Ergo-chair Suggestions

[kinboshi]

If you're talking about chiropractic, good luck trying to get into a scientific debate.

[marcro]

As a matter of interest, have any of you who have posted negatively about a chiropractor ever been to one?

[RED-DOG]

Well no, but then I haven't been to a faith healer or a witch doctor either.

[marcro]

Well no, but then I haven't been to a faith healer or a witch doctor either.

Must admit, I never thought about asking you about a faith healer or witch doctor, can anyone on here recommend a good one to RED-DOG?

Sorry I can't help you with this but I only have positive experiences from visits to the chiropractor as have other people I know who have been.

[RED-DOG]

Well no, but then I haven't been to a faith healer or a witch doctor either.

Must admit, I never thought about asking you about a faith healer or witch doctor, can anyone on here recommend a good one to RED-DOG?

Sorry I can't help you with this but I only have positive experiences from visits to the chiropractor as have other people I know who have been.

See the thing is, I have no time for faith healers, witch doctors, chiropractors or anyone else who wants to charge me a fee for treatment that has so scientific evidence to support it and is not considered to be worthy of NHS funding.

That being said, good luck to them and all the many thousands of people who believe they are worth the money.

[lucky_scrote]

Tom, Chiropractors are really good but I'm not sure if it should take them 5 years of studying to become one. I guess most of them are qualified physiotherapists too (as my chiro is).

I had spent quite a bit at physio over time, I'm not an unhealthy person by any means but I have had a shoulder problem for over 5 years. The physio would always sort it out for me in 1 or 2 sessions but I realised they were focusing on the problem and not the cause. They'd give me a massage/ultrasound/acupuncture and all would be well after an hour (sometimes 2 sessions) but the problem would return in a few months.

The chiropractor focused on the cause rather than the just where the pain was and instead of any kind of quick fix it took 5-6 sessions every week before I realised that the injury I had was slowly beginning to eradicate for good. I could feel the joint/muscle have a lot more strength and maneuverability.

I'm going to guess you don't believe in acupuncture either? I thought it was rubbish until I tried it.

[RED-DOG]

Tom, Chiropractors are really good but I'm not sure if it should take them 5 years of studying to become one. I guess most of them are qualified physiotherapists too (as my chiro is).

I had spent quite a bit at physio over time, I'm not an unhealthy person by any means but I have had a shoulder problem for over 5 years. The physio would always sort it out for me in 1 or 2 sessions but I realised they were focusing on the problem and not the cause. They'd give me a massage/ultrasound/acupuncture and all would be well after an hour (sometimes 2 sessions) but the problem would return in a few months.

The chiropractor focused on the cause rather than the just where the pain was and instead of any kind of quick fix it took 5-6 sessions every week before I realised that the injury I had was slowly beginning to eradicate for good. I could feel the joint/muscle have a lot more strength and maneuverability.

I'm going to guess you don't believe in acupuncture either? I thought it was rubbish until I tried it.

I've just finished a course of acupuncture for a problem with my piriformis muscle. I had to have the treatment as it was part of an ongoing NHS programme, but for all the good it did I might as well have stuck the needles up my arse.

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What did the chiropractor actually do to fix you?

[kinboshi]

Regression to the mean, observer bias, placebo effect,  etc.

The whole point of scientific evidence is that you don't need to have had a medical treatment yourself to see evidence of its efficacy. There are people who claim that homeopathic remedies have cured their cancers or other ailments and diseases. No scientific data to support their ridiculous claims.

Same goes for chiropractic, acupuncture, faith healing, ear candles, astrology, etc.


Anyway, Lee my point earlier was not to get into this debate (as there's no point rearly if people are going to say that it helped them or a friend, etc., and show zero scientific evidence to support their argument). My point was if you're after an ergonomic chair to help address your back as a long term solution, why limit yourself to £100? Instead, save some of the money you're spending on the chiropractor and put that towards the chair. 

[kinboshi]

Funnily enough had acupuncture from physio today on my knee. Yes I'm a proper knacker. Just glad I'm not a horse.

Had the acupuncture before and it was brilliant. Opened my mind up to a lot more than just western medicine.

What did this miraculous acupuncture do? Did it cure a disease or ailment untreatable by "medicine" (I'm not calling it Western medicine as in Japan, China, Korea, etc., they use it too!)? 

