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this is double deuce, one of if not the softest sunday comp.

25 left.

sb is aggro brazillian, bb is weird nit.

Full Tilt Poker Game #32643392203: The $100K Double Deuce (253397761), Table 296 - NL Hold'em - 10000/20000 Ante 2500 - 01:03:41 CET - 2013/05/13 [19:03:41 ET - 2013/05/12]
Seat 1: Rafael-BT88 (876,149)
Seat 2: ganich9494 (236,844)
Seat 3: pock_nug (279,562)
Seat 4: kook2k (620,719)
Seat 5: pads1161 (674,555)
Seat 6: NaCote (123,816)
Seat 7: skydiveoslo (644,211)
Seat 8: DON_POMPOM (281,583)
Rafael-BT88 antes 2,500
ganich9494 antes 2,500
pock_nug antes 2,500
kook2k antes 2,500
pads1161 antes 2,500
NaCote antes 2,500
skydiveoslo antes 2,500
DON_POMPOM antes 2,500
Rafael-BT88 posts the small blind of 10,000
ganich9494 posts the big blind of 20,000
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pads1161 [Ad 9d]
pock_nug has 15 seconds left to act
pock_nug folds
kook2k folds
pads1161 raises to 40,000
NaCote folds
skydiveoslo folds
DON_POMPOM folds
Rafael-BT88 calls 30,000
ganich9494 has 15 seconds left to act
ganich9494 calls 20,000
*** FLOP *** [7c 7h 5c] (Total Pot: 140,000, 3 Players)
Rafael-BT88 checks
ganich9494 has 15 seconds left to act
ganich9494 has requested TIME
ganich9494 bets 40,000
pads1161 has 15 seconds left to act
pads1161 has requested TIME

Seems like a trivial fold now

He's peeled pre out of 11bb's then donked 2bb's. In game feel going to be huge for which option you go with cos his line is just so unconventional.

I raise and commit vs donk bettor. Obviously dependent on guy behind but he should get out the way like 90% time

Interested in the discussion as I can't come up with a compelling argument for anything other than folding here.

1) he ha 11 bbs so jams any pair pre
2) he doesnt play 7x like ths
3) bunch of dead money in the pot

I get all of the above. My rationale is that I'm still an underdog to a wide range (any 2 random clubs, 5, 7)  and his 11bb still puts a big dent in me at a point where i want better value out of my chips. Are you going to say how it played out?

He rarely/never turns up with a 7 here, plus he might fold a 5 to a raise as we rep everything that beats a 5. Even if he doesn't we have deece equity in relation to pot odds

Folding to this donk bet and his stack is too passive on this board.

Also unlikely he plays clubs this way. If you want to get your money in with a flush draw you want as much fold equity as possible. Donking here won't give you that unless you donk for pot. Villian can turn up with some random holdings here and like I said at best he has a 5. Surprised to hear some reputable players saying its a trivial fold.

i refer you to cambridge alex on the john black cash hand!

i can think of at least 2 pairs that he peels pre off 11bbs (and that he continues with in this way)

could you explain the math of this please?

We have risked 2bb so far in this hand, i dont really understand how this is anything but a fold, people do weird shit ALOT. I dont expect him to be donk folding alot if at all. We just dont do that well vs his gii range. I disagree that he will jam all pairs pre, people like to see a flop with their 66 wait for no ace no king then go with it.

Noone has mentioned our stack yet, if we get it in and lost were down to 20bb which is prob soon to be 16/17bb. Stack preservation is a much better option than anything else here especially with 25ppl left in a billion runner field that is soft as anything.

Kinda would be prepared to risk 2bb carrying on with 180k in the pot. Would flat many strong hands here hoping to get aggro sb jamming. When weird nit checks turn out-weird him by betting 2bb.

which are? if they are under pairs to the board then we should get it in.

i folded fwiw ;)

give over Pads

If you think people dont flat AA/KK off 11bbs your havent played enough MTT's (and we both know this isnt true)

i think if he has AA/KK he just puts it in pre most of the time. But ok, it does happen sometimes its just a minimal combo.

So, I am fine giving him 1 combo of KK/AA combined, but it will not change the maths much at all.

lets give him

1 combo of AA/KK
1 combo of a weirdly played 7
1 combo of an underpair
2 combos of 98s
1 combo of 98o
10 combos of random shit

I didnt give him ANY ax, although if we did give him in his random shit Ax then obv its great for us too.



 
 Equity Win Tie 
MP2  30.53%  29.86%  0.68% AdAh, 2d2h, JhTh, Jd8d, Td8d, Th8h, Ts8s, 9d8d, 9h8h, 8d7d, Kh9d, Ks9d, QhTd, Qh9d, JhTd, 9h8d
MP3  69.47%  68.79%  0.68% A9s



Ok, will now give him:


1 combo of AA/KK
1 combo of a weirdly played 7
1 combo of an underpair
2 combos of 98s
1 combo of 98o
10 combos of random shit
2 combos of random 5x

Equity Win Tie 
MP2  34.65%  34.04%  0.62% AdAh, 2d2h, JhTh, Jd8d, Td8d, Th8h, Ts8s, 9d8d, 9h8h, 8d7d, 5d4d, 5h4h, Kh9d, Ks9d, QhTd, Qh9d, JhTd, 9h8d
MP3  65.35%  64.73%  0.62% A9s


I'll now give him

2 combo of AA/KK
1 combo of a weirdly played 7
1 combo of an underpair
2 combos of 98s
1 combo of 98o
10 combos of random shit
2 combos of random 5x

Equity Win Tie 
MP2  38.34%  37.78%  0.56% KdKh, KhKs, 2d2h, JhTh, Jd8d, Td8d, Th8h, Ts8s, 9d8d, 9h8h, 8d7d, 5d4d, 5h4h, Kh9d, Ks9d, QhTd, Qh9d, JhTd, 9h8d
MP3  61.66%  61.10%  0.56% A9s


I'll now take away 50%!!!!!! of his random shit and keep in 2 combos of AA/KK

i'd fold moreso because SB is still to act behind us, if simply HU i'd probably set him in.

yeh it was late and it was super close, i could r/f to the final table basically as field so soft and 40bbs was huge, if sb was out would have just went for it.

I'm at work at the moment. But ill post why I feel it's closer to raise get it in vs donk bettor than fold when I'm back at home.

Also what did other villian do when you folded Pleno?

we dont have to jam
we can make t like 90k and fold ot brazilian and gii vs the mug.

maybe we get a fold too.

i reiterate, i folded!

Of course jamming is awful. Don't think anyone mentioned jamming?! So what did Brazilian do when you folded? He was next to act right??

I can't imagine jamming here, we don't have much fold equity and we have 3 outs usually and sometimes none, you'd expect him to c/r draws rather than bet-commit.