Final two tables of Big 162 - Combo draw

[The Squid]

Following hand is final two tables of Big 162. First flatter is a reg - have rather unhelpful note 'Can go baliss' and colour coded with my 'absurd bad' tag. Button flatter is a good reg. Big blind is a weak player.

Understand open is very lag and very optional. Most interested in the streets.

www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/5387851_3A2EA0D677

[lucky_scrote]

I like to jam turn. You have to assume that the first peeler can have some rofl hands if he is a bit of a rofler. Not impossible for them to have a set but at least with jamming you are repping an over pair pretty well. You're still almost guaranteed 25% equity if you get called so if you manage to make them fold more than roughly 25% of the time you will show a profit.

[theprawnidentity]

Pre I might go for if the tables letting me having it my own way.

Think the c.bet is standard given the flop, that we can still rep a strong hand and and improve OTT.

The turn is the interesting bit.  Not sure if I prefer continuing or check calling.  Probably just continue (60k) because it shows rediculous strength into 2 players and taking it down now is still a great result for us, by checking I think we win the pot less.

[lucky_scrote]

Pre I might go for if the tables letting me having it my own way.

Think the c.bet is standard given the flop, that we can still rep a strong hand and and improve OTT.

The turn is the interesting bit.  Not sure if I prefer continuing or check calling.  Probably just continue (60k) because it shows rediculous strength into 2 players and taking it down now is still a great result for us, by checking I think we win the pot less.

Yeah, betting the turn is the same as going all-in though. Maybe it looks stronger though? I dunno.

[theprawnidentity]

Yeah, betting the turn is the same as going all-in though. Maybe it looks stronger though? I dunno.

Yeh I think it looks stronger.

[The Squid]

Dan - What hands is villain bet folding? Third player in hand makes his betting range so much stronger. Is eighteen players left too early to be factoring in ICM and the importance of not busting?

 

[The Squid]

Pre I might go for if the tables letting me having it my own way.

Think the c.bet is standard given the flop, that we can still rep a strong hand and and improve OTT.

The turn is the interesting bit.  Not sure if I prefer continuing or check calling.  Probably just continue (60k) because it shows rediculous strength into 2 players and taking it down now is still a great result for us, by checking I think we win the pot less.

So you want to bet and call?

[theprawnidentity]

So you want to bet and call?

Yeh, will be getting a great price with a boat load of outs.

The other thing as well, if we're going to open K6ss here, we should probably be maxing our aggression especially when we hit the board pretty much as hard as we could have hoped for.

[Doobs]

Pre I might go for if the tables letting me having it my own way.

Think the c.bet is standard given the flop, that we can still rep a strong hand and and improve OTT.

The turn is the interesting bit.  Not sure if I prefer continuing or check calling.  Probably just continue (60k) because it shows rediculous strength into 2 players and taking it down now is still a great result for us, by checking I think we win the pot less.

So you want to bet and call?

Think what you did on the turn must be better, bet calling seems likely to be bad, though guess your draw could be better than his sometimes.   It all feels ok, albeit expensive.  

Any thoughts on soft fields for chippyman's thread on the rail? You must have been gutted to get moved off our table where you had direct position on the two biggest fish.

[lucky_scrote]

Dan - What hands is villain bet folding? Third player in hand makes his betting range so much stronger. Is eighteen players left too early to be factoring in ICM and the importance of not busting?

 

I meant jamming not check jamming.

[Whollyflush]

i think c/betting here is pretty poor and very optimistic looking at positions and stacks. That said i actually think the turn is interesting, and i personally would check/rip with these sizes, any deeper and i think its potentially a great 3 barrel spot.

[pleno1]

i think if we bet this flop we have to go for 3 streets but because its so multi way spr is never going to be good enough to allow us to do so meaning that betting the flop will probably be a big leak as we will be c-folding the turn a lot and they have a bunch of hands that will call one but fold to a second barrel.

As played i dont know if we have good enough equity to go ahead and check call as he will potentially check back on a bunch of rivers when we improve.

[lucky_scrote]

Open pile the turn! Going to be fine, as line is divine.

[The Squid]

What's HollyH3ll range for over calling? I assume that he had JT with a backdoor, but if we jam dont we run into a set a huge amount of the time.

[The Squid]

The reason hand has stayed with me is because in the past i would have thought almost any type of passive line was a big mistake, but we're getting great odds on turn and if it gone bet/shove we just get away cheaply.