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Full Name: Mark Hawkins
2+2 username: The Falcon
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PokerStars: Kinghawko
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Mark Hawkins applied to Fish&Chips around March 10 looking for a long term stake in 180s. After confirming his details and getting in touch with his reference we took him on a makeup deal. He kept in touch regularly and kept playing for us until June 20; at that point he was 1.4k$ in makeup and had 600$ left in the pokerstars account (we sent him 2k$ including reloads). After that day he completely disappeared, we tried contacting him repeatedly with no success. We got in touch with his reference a few weeks ago; he told us that Mark would contact us shortly on skype to clear things up. We gave him plenty of time to do so, but he never materialized online so it has come to this.

Looks like he's had your leg up

Is this really the place for airing your grievances? Fair enough of you were a frequent member, or if the "grimmer" was on blonde but I don't think being ripped off for £1500 gives you licence to spam the internet.

+potential libel problems for blonde?

he's not "airing his greivences" is he.

Suggesting 2+2 Negative Feedback Thread is used as the universal repository ~ that is the most established thread, so it makes sense to keep it all under one roof rather than everyone having to check multiple sources, so I'd encourage you to post there too, if you haven't already.

That said, if this player is a UK player or well known to Blonde (?) then cross-posting here is abs fine (subject to Blonde Mgt being fine with it too)

We're not fans of blonde being "used" by new posters who just come here with a self interest, & then disappear.

Too often there is no credible evidence, & immediately outing them is not right. Nor is it permissible to publish credible details

In this case we removed the post and made enquiries via a close friend of Mark, who we know well, and as it turns out knows the new poster too. Once he confirmed some facts for us, we then returned to our other "duty" here which is to make sure no one on the blonde community is taken advantage of in potential situations concerning the individual concerned and we are in possession of knowledge

If we were unable to confirm some facts, the post would have remained down. Many are. The post was put back up minus contact details

thread is absolutely fine. thanks for posting op.

Must be OK then.  The boss has spoken.

Patrick, I was wondering if it would be alright if I went to DTD next Saturday?

have you tried turning it off and on again?

LOL MODS

but sorry i was playing 20 tables.

one continament thread would be good that is easily googleable.

Plinop asks the questions round here!!!

When I saw Fish and Chips had joined I was expecting someone from Daves Fish Bar had joined to give Frankie mad rubs

haha

Justin Hawkins tho

Mark now lives in my home town.

No intentions of posting details but it's my understanding he has had some quite big personal issues.  Certainly not making excuses for him but having been in a position myself where being brought low by life led to a stupid and un thought out move, I can at least feel some empathy for him.

I doubt he intentionally set out to grim anyone and I'm certainly sure a thread like this will not help his mental state at all.

I don't think posts are meant to be a public gibbet for misdemeanours, so whilst his mental state is unfortunate, it is useful information to be out there, given how much staking takes place.

Hahahaha

Used to be fairly friendly with him.
He's owed me five grand for 5/6 years and hasn't shown the slightest inclination to pay anything back.
Think it's fair enough for OP to warn others.

Why not sent "BOYS" to his house ? I m sure u knew where he live ! Just suggestion

It's all well and good someone making a post like this and someone else contributing a comment along the same lines.

Unless it can be backed up it could be considered defamation.  How do we know there is any substance to these allegations?  Also, I am sure there are two sides to every story.

I could start a thread about someone and claim they owe me money.  In fact, I know of at least two people in the last year or so who do.  Can I back it up with anything other than my word - no unfortunately.

Is this forum the place to make this type of post?  If so, where does it end?

I think you are right here BUT I don't think someone will come here and wrote something that someone haven't done !! Don't think this problems should be solve in public forum. When he/she borrowed the money , I don't think that everyone in this forum knew about it but why now ? #PRIVATEMATTERS

I would say that is very trusting of you.  People do all sorts of things with all sorts of motives.  I'm not saying this guy is doing that, but how do we know.  Private matters indeed Frankie.

Hi we agree with you guys. If we were unable to corroborate the OP it would have been taken down as hearsay etc

In this case, as we explained on the day, we were able to speak to a person we trust who posts on here daily and who knows both the OP and Mr Hawkins closely who confirmed the facts. If we hadn't the post would have remained off the forum (it was orginally removed, but in this case we had an avenue to make an enquiry)

In these instances we balance out these factors with wanting to make sure an active staking community on here isn't denied knowledge about a situation

In general, the long standing 2+2 negative feeback thread is I think the first resource for these type of situations.

So there shouldn't be posts like this, that are there to warn and help the poker community.

Aaron - I didn't say that.

Tighty - sorry I didn't pay more attention to your post on Page 1.  You have your process.  I'm not going to argue against it.

Simon/mouth - personal circumstances shouldn't be used as mitigation in any cases such as these.

I don't know more details of this.  Just voiced a concern about the post and that has received a response now.

It's not that black & white though Aaron.

When are y going to pay my £10 ? Not in black and white , IS IT ?

Have been alerted to this post by a friend.