[Jon MW]

The placebo effect is interesting - scientifically only lower back pain has been shown to be something that acupuncture can help with (not "how" it works, but there is a reasonable amount of evidence to suggest that it actually does work) - but for a lot of things without a particularly serious cause then if something is fixed by the placebo effect then it doesn't really matter that it wasn't actually helped by what people think fixed it.

[RED-DOG]

I've discovered that I have this amazing ability to help people with bad backs.

A course of treatment usually consists of 8 weekly sessions costing approximately £100 per visit.

Treatments can include manipulation. This can be painful, but most people say they feel better as soon as it's over.

Treatments include advice on not doing things that give you a bad back.

After 8 weeks of not doing things that hurt their back, the majority of my patients say they feel a lot better.

Please form an orderly queue and have your credit cards ready.





 

[millidonk]

I have had a really bad back for years now, the initial injury is what lead to my rapid weight gain. Any way the route of my problems is apparently because my hamstrings are too tight which in turn pulls my back out of line. I have been doing a twice daily stretching routine and I can honestly say my back has never been as bad!!! I am having to watch TV laying on the floor, struggling to do the simplest of tasks and walking around like a 150 year old. Hoping this is one of those 'it gets worse before it gets better jobs'.

[marcro]

I have had a really bad back for years now, the initial injury is what lead to my rapid weight gain. Any way the route of my problems is apparently because my hamstrings are too tight which in turn pulls my back out of line. I have been doing a twice daily stretching routine and I can honestly say my back has never been as bad!!! I am having to watch TV laying on the floor, struggling to do the simplest of tasks and walking around like a 150 year old. Hoping this is one of those 'it gets worse before it gets better jobs'.

Who advised you to do this stretching routine?

[millidonk]

I have had a really bad back for years now, the initial injury is what lead to my rapid weight gain. Any way the route of my problems is apparently because my hamstrings are too tight which in turn pulls my back out of line. I have been doing a twice daily stretching routine and I can honestly say my back has never been as bad!!! I am having to watch TV laying on the floor, struggling to do the simplest of tasks and walking around like a 150 year old. Hoping this is one of those 'it gets worse before it gets better jobs'.

Who advised you to do this stretching routine?

A couple of different physios. Back in the day I would have weekly sessions where I would have massages / acupuncture or they would separate my muscle tissue and do all sorts of weird and wonderful things all to no avail really. They gave me a booklet at the time which I used to do but since then I have lost the booklet so I picked a routine from youtube which most closely resembled the sort of things I was doing. One thing they said is that hold it until it feels uncomfortable but it feels uncomfortable instantly so I just go through the pain.

This is the one I have been doing.



I can't actually put my leg straight or even 45 degrees tbh so what I have to do is shuffle up to a door frame and put my leg vertical like that but it abs wrecks. I also lay on my back and get the missus to lift up my leg and try and lean over me.

[marcro]

I have had a really bad back for years now, the initial injury is what lead to my rapid weight gain. Any way the route of my problems is apparently because my hamstrings are too tight which in turn pulls my back out of line. I have been doing a twice daily stretching routine and I can honestly say my back has never been as bad!!! I am having to watch TV laying on the floor, struggling to do the simplest of tasks and walking around like a 150 year old. Hoping this is one of those 'it gets worse before it gets better jobs'.

Who advised you to do this stretching routine?

A couple of different physios. Back in the day I would have weekly sessions where I would have massages / acupuncture or they would separate my muscle tissue and do all sorts of weird and wonderful things all to no avail really. They gave me a booklet at the time which I used to do but since then I have lost the booklet so I picked a routine from youtube which most closely resembled the sort of things I was doing. One thing they said is that hold it until it feels uncomfortable but it feels uncomfortable instantly so I just go through the pain.

This is the one I have been doing.



I can't actually put my leg straight or even 45 degrees tbh so what I have to do is shuffle up to a door frame and put my leg vertical like that but it abs wrecks. I also lay on my back and get the missus to lift up my leg and try and lean over me.

This does not sound like it is working or doing you any good at all.  If you know anybody who can recommend a chiropractor/osteopath you should go and see them.  I am giving you this advice based on personal and positive experiences.