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6max, not itm, btn jams 12bbs, we have 37bbs in sb, bb has 25bbs.

Btn is bad overly aggro reg, playing 31/24/15.

Calling range?

Hmmm due to stats and description of villian K9+ QJ+ A7+ 33+

I wud prefer the middle - top of this range as the bottom range is a little more marginal but don't think it's tres awful

ill go for 99+ A10 personally , KQ suited is pretty sexy too

calling all suited aces here guys?

Bram's your man.

yes

Why 33+? If we're calling with 33, we should be calling with 22. In my mind, 88+, A8+, suited Ax hands, k10+

Antes?

Est his range to be this sort of thing 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J5s+,T6s+,95s+,85s+,74s+,64s+,54s,A2o+,K2o+,Q7o+,J7o+,T8o+,98o,87o

we're calling 11.5bbs to win 12+0.5+1+1 so 14.5 so we need 44.2% equity to b/e.

BB calls behind with 99+AJ+ ish (5%) so considering that and preserving stack etc, we'd rather have about 50% equity.

Which means we should call roughly: 33, A2s, A5o, K9o, K7s, QJo, QTs.

Seems on the lose side, but would only slice one/two hands of each group in game.

I called A3s and it felt looseish. Wouldn't have called K9s or A6o though.

pairs less than 77/88 don't feel good to me

No, because he's shoving 22 which 33 dominates. He's also shoving A3 and K3 with 33 dominates. They are pretty significantly different. In fact, the maths shows that 22 is a fold and 33 is a call vs a standard shoving range.

33+ is fine
   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    50.307%     49.69%    00.62%        3629784624     44987094.00   { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J5s+, T6s+, 95s+, 85s+, 74s+, 64s+, 54s, A2o+, K2o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o, 87o }
Hand 1:    49.693%     49.08%    00.62%        3584930052     44987094.00   { 33 }

even vs a pretty tight range 33 is a call. Pairs have such massive equity in allins.

Yeah but there is no need to push the absolute margins in these spots.

We must also take the view that there is an element of risk behind as well, and all our Ax hands cover this margin of risk (vs the like of KK), where as the 33 part of our range is just crushed.

Taken that into account:

It's definitely wrong to call A2s but "not feel good about pairs less than 77/88", pokerstove shows that it's not even close.

66 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a2

Calling 22/33 might be correct but think it gives villain a free shot at the double up he needs where he dominates us way more than we dominate him and lets him max his equity with an atc shove. Don't like doing these favours for oppos regardless of the maths

As Barry G said.....

PS: We are folding 22 BTW ;)

You can't disregard the maths in a spot like this! Maths is all there is too it!

If maths is all there is to it what about game flow? You are bossing a table, taking down multiple uncontested pots, and you will call off 1/3 of your ammo to give weaker player free shots because of pokerstove 2%?

And as I've said twice before, that is taken into the Maths in the first place by shaving 5-10% of the hands off the bottom of the "correct" calling range. Giving us a new range that is +EV by more than just 2%.

Personally i don't see why suited makes that much of a difference, im not calling A3o or suited here. True  its ok by math's thats assuming you have his range spot on...

Would much prefer stick further to the top of our range so we are crushing and not losing 1/3rd of our chips. Seems an unnecessary spot to call here would much rather put someone under some pressure then to call of superlight when you dont need to.

 Ac

This is unconfirmed :)

Even so, would prefer to use my chips for raising rather than calling when the margins are so close and the oppos are bad

Is that range the one you would be shoving in his shoes ie the one that he 'should' be shoving? in my limited experience it's remarkable how often we run into the 'top of his range' simply because he never shoves the 50% at the bottom of it.

yes - doesn't this make a big difference to his pushing range?

its the .fr 6m, he probably has 7s.

If we call and lose we can still use our chips for raising. Calling and winning gives us more of a chance to boss the table with 2x the the guy who has position on us. Against a bad player it's likely he will give us more opportunities to take his stack in the future but this is often overrated and in tournament poker you're giving playing into aggressive opponents hands if you react to his aggression by folding too much.

Against someone jamming loose, who is acting before us, we just have to take the gamble a bit wider than we otherwise would. By the time we wait for a big enough hand he will have stolen enough blinds to get up to a bigger stack, by which point he's narrowed his jamming range or stops jamming altogether. My first thought was 55+,A8o+,A5s+,KJo+,KTs+. I think that's still my thought actually.


Being suited matters because it gives us more equity! Fairly standard when constructing calling ranges to be wider with suited hands than unsuited. When we're all-in preflop, playability matters less, i.e. being suited with stacks left to play for is good because it gives us more chances to win the pot by semibluffing draws, but the raw hot-and-cold equity of being suited is significant.

Possibly, and it also means we have better odds.

It's wider than the range you should or I would be shoving, but this guy is overly aggro so i thought he would shove slightly wider.

and yes there's antes, which are including in the calculations. no antes, and we should call quite a bit tighter.

yes A2o is 47% vs that range, A2s 50%, 3% is really quite significant in these spots. Definetely the difference between a clear call and a call fold, imo.

Agree with everything you say but then again my points related to calling with 22/33, which you also muck right?

Just call Nash although he's jamming wider

I don't know about you but I can only do Nash when I plug it into a calculator, certainly can't work it out off the top of my head when I'm playing a few tables, with the complication of a guy behind.

Get the charts then :)

I'm far from perfect but it's the easiest off table work you can do and doesn't take long, use indicators like 10bb utg 10b btn 15bb button etc and adjust slightly for different spots on the table

When you only have a few tables would be criminal not to have charts in background :)

I am aware of that sir, but its not alot of difference generally around 2%. dont think that factors into the equation that much.

Again 3% is not that much different and whose to say you have his range spot on, you could be 3% out for all we know ;)

Isn't it better to reshove than call or is that implied? In this hand I would reshove 33+,A4s+,KTs+,QJs,A7o+,KJo+ which is a little tight vs your estimated shoving range for the BU, but then we're relying on BB to call off only 5% and BU shoving hands like T6s, T8o, J5s.

Sorry yes, re shoving not calling. That range seems more or less what I'd do too so! Just threw in A2s and A3s as well.

its kind of irrelevant as he has to call it off to any shove behind anyway

I don't mind calling if we call with AA when deeper (or exposed to deeper behind) as it can induce later

I'm not sure if it is that irrelevant. With these exact stack sizes is it better to call/call or reshove this range? Bearing in mind that with this SB range as a whole we're happy when the BB folds. If calling looks stronger in that it implies that you're a lot more nutted than A4s, maybe that makes call/call better? Might get a few more folds from 77/88/AJo with flats.

its irrelevant from the point that we can never fold. whether you call/ call or rejam for me depends on your M.O. and your general play along with game flow. I would always call/call when the decision isn't there to be made after he jams

Agree with jables' post

It shouldn't look any different at all really.

Some of the things written in this thread are pretty ridiculous, as is its very existence in the first place

Your action and it's "meaning"  quite clearly depends on what has gone before. If he has seen you rejam with AA why would he think we wouldn't do it now. In terms of our decision, it clearly doesn't matter what we do

So much this

Just get the stove on

Yeh this was a lazy thread. It's easy to work it out with a few minutes on stove, I just wanted the answer straight away without having to so any of the work lol.

Oioi Jables20 is a massive hero. Welcome to blonde met(Edit-I mean post more).

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