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Title: Two spots with Ace King Post by: Mark_Porter on July 16, 2013, 09:21:41 AM Right, here we go...
PokerStars Hand #101392156184: Tournament #757078225, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (40/80) - 2013/07/14 18:20:16 WET [2013/07/14 13:20:16 ET] Table '757078225 7' 9-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: rafalskyyy (2190 in chips) Seat 2: jeramm (11054 in chips) Seat 3: Sumer_link (4084 in chips) Seat 4: 1molylepke (3980 in chips) Seat 5: luccaspie (1785 in chips) Seat 6: laydown666 (3300 in chips) Seat 7: Mark_Port157 (3020 in chips) Seat 8: 6yJIb6off (2600 in chips) Seat 9: CharlieC80 (1188 in chips) laydown666: posts small blind 40 Mark_Port157: posts big blind 80 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Mark_Port157 [Kh Aspades] 6yJIb6off: folds CharlieC80: folds rafalskyyy: raises 80 to 160 jeramm: folds Sumer_link: folds 1molylepke: folds luccaspie: folds laydown666: folds Mark_Port157: calls 80 *** FLOP *** [8c 4d Ahrt] Mark_Port157: checks rafalskyyy: bets 187 Mark_Port157: calls 187 *** TURN *** [8c 4d Ahrt] [5s] Mark_Port157: checks rafalskyyy: bets 448 Mark_Port157: calls 448 *** RIVER *** [8c 4d Ahrt 5s] [9s] Mark_Port157: ? PokerStars Hand #101393050924: Tournament #757079548, $15.00+$1.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2013/07/14 18:38:21 WET [2013/07/14 13:38:21 ET] Table '757079548 113' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: Mark_Port157 (3260 in chips) Seat 2: hajete (2435 in chips) Seat 3: Aleks_310177 (2970 in chips) Seat 4: neckbr4ke (3015 in chips) Seat 5: platenik69 (3000 in chips) Seat 6: QuizaH (6555 in chips) Seat 7: TuTeCalmes! (2965 in chips) Seat 8: morc1us (2845 in chips) Seat 9: AlbertSHG (2955 in chips) Mark_Port157: posts small blind 15 hajete: posts big blind 30 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Mark_Port157 [Ad Kc] Aleks_310177: folds neckbr4ke: raises 30 to 60 platenik69: folds QuizaH: folds TuTeCalmes!: folds morc1us: folds AlbertSHG: folds Mark_Port157: calls 45 hajete: folds *** FLOP *** [Kh 7d 2c] Mark_Port157: checks neckbr4ke: bets 93 Mark_Port157: calls 93 *** TURN *** [Kh 7d 2c] [4d] Mark_Port157: checks neckbr4ke: bets 223 Mark_Port157: calls 223 *** RIVER *** [Kh 7d 2c 4d] [ Aspades] Mark_Port157: ? Hand 1 - Villain is playing 14/14 over 79 hands and is a decent winner in these games. Hand 2 - Villain is playing 20/12 over just 25 hands. He is a HSMTT'er and crushes with >$2.3 million in cashes. Interested in what people think of pre-flop, on the turn and now how we proceed on the river. Title: Re: Two spots with Ace King Post by: aaron1867 on July 16, 2013, 09:24:02 AM dunno why you have played it like you have, why so play it?
Title: Re: Two spots with Ace King Post by: Mark_Porter on July 16, 2013, 09:35:53 AM dunno why you have played it like you have, why so play it? What would you do differently? Assume 3bet pre? Title: Re: Two spots with Ace King Post by: aaron1867 on July 16, 2013, 09:41:02 AM I meant to slow play it not so play it.
yeah 3b Title: Re: Two spots with Ace King Post by: Mark_Porter on July 16, 2013, 09:43:55 AM Yeah, I would 3bet pre in most instances Not terrible to peel though? Villains are decent, we are out of position in early stages of MTT. Hand is nicely disguised no? Title: Re: Two spots with Ace King Post by: George2Loose on July 16, 2013, 09:47:54 AM Peeling is absolutely fine this early.
I Spose these spots depend on whether I think villains will value bet worse or if they're gonna check worse hands behind more often than not. Hand 2 looks like a good spot for villain to keep bluffing and rep the ace. Can't see U getting called by much worse hand one either so probs c/c both although hand one is close. Title: Re: Two spots with Ace King Post by: Mark_Porter on July 16, 2013, 09:48:33 AM And I would call the river on hand 1 now. Raise and try to get it in on hand 2. You should be happy getting it all in right? Don't like peeling so much OOP. Early stages, just play it straight forward. If you have been trying to disguise your hand, then what question are you asking for the river? Isn't it an obvious raise? Question on both rivers is whether we lead or not. Unsure whether river is Bet-call, Bet-fold or Check-call. Title: Re: Two spots with Ace King Post by: Pinchop73 on July 16, 2013, 09:52:44 AM This isn't a £25 live bird.
Played it fine pre this early imo. Vs villain in hand one c/jam turn. You need to ensure you c/jam turns with semi bluffs too though when you defend pre. Villain has too much in there now to be able to fold AQ/AJs. I think the danger with calling turn is that you don't realise your equity on the river as he's probs checking behind all his Ax. Hand two calling turn vs villain seems fine, as he's dece enough to fold Kx and capable enough to continue with bluffs on the river. On this specific river vs this player I think we can c/jam and get called by worse 2pr's, and get one more bet from his bluffs. He doesn't have it a lot more than he does. Title: Re: Two spots with Ace King Post by: Pinchop73 on July 16, 2013, 10:00:50 AM Hadn't even seen you'd posted by the time I'd finished typing. Calm down dear, it's great that you are posting, we are all constantly learning.
