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PokerStars Hand #99459592228: Tournament #807020025, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (125/250) - 2013/06/02 15:26:05 WET [2013/06/02 10:26:05 ET]
Table '807020025 3' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Valdemarius (7229 in chips)
Seat 2: 20alex430 (17139 in chips)
Seat 3: wieselsen (10046 in chips)
Seat 4: GreekToni777 (12885 in chips)
Seat 5: johansen1975 (3885 in chips)
Seat 6: Aussie_star1 (10220 in chips)
Seat 7: OneTreeHiII (12597 in chips)
Seat 8: DaDumon (5422 in chips)
Seat 9: fuddebuf (17887 in chips)
Valdemarius: posts the ante 25
20alex430: posts the ante 25
wieselsen: posts the ante 25
GreekToni777: posts the ante 25
johansen1975: posts the ante 25
Aussie_star1: posts the ante 25
OneTreeHiII: posts the ante 25
DaDumon: posts the ante 25
fuddebuf: posts the ante 25
GreekToni777: posts small blind 125
johansen1975: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 20alex430 [Jc Jh]
Aussie_star1: folds
OneTreeHiII: folds
DaDumon: folds
fuddebuf: raises 250 to 500
Valdemarius: folds
20alex430: calls 500
wieselsen: folds
GreekToni777: folds
johansen1975: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 6c Qh]
fuddebuf: bets 750
20alex430: calls 750
*** TURN *** [8c 6c Qh] [Kc]
fuddebuf: checks
20alex430: bets 1750

Thoughts on pre?

Turn was a bluff to fold out AQ, QJ, might have to fire river as well. Could potentially get AK, AA to fold by river too depending on river card.

Was a semi bluff as we have possibly 11 outs vs better hands

Was for value vs smaller pairs + clubs, Ax with Ac etc

Thoughts?

hmm, check back and hit a club imo.

Pre and flop are obviously fine.

On that board we're raising most of our flush draws - nut flush draw, top pair + fd, sd + fd - so I'm not too convinced we rep an especially strong hand when we bet the turn. I don't much like the idea of betting the turn, expecting to get called by a better hand, with the plan of barrelling him off it on the river. We do have a huge amount of showdown value right now, though, and if we have outs to improve on the river, let's try to hit them. If the river blanks off and he checks, I could even see myself betting for value.

how did we quadruple our stack pretty early in the "kickoff"?? if been v splashy or got lucky, then actually dont mind a 1-3 turn bet.

why?

AA>KK for 6k each.

feels thin. this 75ö bet on flop feels strongish, id expect him to bet smaller with like 77cx, also if he was doing some random bluffing on flop and giving up he v likely bluffs a club otr.

bet/check/bet line rarely bluff though?

worth making the play just to be able to start this thread imo, a legit triple merge, WP.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/basic-reasons-why-dwan-losing-durrrr-challenge-927127/

it's not a real thing.

if you don't think it's a real thing then you're not worth discussing poker strategy with

:P

Well look what I did here...

In any spot on the flop or the turn, you can have a value range, a bluff range and a semi bluff range. Here, I bet the turn as a genuine value bet, semi bluff and bluff. So I've merged those three ranges into one. Hence...

THE TRIPLE RANGE MERGE

Well played :D

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***** Hand History for Game 4864356039 ***** (IPoker)
$1000.00 USD PL Omaha - Thursday, June 06, 07:43:32 ET 2013
Table Francisi (No DP 50 bb min) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: ALBERTTO58 ( $748.00 USD )
Seat 3: xxsham1991xx ( $1199.50 USD )
Seat 5: schuschnix ( $2381.00 USD )
Seat 6: HERO ( $1000.00 USD )
Seat 8: Nutflu5h ( $2261.40 USD )
Seat 10: smoozy ( $1052.00 USD )
schuschnix posts small blind [$5.00 USD].
HERO posts big blind [$10.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [  Th Kc Qc 9c ]
Nutflu5h raises [$35.00 USD]
smoozy folds
ALBERTTO58 folds
xxsham1991xx folds
schuschnix folds
HERO calls [$25.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 2c, Tc ]
HERO checks
Nutflu5h bets [$52.50 USD]
HERO calls [$52.50 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
HERO checks
Nutflu5h bets [$90.00 USD]
HERO raises [$320.00 USD]
Nutflu5h calls [$230.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]
HERO bets [$592.50 USD]
Nutflu5h folds
HERO wins $1409.50 USD from main pot

Pretty sure this is a triple merge FWIW.

BOOOO-YAKA.

I will get it up on urbandictionary asap


 :goodpost: ;iagree; ;kneelsucker;

lol my "not worth discussing with" was a dig at wazz lol who made a silly post in that 2+2 thread that was linked :D

I'm still not enitrely sure exactly what a triple range merge is but I'm pretty sure I've done one, and it was sick, people stood up, high-fived me and were calling me the sickest Mofo in the room.

Ok lets have a go at this :D

SO, by definition a "range merge" is an exploitative play when you take hands from one range and use them in another, for example you have Q9 on AJ985 now this is typically a hand you would not value bet, but you decide for expoitative reasons you WILL value bet on this occasion - you have in essence "MERGED" your check back and your value betting range together. This would be also known as a "thin value bet" lol.

In the same example, spose you have KJ, a hand you would usually value-bet, HOWEVER you decide for some reason to BLUFF with it on this occasion, you have merged your Value-betting range and your bluffing range together - this would also be known as "turning your hand into a bluff" (lol)

It's a pretty old concept, traditionally you'd turn the worst hands you'd wanna check back into bluffs (because these have the least chance of winning at a showdown), you'd pick the best hands you'd wanna check back into value bets (as these have the best  chance of being called by worse) things have moved on a bit since then but i believe the basic theory that lies behind "merging your ranges" starts somewhere with that.

So a "triple range merge", imo would either be a hand that has gone through ALL the ranges - i.e you pick a hand from your value-betting range to bluff with (it's gone from value-bet, to pot control-to bluff) or visa versa you take a hand from your bluffing range and value-bet with it.

OR

It's a hand that you could either call, raise or fold (for value or as a bluff, or a combination of the two) with the idea to either bluff or valuebet a later street, in essence you don't have a value-betting, a checking or a bluffing range, you're using the same hand for all three (just depends exactly what you chose to do on this occasion)

Conclusion: I have no idea what a triple range merge is. The words don't even seem real.

I'm a simple soul but isn't this just barreling with tens on an Ace high board?

It's a value raise pre flop, it's semi-bluff on the flop, turn and dependent on image it could very well be any of the three options on the river?

How about this sort of holdem hand:

board reads  Ac 6d 7d 9d 4h

You have Ad Ks and make a thin value-bet on the river. Villain raises, we now use the blocker and turn our hand into a bluff by 3betting all-in.

Or would that be only a double range-merge?

make it Ad Jc and I think we have a possible winner!

A hand we would usualy have in our checking range we elect to use as a value-bet (merge 1) and we get raised, in a spot where our opponent is unikely to be making a thin value- raise, we have a hand we could use as a bluff catcher (merge2) but elect to bluff with it (merge3)

Interesting!