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Following hand is final two tables of Big 162. First flatter is a reg - have rather unhelpful note 'Can go baliss' and colour coded with my 'absurd bad' tag. Button flatter is a good reg. Big blind is a weak player.

Understand open is very lag and very optional. Most interested in the streets.

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I like to jam turn. You have to assume that the first peeler can have some rofl hands if he is a bit of a rofler. Not impossible for them to have a set but at least with jamming you are repping an over pair pretty well. You're still almost guaranteed 25% equity if you get called so if you manage to make them fold more than roughly 25% of the time you will show a profit.

Pre I might go for if the tables letting me having it my own way.

Think the c.bet is standard given the flop, that we can still rep a strong hand and and improve OTT.

The turn is the interesting bit.  Not sure if I prefer continuing or check calling.  Probably just continue (60k) because it shows rediculous strength into 2 players and taking it down now is still a great result for us, by checking I think we win the pot less.

Yeah, betting the turn is the same as going all-in though. Maybe it looks stronger though? I dunno.

Yeh I think it looks stronger.

Dan - What hands is villain bet folding? Third player in hand makes his betting range so much stronger. Is eighteen players left too early to be factoring in ICM and the importance of not busting?

 

So you want to bet and call?

Yeh, will be getting a great price with a boat load of outs.

The other thing as well, if we're going to open K6ss here, we should probably be maxing our aggression especially when we hit the board pretty much as hard as we could have hoped for.

Think what you did on the turn must be better, bet calling seems likely to be bad, though guess your draw could be better than his sometimes.   It all feels ok, albeit expensive.  

Any thoughts on soft fields for chippyman's thread on the rail? You must have been gutted to get moved off our table where you had direct position on the two biggest fish.

I meant jamming not check jamming.

i think c/betting here is pretty poor and very optimistic looking at positions and stacks. That said i actually think the turn is interesting, and i personally would check/rip with these sizes, any deeper and i think its potentially a great 3 barrel spot.

i think if we bet this flop we have to go for 3 streets but because its so multi way spr is never going to be good enough to allow us to do so meaning that betting the flop will probably be a big leak as we will be c-folding the turn a lot and they have a bunch of hands that will call one but fold to a second barrel.

As played i dont know if we have good enough equity to go ahead and check call as he will potentially check back on a bunch of rivers when we improve.

Open pile the turn! Going to be fine, as line is divine.

What's HollyH3ll range for over calling? I assume that he had JT with a backdoor, but if we jam dont we run into a set a huge amount of the time.

The reason hand has stayed with me is because in the past i would have thought almost any type of passive line was a big mistake, but we're getting great odds on turn and if it gone bet/shove we just get away cheaply.

What percentage of the time do you think you are being called? What is their calling range if you just pile the turn first to act? They are forced into calling kinda tight because you HAVE to have something pretty damn strong.

Admittedly, once you check the turn and player 1 bets 50k he looks really strong, but you didn't know that until you checked. What do you think their peeling ranges are on the flop and which hands will they continue with?

Maybe I'm wrong and that player 3 has it here? It's really quite awkward stacks all round but still I just find it hard to believe that either of them always have a set and it kind of feels like it's the only hand they can call a jam with on the turn. If they have a set 50% of the time it's a profitable jam. (I was wrong in my first post, you need them to fold 50% of the time if you jam and are drawing dead as you are betting the pot).

mate fuck holy hell

Hello Sam,

Don't mind the open, depends on game flow. Personally I c/f flop, i think its an awful board for us to be cbetting 4 way. As played i'm betting like 42k (bet folding) on the turn, even though I think someone is likely to be pretty strong at this stage but we now have a combo draw and I don't expect anyone really to jam over our bet. We can build the pot for when we hit rivers and check fold when we miss - maybe jam A rivers too. Jamming turn is awful imo, i don't know what were expecting original flatter to fold to us?

Not a fan of the cbet either, think its pretty optimistic and as pads says you're almost certainly having to get the barrels out which is gunna be pretty awkward vs most of the stacks here. Agree with pez that open jamming the turn is bad imo. If your original peeler is a little spewy I can't see him talking himself into tight folds vs a turn jam. Same for the flop overcaller really, just don't think that enough of either of their calling ranges is folding enough to make jamming profitable.

Once you make the cbet though I think c/call turn and c/fold unimproved is best

Thanks lads, very helpful.

I really don't like this hand Sammy.

Preflop (I won't dwell because of your caveat) I think that you've chosen a pretty bad type of hand to open early position as it just doesn't flop that well oop vs peelers ranges and I think we get peeled a decent amount.

Post, I think your cbet sizing is too small. We want to dissuade people from making floats with hands that we have reverse implied against (KQ/KJ) and hands that play well against us that won't allow us to realise our equity (JT/QJ) and of course, put as much pressure on small pairs as possible.
If we bet 1/3 pot here he'll probably call one with 66/88 where as if we bet more like 1/2 or even 60% then it puts the first peeler in a right coffin and looks a hell of a lot stronger.

Betting bigger on the flop also means that we can clearly jam spade turns which gives our flop bluff some backup.

As played, i think we can still pile the turn, we have decent enough equity if we get heroed by JJ/TT from the first peeler but I think he can be much wider than that because of your flop sizing. Even with JJ/TT he should be hating it if you pile with a player behind too, so again you are putting both players in a  coffin as your range looks really strong jamming 3 way on this relatively blank turn.

Really /thread?

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