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Original raiser in this hand has been battling with the BB all comp long, really attacking each other. Is a decent winner but imo hasn't been playing particularly well vs the BB, who shows up as a very low volume HS break even player, has been super active opening everything from everywhere.

thoughts?

PokerStars Hand #101653243275: Tournament #814010506, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (80/160) - 2013/07/20 13:31:54 ET
Table '814010506 5' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: bobicamica (7156 in chips)
Seat 2: LlKE A G6 (4780 in chips)
Seat 3: Eln$nho (16284 in chips)
Seat 4: shinbunshi (3275 in chips)
Seat 5: Waldur1983 (8890 in chips)
Seat 6: j.thaddeus (8032 in chips)
Seat 7: Run dat Game (5275 in chips)
Seat 8: Ultraballs18 (12519 in chips)
Seat 9: haysie7 (12360 in chips)
bobicamica: posts the ante 15
LlKE A G6: posts the ante 15
Eln$nho: posts the ante 15
shinbunshi: posts the ante 15
Waldur1983: posts the ante 15
j.thaddeus: posts the ante 15
Run dat Game: posts the ante 15
Ultraballs18: posts the ante 15
haysie7: posts the ante 15
Ultraballs18: posts small blind 80
haysie7: posts big blind 160
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ultraballs18 [6h 6s]
bobicamica: folds
LlKE A G6: folds
Eln$nho: raises 160 to 320
shinbunshi: folds
Waldur1983: folds
j.thaddeus: folds
Run dat Game: folds
Ultraballs18: raises 380 to 700
haysie7: calls 540
Eln$nho: calls 380
*** FLOP *** [5h 4h 2s]
Ultraballs18: bets 915
haysie7: calls 915
Eln$nho: calls 915
*** TURN *** [5h 4h 2s] [7h]
Ultraballs18: checks
haysie7: bets 2400
Eln$nho: calls 2400
Ultraballs18: raises 8489 to 10889 and is all-in
haysie7: folds
Eln$nho: calls 8489
*** RIVER *** [5h 4h 2s 7h] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ultraballs18: shows [6h 6s] (a straight, Three to Seven)
Eln$nho: shows [5c 5d] (three of a kind, Fives)
Ultraballs18 collected 29158 from pot

flat pre imo. or fold

You don't always have to take an orthadox line pre pleno.

Overall I really hate it (sorry). Eln$ has flatted pre, flatted the flop and then flatted the turn. His range isn't exactly weak is it. He should be folding 77-JJ hands here if he has any sense given the action. He just looks so strong to me!

huh? its not orthadox or unorthadox i just think its bad. we should try to avoid from making bad lines pre flop imo!  people just v hoody these days and not folding much

You can prob 3bet with better hands like 97s I guess if someone opens a ton.

Don't be silly Dan! I'm actively looking for criticism!

But bare in mind that the BB can (and has) have complete air here on a steal, not much of 3b ranges can call.

fold pre imo

80bb deep with antes otb vs a min open, really?

were in sb

ye i would call anywhere but the sb especially in a 100r with better hand readers

Just river a 3 and you'll be fine

If you are a massive nit and you don't really have a great feel for the game then peeling 6's from the sb vs a good player probably isn't going to show a profit. I find it impossible to think that folding 6's myself here is a good idea and I don't consider myself a great player by any means.

I actually only just realised we are in the sb though, it makes the 3bet pretty bad imo. People don't like to fold and 6's don't play well post flop OOP.

I feel like with the antes and our opponents, whilst good, have clearly shown they aren't afraid to get chips in. There probably is a line though, I imagine with 22 we'd struggle, at least 66  s can overset someone. I've never played these stakes though.

I'm not folding pre, think u have a great stack and the other two are deep enough to get the lot if u flop it, but that's just it really. > peel pre, check call flop, check decide turn, if not so big may peel again but I wouldn't be confident and think its v. Fishy with the 3 hearts down now.

In honesty think u have butchered the hand, and took a real high variance line out of position in a very good structured tournament with a decent stack, where the key is to preserve and put pressure on the better players in a much better position than u were in above.

Tbf the 100r is never really the highest on the fav game lists of nits

Agree with the flat pre and as played it seems that eln$ has a hand he won't fold the vast majority of the time.

Both flat and fold pre are fine imo but 3b definitely isn't - you just don't flop well enough or have easy decisions, and even when you have an overpair you can get screwed as we can see.

'orthodox'

Don't 3-bet pre, but if you do go for bigger sizing.

Worst part of the hand is check-jam on the turn. What are you trying to get em to fold? Also we could be drawing completely dead.

Really don't like the turn shove, the flat from eln fella looks super strong on a wet board, we'll oft be overflushed/against sets with dead outs already

Only if he has the old  3h 8h

the sizing is what makes this 3b so bad. He has to peel with everything, still a decent p:s ratio, chance of multiway action and ur oop. If you made is 890 i wouldnt mind it, its fun to gamble.