Would like to state I handled things pretty badly, basically was near $1800 in makeup and dusted off the last couple of hundred being stupid on tilt. I should have faced up to backers and said what had happened but things had been bad for me personally so went off the rails and ignored it. Have offered to pay the backers back the money I lost that I wasn't staked for and even offered to grind back the rest of the makeup. However they have since handled the situation as badly imo, threatening me with debt collectors and insisting I owe the entire 2k even though nearly $1800 was lost completely legitimately grinding the games I had been staked for. Whilst its not acceptable at all, im sure im not the first and wont be the last person to tilt and do the last bit of a roll on games im not rolled for, and ive offered to pay this back.

KP you have my details, you can get in touch

Talking of grimmers       ......        can someone start a thread on that dastardly Vincent Calenti - he must owe most people on Blonde minimum one dinner, not to mention all those puddings!

outed at last...the degree of his grim is epic... only last week he and a nameless chinaman ( Gavin Kan Hemel Hempstead..blonde name Pizzled ) persuaded the owner of our favourite Kebab establishment (who cannot add up) to increase his usual price by 25% as it was my turn to pay for the 42nd time in a row ( those boys are so unlucky to lose so many wallets )..there was also a sly ordering of trifles post kebab

Hawko if you lose $1800 and go into make-up and then go off the rails then not in a million years are people going to want to back you again. Either they were stupid for backing someone who doesn't take poker very seriously or you gave them a false sense of security. I'm not saying it is one or the other as I don't know/don't care but as long as you are aware that you are not an appropriate person to be backed in the future then know that if you do ever get backed again, it is likely that you are being deceiving towards the people that are backing you.

Very poor form.

Completely guilty. Will seek help.

I'm meeting pizzled for peters tonight to discuss.

He's paying.

Opposite experience with Vinny tbh. I'm the one grimming him as it stands!

Think he's hustling me though, holding out for the big score.

Ŷou got it spot on. £3.50 manky burger in southend, in return for a nandos when I'm up next.

Can you believe some idiot offered to take me to hawksmoor next week? Might start a 'I fed vinny' thread.

Was only £16 tonight and we ate more than usual. Maybe you need to eat less when you go there?

Quicker to start the "I haven't gone busto buying vinny dinner yet thread".....



what time we going hawksmoor ? :p

Update:
We exchanged some e-mails with Mark where he offered to pay back the stolen money and play to make back the make up. Given the situation, we explained restarting the deal was not an option (given he was out of contact for months and any personal issues cited took place before we took him on and were never mentioed prior to our last email exchanges) and we are more than happy for a third party knowlegable in these situations to adjudicate the fairest outcome. He was adamant in wanting no third party mediation and has not sent back anything.

If he offers to pay back missing money and you dont want him to play off the make up then deal ends with make up written off after all its a stake with risks not a loan. If you wish the make up paid off then he has to be able to play on stake so you need to sell it on or stake him IMHO

You are correct. Unfortunately it's poor form for someone to be backed to just disappear. The guy in question has shown extremely poor form and they certainly won't risk throwing money at him again.

At the end of the day, there should be little sympathy (some, but only a little) when investors lose money on backing someone. If the person being backed drops out and does one then he shouldn't have been invested on in the first place. These days there is a ton of info out there on people, anonymity is difficult. Coupled with the fact that there are tracking sites showing peoples profit history means that if you are savvy enough you shouldn't get burnt. There are exceptions though.

If every person getting backed was a trustworthy profitable player in good health then people would be throwing money left right and center at them. As it happens, people do that anyway although that fase seems to be dying out a little (search the thread on here "When will the gravy train end").

Given the situation, there is no way we could consider restaking him and it is important this thread is on here so others are away of his behaviour. If a player plays in accordance to the contract then I agree they are not obliged to pay back make up if dropped, but if a player seriously violates the contract there needs to be protection for the backer that the player will be punished in this instance otherwise there is no incentive for them not to do it again (i.e being obliged to pay back the make up). These terms are clearly laid out in any contract we give to a player.

Good luck that contract standing up in court. It's gambling after all. Say I am average Joe who has had a good year at poker but I've only been playing for a couple of years. You decide to back me and I go into a lot of make-up, I then say that I don't want to be a part of the investment anymore. What is your line? You can't do anything because that person could just effectively start losing your money on purpose until you decide to drop them. No way you can write out a contract for someone to be liable for their gambling losses on your own investment. It's all about trust.

LOL at the total lack of understanding in this post.

what am i miss understanding make up is make up if a backer pulls out of a deal while in make up then the player walks away debt free

ok this case is a little complicated because on face of it looks like the player walked out on the deal but he claims no internet

and wants too continue on stake despite what on the face of it looks like a grim

What you are missing is that the basis of any staking relationship is trust and once that has gone it's over. The guy went missing for months.

This is purely from the staker's perspective and nothing personal, but having lost their trust in a player how do they know they will get paid even if he does a bink?

totally understand that but they cant expect make up back now yes the money played that wasnt involved in stake is due them but not the make up

Eating trifle after a kebab seems weird

oh dear Iron.

Hawko man up and pay them the full amount. I think that's totally fair.

Good luck with your personal issues.

Has someone called the police?

LOL