the fact that they give off steam that looks like cigarette smoke. As far as I am concerned it is just tough luck regarding a) ... I might as well complain that I don't like the look of your T shirt. Regarding b) you do have more of a point. However, this only applies IMO when the steam is directed straight at you. I concede this is likely annoying for some people even if it does not smell (or hardly smells) and does no harm. However, I believe that noone should have a problem as long as the steam is not blown toward anyone. The steam vanishes within seconds into the air, it does not linger and drift in the air like cigarette smoke does. And any slight odour that is in the steam does not linger either, and certainly does not make your clothes smell like happens when sitting in the presence of a ciggy smoker. I imagine you have no problem seeing steam in and of itself, right? It is just the associations that upset you. And, in time, these associations will change.

In the meantime please understand that these e-cigs have made a radical difference to many people's lives. I have given up smoking for over a year now. And it has been EASY to do. I hope those who feel a bit uncomfortable about seeing these e-cigs smoked in their presence will realise what a positive effect they are having on the lives of some of the people they play poker with, and will thus try to be tolerant.

make them go outside, smokers are so incred dumb. oooh its my button CIGGY TIME.


selfish ftw.

They are a cigarette substitute. If they didn't use it, then they would have to go out for a smoke. Almost everyone I have seen using them has annoyed someone at the table by the vapour being blown towards them, albeit probably by accident.

Like tittybeam said, smokers are just dumb, and should be punished accordingly, by being made to go outside, either for having a real smoke or the e-fag.

Ps. I am a smoker.

I am a reformed non smoker.

I have never used an electronic fag,

But I think they are fantastic, great post by honeybadger.
Much rather see this than smell fags on clothes & breath etc.

ffs electronic cigs are legal doesnt mean they should be allowed indoors

stink bombs are legal but try setting one off in a card room and see how long you remain in it

Well where i work u can't even smoke them indoors u have to go outside with the ones that do smoke lol and my wife one off the one that smoke the vip cig

I'm an ex somker and I for one hate the things, but I hated them more when I did smoke. If you can't last two hours with out a cig then fuck off out side like I used to

ruud started a thread on hear about the use of Electronic Cigarettes at a poker table so I thought I would put this poll up and see what people really think. For the people that don't know what and electronic cig is have a look at this link for the in and outs and the legal stuff as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_cigarette

Thank you for voting

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I have noticed that my throat is very slightly affected when people use those things.

There are references above to 'vapours' and 'steam', implying that it is pure water vapour. It isn't.

I have been addicted to e-cig and nicotine patches for years now. Imagine my suprise when I found these little white sticks that mimic e-cigs. All you do is light one end and inhale through the other a puff of smoke. And you don't need to use them all day. Just about once an hour (more if your drinking)

Should they be allowed at the table?

I heard that Aspers had banned them is this true?

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=60868.0

Are E-cigs allowed in all casino card rooms?

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shall we stop all the taxi and mini buses from dropping off outside aswell......fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssss

Carcinogens are released by the burning of the tobacco - a person 'smoking' e-cigs (apparently) is only breathing out water vapour.

Thus, they require banning about as much as a hydrogen cell car on health and environmental grounds.

Not true. They are producing all kinds of crap for the rest of us to breathe.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2402108/E-cigarettes-harmful-cigarettes-cause-cancer-claims-study.html

Daily Mail in "X" causes cancer article shocker :D

Beat me to it.

Where's the evidence?

Well, there is some published research on it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23467656/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23467656/)

Whilst I'd be reasonably happy sitting next to someone producing 1/450th of the cancer causing chemicals of a normal cigarette, I don't think I can say the same about 1/9th. 

Abstract from quoted report:

'From these results, risk analyses were conducted based on dilution into a 40 m³ room and standard toxicological data. Non-cancer risk analysis revealed "No Significant Risk" of harm to human health for vapor samples from e-liquids (A-D). In contrast, for tobacco smoke most findings markedly exceeded risk limits indicating a condition of "Significant Risk" of harm to human health. With regard to cancer risk analysis, no vapor sample from e-liquids A-D exceeded the risk limit for either children or adults. The tobacco smoke sample approached the risk limits for adult exposure.

CONCLUSIONS: For all byproducts measured, electronic cigarettes produce very small exposures relative to tobacco cigarettes. The study indicates no apparent risk to human health from e-cigarette emissions based on the compounds analyzed'.

Well there you go - you'd probably breathe in more shit whilst stuck in a traffic jam/or waiting for a bus!

Not that one again. It's amazing how the people who care least about what junk they breathe in always quote traffic pollution, as if they give a hoot about what effect it has on them. Just because we have to breathe traffic fumes doesn't mean we have to put up with cigarette smoke or its substitutes.