Title: Re: Two spots with Ace King Post by: dominic w on July 16, 2013, 11:09:52 AM Peeling is absolutely fine this early. agree with this. think a lot of people auto 3bet ak andd this is bad. with loads of big blinds i'm going to need a good reason to 3b especially from the blinds and it seems you've given a more than adequate reason to NOT 3bet. appreciate that cash game players itt will think you are "disguising" or "slowplaying" but you're protecting your range and your actual hand. hand #1 i like a check/jam on the turn as villain shouldn't really be able to fold Ax now and sometimes we get hero calls from KK and QQ. we shouldn't but sometimes we do in these $8 affairs lol. we give him a good opportunity to check back the river so as played i like shipping river. hand #2 vwp imo. check now and let him barrel that ace. can't see that much merit in check/raising as he shouldn't have A7/4/2 and he's going to be bet/fold Ax and Kx hands that were betting the river for value so that leaves sets and bluffs, think it's a very easy check/call on the river. Title: Re: Two spots with Ace King Post by: stato_1 on July 16, 2013, 11:13:26 AM Peeling is absolutely fine this early. agree with this. think a lot of people auto 3bet ak andd this is bad. with loads of big blinds i'm going to need a good reason to 3b especially from the blinds and it seems you've given a more than adequate reason to NOT 3bet. appreciate that cash game players itt will think you are "disguising" or "slowplaying" but you're protecting your range and your actual hand. hand #1 i like a check/jam on the turn as villain shouldn't really be able to fold Ax now and sometimes we get hero calls from KK and QQ. we shouldn't but sometimes we do in these $8 affairs lol. we give him a good opportunity to check back the river so as played i like shipping river. hand #2 vwp imo. check now and let him barrel that ace. can't see that much merit in check/raising as he shouldn't have A7/4/2 and he's going to be bet/fold Ax and Kx hands that were betting the river for value so that leaves sets and bluffs, think it's a very easy check/call on the river. :goodpost: Title: Re: Two spots with Ace King Post by: Pinchop73 on July 16, 2013, 11:37:48 AM Agreed c/c on river in hand 2 is superior than c/jam, hadn't considered what position villain had opened from. ;ashamed;
Hardly ever leading river in either hand btw OP. Folds out all his bluffs and most of his thin value bets. Title: Re: Two spots with Ace King Post by: AlexMartin on July 16, 2013, 11:44:03 AM Peeling is absolutely fine this early. agree with this. think a lot of people auto 3bet ak andd this is bad. with loads of big blinds i'm going to need a good reason to 3b especially from the blinds and it seems you've given a more than adequate reason to NOT 3bet. appreciate that cash game players itt will think you are "disguising" or "slowplaying" but you're protecting your range and your actual hand. hand #1 i like a check/jam on the turn as villain shouldn't really be able to fold Ax now and sometimes we get hero calls from KK and QQ. we shouldn't but sometimes we do in these $8 affairs lol. we give him a good opportunity to check back the river so as played i like shipping river. hand #2 vwp imo. check now and let him barrel that ace. can't see that much merit in check/raising as he shouldn't have A7/4/2 and he's going to be bet/fold Ax and Kx hands that were betting the river for value so that leaves sets and bluffs, think it's a very easy check/call on the river. are we bluffing? really think this is too thin, esp v a minraise pre. Cant imagine villain calling worse. Title: Re: Two spots with Ace King Post by: dominic w on July 16, 2013, 12:05:52 PM Peeling is absolutely fine this early. agree with this. think a lot of people auto 3bet ak andd this is bad. with loads of big blinds i'm going to need a good reason to 3b especially from the blinds and it seems you've given a more than adequate reason to NOT 3bet. appreciate that cash game players itt will think you are "disguising" or "slowplaying" but you're protecting your range and your actual hand. hand #1 i like a check/jam on the turn as villain shouldn't really be able to fold Ax now and sometimes we get hero calls from KK and QQ. we shouldn't but sometimes we do in these $8 affairs lol. we give him a good opportunity to check back the river so as played i like shipping river. hand #2 vwp imo. check now and let him barrel that ace. can't see that much merit in check/raising as he shouldn't have A7/4/2 and he's going to be bet/fold Ax and Kx hands that were betting the river for value so that leaves sets and bluffs, think it's a very easy check/call on the river. are we bluffing? really think this is too thin, esp v a minraise pre. Cant imagine villain calling worse. think our hand is slightly too strong to bluffcatch with. maybe villain will fold AQ/J/T but they will almost always check behind with these hands. i think if we check river we have to fold if we're not happy to vbet our hand on this runout. what range do you assign villain getting to this river with as played? Title: Re: Two spots with Ace King Post by: TL900 on July 16, 2013, 02:30:37 PM pre is totally standard/optimal in both hands imo. Play both the same up to the river and c/call both now.
Title: Re: Two spots with Ace King Post by: Mark_Porter on July 16, 2013, 02:45:50 PM Thanks for feedback, I went with the check/call..
*** RIVER *** [8c 4d Ahrt 5s] [9s] Mark_Port157: checks rafalskyyy: bets 899 Mark_Port157: calls 899 *** RIVER *** [Kh 7d 2c 4d] [ Aspades] Mark_Port157: checks neckbr4ke: bets 575 Mark_Port157: calls 575 Title: Re: Two spots with Ace King Post by: wazz on July 18, 2013, 05:35:22 PM Hand 1 I think a 3bet pre is better simply because villain is only 28bb deep to start the hand and we benefit from getting him to fold all his small->medium pocket pairs. Don't have to be much deeper tho before we shouldn't have a 3bet range vs an utg open. I check-call all the way, don't know how many triple-barrels we can expect but this is the top of our range and he will have worse in his value range.
Hand 2 I'm tempted to donk both turn and this river big but as played would also check the river with the plan to check-raise but not especially big. |