Two spots with Ace King

[Mark_Porter]

Right, here we go...

PokerStars Hand #101392156184: Tournament #757078225, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (40/80) - 2013/07/14 18:20:16 WET [2013/07/14 13:20:16 ET]
Table '757078225 7' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: rafalskyyy (2190 in chips)
Seat 2: jeramm (11054 in chips)
Seat 3: Sumer_link (4084 in chips)
Seat 4: 1molylepke (3980 in chips)
Seat 5: luccaspie (1785 in chips)
Seat 6: laydown666 (3300 in chips)
Seat 7: Mark_Port157 (3020 in chips)
Seat 8: 6yJIb6off (2600 in chips)
Seat 9: CharlieC80 (1188 in chips)
laydown666: posts small blind 40
Mark_Port157: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mark_Port157 [  ]
6yJIb6off: folds
CharlieC80: folds
rafalskyyy: raises 80 to 160
jeramm: folds
Sumer_link: folds
1molylepke: folds
luccaspie: folds
laydown666: folds
Mark_Port157: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [   ]
Mark_Port157: checks
rafalskyyy: bets 187
Mark_Port157: calls 187
*** TURN *** [   ] []
Mark_Port157: checks
rafalskyyy: bets 448
Mark_Port157: calls 448
*** RIVER *** [   ] []
Mark_Port157: ?

PokerStars Hand #101393050924: Tournament #757079548, $15.00+$1.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2013/07/14 18:38:21 WET [2013/07/14 13:38:21 ET]
Table '757079548 113' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Mark_Port157 (3260 in chips)
Seat 2: hajete (2435 in chips)
Seat 3: Aleks_310177 (2970 in chips)
Seat 4: neckbr4ke (3015 in chips)
Seat 5: platenik69 (3000 in chips)
Seat 6: QuizaH (6555 in chips)
Seat 7: TuTeCalmes! (2965 in chips)
Seat 8: morc1us (2845 in chips)
Seat 9: AlbertSHG (2955 in chips)
Mark_Port157: posts small blind 15
hajete: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mark_Port157 [ ]
Aleks_310177: folds
neckbr4ke: raises 30 to 60
platenik69: folds
QuizaH: folds
TuTeCalmes!: folds
morc1us: folds
AlbertSHG: folds
Mark_Port157: calls 45
hajete: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Mark_Port157: checks
neckbr4ke: bets 93
Mark_Port157: calls 93
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Mark_Port157: checks
neckbr4ke: bets 223
Mark_Port157: calls 223
*** RIVER *** [ ] [ ]
Mark_Port157: ?

Hand 1 - Villain is playing 14/14 over 79 hands and is a decent winner in these games.
Hand 2 - Villain is playing 20/12 over just 25 hands. He is a HSMTT'er and crushes with >$2.3 million in cashes.

Interested in what people think of pre-flop, on the turn and now how we proceed on the river.

[aaron1867]

dunno why you have played it like you have, why so play it?

[Mark_Porter]

dunno why you have played it like you have, why so play it?

What would you do differently? Assume 3bet pre?

[aaron1867]

I meant to slow play it not so play it.

yeah 3b

[Mark_Porter]

Yeah, I would 3bet pre in most instances

Not terrible to peel though? Villains are decent, we are out of position in early stages of MTT. Hand is nicely disguised no?

[George2Loose]

Peeling is absolutely fine this early.

I Spose these spots depend on whether I think villains will value bet worse or if they're gonna check worse hands behind more often than not.

Hand 2 looks like a good spot for villain to keep bluffing and rep the ace. Can't see U getting called by much worse hand one either so probs c/c both although hand one is close.

[Mark_Porter]

And I would call the river on hand 1 now.

Raise and try to get it in on hand 2.

You should be happy getting it all in right?

Don't like peeling so much OOP. Early stages, just play it straight forward. If you have been trying to disguise your hand, then what question are you asking for the river? Isn't it an obvious raise?

Question on both rivers is whether we lead or not. Unsure whether river is Bet-call, Bet-fold or Check-call.

[Pinchop73]

This isn't a £25 live bird.

Played it fine pre this early imo. Vs villain in hand one c/jam turn. You need to ensure you c/jam turns with semi bluffs too though when you defend pre. Villain has too much in there now to be able to fold AQ/AJs. I think the danger with calling turn is that you don't realise your equity on the river as he's probs checking behind all his Ax.

Hand two calling turn vs villain seems fine, as he's dece enough to fold Kx and capable enough to continue with bluffs on the river. On this specific river vs this player I think we can c/jam and get called by worse 2pr's, and get one more bet from his bluffs. He doesn't have it a lot more than he does.

