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Spending a fair whack on chiropractor at the moment. He's advised me not sit for long periods.

Bit of a bugger, when some work is office based...and then there's driving to/from poker, sitting at poker tables...or sitting at the computer playing online!

So I wanna get myself a nice ergo chair - without spending a fortune. In fact I'm a tight arse and don't wanna spend > £100.

Any suggestions?

Set yourself up with a standing desk.

Sounds like you're planning to sit even more.

Not sure you'll be able to get a decent ergonomic chair for under £100, so Andrew's standing desk setup might be the most practical solution.

Out of interest, what is the chiropractor doing? You say you're spending a fair whack on it.   

I'm totally convinced that major bits of your skeletal structure being 'out of line' and paid 'professionals' putting them back into place for a fee is absolute bollocks.

IMO of course.
 

I'm with the Dog on this one.  Would like to see 'evidence' to the contrary.  It always amazes me that chiropractic 'fixes' always seem to involve a course of repeated treatments as well.  Imagine if you took your car to be serviced, and they said you had to pay to have something done to it every fortnight to 'realign' it...

You can't compare a car to the human body though. Two completely different things. Other than that, it's a great example.

You can compare yours to this one.



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Haha, I want a car like that.

All I know is that whenever I have gone to chiropractors with back problems they have fixed it and relieved the pain.  One set of adjustments will give relief but the body does require several manipulations to adjust.

Just speaking from experience here..............

I have chronic joint pain - massage relieves the pain; put it doesn't fix anything so whether you get any relief is not necessarily a reliable guide to whether any good is being done.

I think that at best chiropractors (and osteopaths) do what a good physiotherapist would do - except they're less qualified and as a result in some cases do it in a way that causes other problems or damage.

Not sure saying chiropractors are less qualified than a physiotherapist is correct.  To qualify as a chiropractor you have to take a 4 or 5 year undergraduate course.  The courses cover subjects such as anatomy, biomechanics, pathology, physiology, orthopaedics and diagnosis, as well as practical training in adjustment and supervised clinical training.

Chiropractic is a complementary and alternative medicine

Chiropractic was founded in 1895 by magnetic healer D.D. Palmer in Davenport.

Controversy is due to chiropractic's use of terminology that is not always amenable to scientific investigation
Wikipedia.

Chiropractors spend years studying woo:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-end-of-chiropractic/

I had to start going to the chiro regularly as of about 4-5 months ago. I was going every week for a while because from where I'd been sitting for such long hours and shamefully hunching I'd been getting all sorts of problems including an aggravated shoulder injury.

I'd had physio in the past but the problem kept coming back. This chap I went to see was physio and chiro and he was spot on. My posture has improved and with the help of a few stretches a day my back feels amazing again!

As for chairs, I've got an Herman Miller Aeron chair, it cost me £850 but I had lots of money back then and thought it was worth the investment given how much I'm sat at the computer. They are definitely excellent, if you aren't going to be a tight arse you can find 2nd hand ones for around £250 as some offices are kitted out with them and if they go bust then they go for cheap.

If you're talking about chiropractic, good luck trying to get into a scientific debate.

As a matter of interest, have any of you who have posted negatively about a chiropractor ever been to one?

Well no, but then I haven't been to a faith healer or a witch doctor either.

Must admit, I never thought about asking you about a faith healer or witch doctor, can anyone on here recommend a good one to RED-DOG?

Sorry I can't help you with this but I only have positive experiences from visits to the chiropractor as have other people I know who have been.

See the thing is, I have no time for faith healers, witch doctors, chiropractors or anyone else who wants to charge me a fee for treatment that has so scientific evidence to support it and is not considered to be worthy of NHS funding.

That being said, good luck to them and all the many thousands of people who believe they are worth the money.

Tom, Chiropractors are really good but I'm not sure if it should take them 5 years of studying to become one. I guess most of them are qualified physiotherapists too (as my chiro is).

I had spent quite a bit at physio over time, I'm not an unhealthy person by any means but I have had a shoulder problem for over 5 years. The physio would always sort it out for me in 1 or 2 sessions but I realised they were focusing on the problem and not the cause. They'd give me a massage/ultrasound/acupuncture and all would be well after an hour (sometimes 2 sessions) but the problem would return in a few months.

The chiropractor focused on the cause rather than the just where the pain was and instead of any kind of quick fix it took 5-6 sessions every week before I realised that the injury I had was slowly beginning to eradicate for good. I could feel the joint/muscle have a lot more strength and maneuverability.

