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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2013, 10:37:42 AM » |
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Talking of grimmers ...... can someone start a thread on that dastardly Vincent Calenti - he must owe most people on Blonde minimum one dinner, not to mention all those puddings!
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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2013, 11:04:44 AM » |
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Talking of grimmers ...... can someone start a thread on that dastardly Vincent Calenti - he must owe most people on Blonde minimum one dinner, not to mention all those puddings!
outed at last...the degree of his grim is epic... only last week he and a nameless chinaman ( Gavin Kan Hemel Hempstead..blonde name Pizzled ) persuaded the owner of our favourite Kebab establishment (who cannot add up) to increase his usual price by 25% as it was my turn to pay for the 42nd time in a row ( those boys are so unlucky to lose so many wallets )..there was also a sly ordering of trifles post kebab |
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« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2013, 11:24:14 AM » |
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Hawko if you lose $1800 and go into make-up and then go off the rails then not in a million years are people going to want to back you again. Either they were stupid for backing someone who doesn't take poker very seriously or you gave them a false sense of security. I'm not saying it is one or the other as I don't know/don't care but as long as you are aware that you are not an appropriate person to be backed in the future then know that if you do ever get backed again, it is likely that you are being deceiving towards the people that are backing you.
Very poor form.
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« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2013, 04:23:08 PM » |
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Talking of grimmers ...... can someone start a thread on that dastardly Vincent Calenti - he must owe most people on Blonde minimum one dinner, not to mention all those puddings!
Completely guilty. Will seek help. I'm meeting pizzled for peters tonight to discuss. He's paying. |
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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2013, 05:50:06 PM » |
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Opposite experience with Vinny tbh. I'm the one grimming him as it stands!
Think he's hustling me though, holding out for the big score.
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« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2013, 09:11:22 PM » |
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Opposite experience with Vinny tbh. I'm the one grimming him as it stands!
Think he's hustling me though, holding out for the big score.
Ŷou got it spot on. £3.50 manky burger in southend, in return for a nandos when I'm up next. Can you believe some idiot offered to take me to hawksmoor next week? Might start a 'I fed vinny' thread. |
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« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2013, 09:26:34 PM » |
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Talking of grimmers ...... can someone start a thread on that dastardly Vincent Calenti - he must owe most people on Blonde minimum one dinner, not to mention all those puddings!
outed at last...the degree of his grim is epic... only last week he and a nameless chinaman ( Gavin Kan Hemel Hempstead..blonde name Pizzled ) persuaded the owner of our favourite Kebab establishment (who cannot add up) to increase his usual price by 25% as it was my turn to pay for the 42nd time in a row ( those boys are so unlucky to lose so many wallets )..there was also a sly ordering of trifles post kebab Was only £16 tonight and we ate more than usual. Maybe you need to eat less when you go there? |
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« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2013, 09:33:17 PM » |
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Opposite experience with Vinny tbh. I'm the one grimming him as it stands!
Think he's hustling me though, holding out for the big score.
Ŷou got it spot on. £3.50 manky burger in southend, in return for a nandos when I'm up next. Can you believe some idiot offered to take me to hawksmoor next week? Might start a 'I fed vinny' thread.Quicker to start the "I haven't gone busto buying vinny dinner yet thread"..... what time we going hawksmoor ? :p |
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« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2013, 03:43:46 AM » |
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Update:
We exchanged some e-mails with Mark where he offered to pay back the stolen money and play to make back the make up. Given the situation, we explained restarting the deal was not an option (given he was out of contact for months and any personal issues cited took place before we took him on and were never mentioed prior to our last email exchanges) and we are more than happy for a third party knowlegable in these situations to adjudicate the fairest outcome. He was adamant in wanting no third party mediation and has not sent back anything.
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« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2013, 02:38:00 PM » |
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If he offers to pay back missing money and you dont want him to play off the make up then deal ends with make up written off after all its a stake with risks not a loan. If you wish the make up paid off then he has to be able to play on stake so you need to sell it on or stake him IMHO
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« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2013, 02:54:04 PM » |
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If he offers to pay back missing money and you dont want him to play off the make up then deal ends with make up written off after all its a stake with risks not a loan. If you wish the make up paid off then he has to be able to play on stake so you need to sell it on or stake him IMHO
You are correct. Unfortunately it's poor form for someone to be backed to just disappear. The guy in question has shown extremely poor form and they certainly won't risk throwing money at him again. At the end of the day, there should be little sympathy (some, but only a little) when investors lose money on backing someone. If the person being backed drops out and does one then he shouldn't have been invested on in the first place. These days there is a ton of info out there on people, anonymity is difficult. Coupled with the fact that there are tracking sites showing peoples profit history means that if you are savvy enough you shouldn't get burnt. There are exceptions though. If every person getting backed was a trustworthy profitable player in good health then people would be throwing money left right and center at them. As it happens, people do that anyway although that fase seems to be dying out a little (search the thread on here "When will the gravy train end"). |
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« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2013, 06:51:22 PM » |
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Given the situation, there is no way we could consider restaking him and it is important this thread is on here so others are away of his behaviour. If a player plays in accordance to the contract then I agree they are not obliged to pay back make up if dropped, but if a player seriously violates the contract there needs to be protection for the backer that the player will be punished in this instance otherwise there is no incentive for them not to do it again (i.e being obliged to pay back the make up). These terms are clearly laid out in any contract we give to a player.
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« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2013, 06:55:17 PM » |
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Given the situation, there is no way we could consider restaking him and it is important this thread is on here so others are away of his behaviour. If a player plays in accordance to the contract then I agree they are not obliged to pay back make up if dropped, but if a player seriously violates the contract there needs to be protection for the backer that the player will be punished in this instance otherwise there is no incentive for them not to do it again (i.e being obliged to pay back the make up). These terms are clearly laid out in any contract we give to a player.
Good luck that contract standing up in court. It's gambling after all. Say I am average Joe who has had a good year at poker but I've only been playing for a couple of years. You decide to back me and I go into a lot of make-up, I then say that I don't want to be a part of the investment anymore. What is your line? You can't do anything because that person could just effectively start losing your money on purpose until you decide to drop them. No way you can write out a contract for someone to be liable for their gambling losses on your own investment. It's all about trust. |
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stato_1 said, "banoffee pie i reckon"
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« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2013, 07:25:51 PM » |
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If he offers to pay back missing money and you dont want him to play off the make up then deal ends with make up written off after all its a stake with risks not a loan. If you wish the make up paid off then he has to be able to play on stake so you need to sell it on or stake him IMHO
LOL at the total lack of understanding in this post. |
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« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2013, 07:29:25 PM » |
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If he offers to pay back missing money and you dont want him to play off the make up then deal ends with make up written off after all its a stake with risks not a loan. If you wish the make up paid off then he has to be able to play on stake so you need to sell it on or stake him IMHO
LOL at the total lack of understanding in this post. what am i miss understanding make up is make up if a backer pulls out of a deal while in make up then the player walks away debt free ok this case is a little complicated because on face of it looks like the player walked out on the deal but he claims no internet and wants too continue on stake despite what on the face of it looks like a grim |
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