[Pinchop73]

Hadn't even seen you'd posted by the time I'd finished typing. Calm down dear, it's great that you are posting, we are all constantly learning.

[dominic w]

Peeling is absolutely fine this early.

agree with this. think a lot of people auto 3bet ak andd this is bad. with loads of big blinds i'm going to need a good reason to 3b especially from the blinds and it seems you've given a more than adequate reason to NOT 3bet. appreciate that cash game players itt will think you are "disguising" or "slowplaying" but you're protecting your range and your actual hand.

hand #1 i like a check/jam on the turn as villain shouldn't really be able to fold Ax now and sometimes we get hero calls from KK and QQ. we shouldn't but sometimes we do in these $8 affairs lol. we give him a good opportunity to check back the river so as played i like shipping river.

hand #2 vwp imo. check now and let him barrel that ace. can't see that much merit in check/raising as he shouldn't have A7/4/2 and he's going to be bet/fold Ax and Kx hands that were betting the river for value so that leaves sets and bluffs, think it's a very easy check/call on the river.

[stato_1]

Peeling is absolutely fine this early.

agree with this. think a lot of people auto 3bet ak andd this is bad. with loads of big blinds i'm going to need a good reason to 3b especially from the blinds and it seems you've given a more than adequate reason to NOT 3bet. appreciate that cash game players itt will think you are "disguising" or "slowplaying" but you're protecting your range and your actual hand.

hand #1 i like a check/jam on the turn as villain shouldn't really be able to fold Ax now and sometimes we get hero calls from KK and QQ. we shouldn't but sometimes we do in these $8 affairs lol. we give him a good opportunity to check back the river so as played i like shipping river.

hand #2 vwp imo. check now and let him barrel that ace. can't see that much merit in check/raising as he shouldn't have A7/4/2 and he's going to be bet/fold Ax and Kx hands that were betting the river for value so that leaves sets and bluffs, think it's a very easy check/call on the river.

 

[Pinchop73]

Agreed c/c on river in hand 2 is superior than c/jam, hadn't considered what position villain had opened from.

Hardly ever leading river in either hand btw OP. Folds out all his bluffs and most of his thin value bets.

[AlexMartin]

Peeling is absolutely fine this early.

agree with this. think a lot of people auto 3bet ak andd this is bad. with loads of big blinds i'm going to need a good reason to 3b especially from the blinds and it seems you've given a more than adequate reason to NOT 3bet. appreciate that cash game players itt will think you are "disguising" or "slowplaying" but you're protecting your range and your actual hand.

hand #1 i like a check/jam on the turn as villain shouldn't really be able to fold Ax now and sometimes we get hero calls from KK and QQ. we shouldn't but sometimes we do in these $8 affairs lol. we give him a good opportunity to check back the river so as played i like shipping river.

hand #2 vwp imo. check now and let him barrel that ace. can't see that much merit in check/raising as he shouldn't have A7/4/2 and he's going to be bet/fold Ax and Kx hands that were betting the river for value so that leaves sets and bluffs, think it's a very easy check/call on the river.

are we bluffing? really think this is too thin, esp v a minraise pre. Cant imagine villain calling worse.

[dominic w]

Peeling is absolutely fine this early.

agree with this. think a lot of people auto 3bet ak andd this is bad. with loads of big blinds i'm going to need a good reason to 3b especially from the blinds and it seems you've given a more than adequate reason to NOT 3bet. appreciate that cash game players itt will think you are "disguising" or "slowplaying" but you're protecting your range and your actual hand.

hand #1 i like a check/jam on the turn as villain shouldn't really be able to fold Ax now and sometimes we get hero calls from KK and QQ. we shouldn't but sometimes we do in these $8 affairs lol. we give him a good opportunity to check back the river so as played i like shipping river.

hand #2 vwp imo. check now and let him barrel that ace. can't see that much merit in check/raising as he shouldn't have A7/4/2 and he's going to be bet/fold Ax and Kx hands that were betting the river for value so that leaves sets and bluffs, think it's a very easy check/call on the river.

are we bluffing? really think this is too thin, esp v a minraise pre. Cant imagine villain calling worse.

think our hand is slightly too strong to bluffcatch with. maybe villain will fold AQ/J/T but they will almost always check behind with these hands. i think if we check river we have to fold if we're not happy to vbet our hand on this runout. what range do you assign villain getting to this river with as played?

[TL900]

pre is totally standard/optimal in both hands imo. Play both the same up to the river and c/call both now.