I'm going to guess you don't believe in acupuncture either? I thought it was rubbish until I tried it.

I've just finished a course of acupuncture for a problem with my piriformis muscle. I had to have the treatment as it was part of an ongoing NHS programme, but for all the good it did I might as well have stuck the needles up my arse.



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What did the chiropractor actually do to fix you?

Regression to the mean, observer bias, placebo effect,  etc.

The whole point of scientific evidence is that you don't need to have had a medical treatment yourself to see evidence of its efficacy. There are people who claim that homeopathic remedies have cured their cancers or other ailments and diseases. No scientific data to support their ridiculous claims.

Same goes for chiropractic, acupuncture, faith healing, ear candles, astrology, etc.


Anyway, Lee my point earlier was not to get into this debate (as there's no point rearly if people are going to say that it helped them or a friend, etc., and show zero scientific evidence to support their argument). My point was if you're after an ergonomic chair to help address your back as a long term solution, why limit yourself to £100? Instead, save some of the money you're spending on the chiropractor and put that towards the chair. 

What did this miraculous acupuncture do? Did it cure a disease or ailment untreatable by "medicine" (I'm not calling it Western medicine as in Japan, China, Korea, etc., they use it too!)? 

The placebo effect is interesting - scientifically only lower back pain has been shown to be something that acupuncture can help with (not "how" it works, but there is a reasonable amount of evidence to suggest that it actually does work) - but for a lot of things without a particularly serious cause then if something is fixed by the placebo effect then it doesn't really matter that it wasn't actually helped by what people think fixed it.

I've discovered that I have this amazing ability to help people with bad backs.

A course of treatment usually consists of 8 weekly sessions costing approximately £100 per visit.

Treatments can include manipulation. This can be painful, but most people say they feel better as soon as it's over.

Treatments include advice on not doing things that give you a bad back.

After 8 weeks of not doing things that hurt their back, the majority of my patients say they feel a lot better.

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I have had a really bad back for years now, the initial injury is what lead to my rapid weight gain. Any way the route of my problems is apparently because my hamstrings are too tight which in turn pulls my back out of line. I have been doing a twice daily stretching routine and I can honestly say my back has never been as bad!!! I am having to watch TV laying on the floor, struggling to do the simplest of tasks and walking around like a 150 year old. Hoping this is one of those 'it gets worse before it gets better jobs'. :(

Who advised you to do this stretching routine?

A couple of different physios. Back in the day I would have weekly sessions where I would have massages / acupuncture or they would separate my muscle tissue and do all sorts of weird and wonderful things all to no avail really. They gave me a booklet at the time which I used to do but since then I have lost the booklet so I picked a routine from youtube which most closely resembled the sort of things I was doing. One thing they said is that hold it until it feels uncomfortable but it feels uncomfortable instantly so I just go through the pain.

This is the one I have been doing.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29RJaiZ2TSo

I can't actually put my leg straight or even 45 degrees tbh so what I have to do is shuffle up to a door frame and put my leg vertical like that but it abs wrecks. I also lay on my back and get the missus to lift up my leg and try and lean over me.

This does not sound like it is working or doing you any good at all.  If you know anybody who can recommend a chiropractor/osteopath you should go and see them.  I am giving you this advice based on personal and positive experiences.

Cheers marcro. One thing they were sure of is that my pain is muscle related, note bone or nerve.

I imagine if I lost weight the pain would reduce as well.  ;whistle;

A fair amount of physical therapy does hurt and is expected to hurt but it doesn't matter as it's doing you longer term good; the problem with the 'differently qualified' such as osteopaths and chiropractors is that some of the things they do that hurt can cause damage or at the very least not work.

Do you know anybody who has been damaged by a chiropractor?  I know plenty of people who have been damaged by NHS approved doctors.

Agree with this

I had a major lower back problem which was made worse by being advised and then given the wrong treatment through the Nhs.

Never ever believed in acupuncture but gave it a go, was not very expensive at all and the problem was a lot better within 4 sessions (overall cost about £100)

Do i believe in it? I dont no really but something helped and for that im grateful

It's pretty laughable to base anything on individual experience (i.e. a sample size of 1) or even a handful of anecdotes - particularly concerning to make the suggestion that it might be better to use alternative medicine rather than qualified physicians.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2012/apr/27/chiropractic-manipulation-spine-strokes  - I know that's not 'proof' but there is a growing body of evidence for it, certainly significantly more than basing it on - people I know

but what if that one person had heard it from a girl he was chatting to down the pub and it happened to her uncle, and she was really fit?????

i do mean really fit!!!!!!