The only problem with e-cigs is that you are forever puffing at it, you are infact taking in more nicotine (18-24mg) than you ever do with smoking fags! They have been banned in some football stadiums, I assume this is to make the security/steward's job a lot easier. I say let them puff away, it isn't harming us.

Or maybe    .....

It's amazing how the people who moaned forever about smoking in pubs - until they got a blanket ban - never seem to use them, now they've got their own way.

And with the advent of e-cigs quickly dismiss any research from the Nasal Nuisance Nutter Brigade, if it contradicts the dogma they wish to enforce.

What part of:

'CONCLUSIONS: For all byproducts measured, electronic cigarettes produce very small exposures relative to tobacco cigarettes. The study indicates no apparent risk to human health from e-cigarette emissions based on the compounds analyzed'.

did you not understand?

We all know smoking tobacco is smelly, unhealthy, and dangerous to those nearby that might passively inhale    .....      no problem with that, it shouldn't be allowed.

But, when the study (quoted by your fellow NNNB member) doesn't support your fears that the product will wreak havoc with your respiratory system - how can you demand it be banished?

If you ever got round to study Elf & Stacey implications of the VOCs (Volatile Organic Compounds) that are present/produced in the environment, people like you would never leave the house (which is full of them anyway!).

Just saying like    ....

i do think its kinda inconsiderate to smoke at the tables and puff this stuff around. if im sat next to a player and hes breathing this stuff in faces and stuff then its rude, simple
plus dusk til dawn have a break every hour ish early on in tourney for toilet breaks,chit chat and smoking so is it really askin much for people not too.
the problem is some players our just rude and dont really give a s*** . from smelling of b.o to stinking of weed a difficult situation

I do agree Yeahman.

If only we could get those non-smokers to wash their 'pits     .....

How offensive. I don't wish to have a discussion with someone who thinks that is an acceptable manner to address someone they don't know.

Whatever     ......      you didn't bring much to the debate anyway.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28937610

Time for these to come out of card rooms. Hope DTD get rid soon.

I like them.  2 of the guys in my office smoke them indoors and it feels like a 1980s trading floor.

I thought I'd actually read the report rather than just the BBC article. For the record, the report is here: http://apps.who.int/gb/fctc/PDF/cop6/FCTC_COP6_10-en.pdf?ua=1

Feel free to read the report yourselves, but it sounds like the WHO are scared that Big Tobacco are getting majorly involved with these e-cigs and are worried about marketing to children etc etc etc. I found one paragraph on effects to non-smokers and that basically said that it was unknown. I personally would rather have the guy to my right puffing away on one of these than having him disappear every 30 mins, slow the game down and come back stinking of cigarettes, because if these do get banned then people will smoke regular fags instead as they are cheaper and easier.

Quickens the game up if he's sat out?

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not you aswell george, we dont want this short handed nonsense, 9 and 10 handed is where it's at  ::)

when he comes back - argues about getting there before the last card is dealt etc etc. Plus cant take his money if hes not there!

Each seat should have a bog then too?

And most of them wouldn't need a sink or soap and water if every seat had a bog :)

True, I might start picking my nose too  :D

Hahahahaha, if someones going the bog then they're going the bog. Normally though when someone goes for a smoke break they chain 3-4 in, take 15-20 mins and stink of ciggies, then do the same half an hour later.

Don't see why this bothers you. Not a sufficient enough of an argument to not ban e-cigs imo

I hate the smell of smoke, makes me want to start again. Much prefer e-cigs and after reading that report it just stank of the nanny state trying to overprotect. Do the research then recommend bans, not the other bloody way round where if the research shows no effect whatsoever, governments will still ban indoor use because they dont want to change the status quo.

For the record, I do not use and never have used e-cigs.

People still smoke tho don't they? It's not going to eradicate tobacco.

And I think (and I will stand corrected if it says elsewhere), that the WHO are unsure of the long term effects of e-cigs. I would much rather err on the side of caution then say "well prove they're unsafe" although I suppose you could argue that with mobile phones

the articles/reports seem to suggest it's just the idea that kids will want to smoke rather than there being any specific stuff about them being harmful.

helps though as my parents generation were told smoking was good for them by the government. cheers politicians!

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Has anyone produced a cannabis e-spliff yet?

you can use oil in them such that they are banned in many US casinos now!

When I was in Vegas last year, some dolly was telling me that I could cure my MS with cannabis oil...

I may have been inclined to listen to her, if she hadn't been smashing home her cocktails quicker than me!

Initially we banned them.

Then I started smoking them so had to lift the ban.

On a serious note, I think they are fine unless people blowing vapour over other people and directly over the table.

I think it's a common sense / etiquette thing.

Assuming they don't turn out to be toxic killers in 20 years of course...

I don't mind them except the flavoured ones, sometimes makes me want to heave when somebody is blowing cherry flavoured vapour all over the table

amazing quote - i own the place and i like em so we unbanned them - love it