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Title: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: youthnkzR on March 03, 2014, 03:14:48 AM 15 Left. $68k Ftw. Average 870k
PokerStars Hand #112681043790: Tournament #870518481, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XL (10000/20000) - 2014/03/03 2:51:14 WET [2014/03/02 21:51:14 ET] Table '870518481 267' 9-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: GaggleoKings (1501152 in chips) Seat 2: schmette (556775 in chips) Seat 3: Suba778 (640621 in chips) Seat 4: junkie111 (478952 in chips) Seat 5: ZeelandBoy (583925 in chips) Seat 6: jvieiradias8 (213333 in chips) Seat 7: jkcfc (1289555 in chips) Seat 9: and217 (911555 in chips) GaggleoKings: posts the ante 2500 schmette: posts the ante 2500 Suba778: posts the ante 2500 junkie111: posts the ante 2500 ZeelandBoy: posts the ante 2500 jvieiradias8: posts the ante 2500 jkcfc: posts the ante 2500 and217: posts the ante 2500 Suba778: posts small blind 10000 junkie111: posts big blind 20000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to GaggleoKings [7c 7h] ZeelandBoy: folds jvieiradias8: folds jkcfc: folds and217: raises 20000 to 40000 GaggleoKings: raises 43559 to 83559 schmette: folds Suba778: folds junkie111: folds and217: raises 825496 to 909055 and is all-in GaggleoKings: ??? Guys running 23/20/7.4 3b over considerable sample. I've been 3bing him tons and showed him lots of funky cards to create this dynamic. Really big pile (45.5bbs). Standard fold and move on? Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: Oxford_HRV on March 03, 2014, 03:32:22 AM dont think he gii any wider than 99+
im happy going with JJ+ Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: NigDawG on March 03, 2014, 04:55:30 AM snapping this clown nh
Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: pleno1 on March 03, 2014, 06:35:09 AM yeah loving life with 77 here, folding 55 tho.
Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: Junior Senior on March 03, 2014, 07:54:47 PM The good players itt are saying call. I would fold.
Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: titaniumbean on March 03, 2014, 08:31:37 PM The good players itt are saying call. I would fold. you likely wouldn't 3bet though amirite? Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: rfgqqabc on March 03, 2014, 09:03:41 PM What does his range look like for us to be calling here so deep? Lots of PP/A2-5 I guess. Seems like a huge punt from him.
Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: Pinchop73 on March 03, 2014, 09:17:29 PM think an awful lot of his jamming range off that stack is AKo
Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: pleno1 on March 03, 2014, 09:24:51 PM He should never have TT+ he shouldn't have ak ever either. Pretty concerned about 88-99 but that should be it
Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: Junior Senior on March 03, 2014, 10:21:03 PM The good players itt are saying call. I would fold. you likely wouldn't 3bet though amirite? I might.i know what you are saying so maybe it is a snap given the history and dynamic of players involved. Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: titaniumbean on March 03, 2014, 10:25:20 PM The good players itt are saying call. I would fold. you likely wouldn't 3bet though amirite? I might.i know what you are saying so maybe it is a snap given the history and dynamic of players involved. yeh not being rude or owt, just pointing out the differences. Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: Junior Senior on March 03, 2014, 10:58:03 PM The good players itt are saying call. I would fold. you likely wouldn't 3bet though amirite? I might.i know what you are saying so maybe it is a snap given the history and dynamic of players involved. yeh not being rude or owt, just pointing out the differences. I know bud. Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: mulhuzz on March 03, 2014, 11:18:29 PM think my chips beat his into pot and gl sir.
Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: lolwutwasthat on March 04, 2014, 02:11:51 AM If im 3b'n im calling. Although it might depend on who is left in the field and how much chips they have.
Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: Steve Swift on March 04, 2014, 07:58:24 AM snapping this clown nh Chris, as you saying because of the villain's big shove or because of the notes hero has on him and therefore the history? I was an insta fold but obviously I am wrong? Steve Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: youthnkzR on March 04, 2014, 02:02:08 PM If im 3b'n im calling. Although it might depend on who is left in the field and how much chips they have. In hindsight the 3b is pretty awful from me (it should go to the streets) but agree this ^ should be the case! We were 2/15 at the time. There was only one other reg left. I think 'in a vaccum' if we 3b we should call, however in this specific situation should this be an edge pass? (This was the question I meant to ask at the time but was still in game) - i.e. should we preserve a 75bb stack / pass what should be a decent edge equity wise due to ICM / having what should be a significant 'skill / experience' edge over the field? ^ This is what I meant to ask in OP! Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: lucky_scrote on March 04, 2014, 02:30:01 PM Definitely definitely calling. Bit like when a reg jams 16bb UTG they often have 55-99 and always induce AK AA etc
Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: NigDawG on March 04, 2014, 03:02:28 PM snapping this clown nh Chris, as you saying because of the villain's big shove or because of the notes hero has on him and therefore the history? I was an insta fold but obviously I am wrong? Steve i have played with villain a lot myself and can confirm the guy is a very spewy reg and not one to back down in preflop wars. this guy is 4bet inducing with almost everything that dominates us. he will sometimes rip hands like KQ/QJ which unfortunately have a lot of equity but the overlay on the pot is now quite substantial. there are a couple other positives here like we are left with 30bb even if we lose this pot now, the power we can wield with a monster stack, the psychological edge we might hold over the others once they see us make a big 3b call here. if you are uncomfortable calling the shove then i think the original 3 bet is pretty bad, especially vs this opponent. Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: lucky_scrote on March 04, 2014, 03:07:36 PM snapping this clown nh Chris, as you saying because of the villain's big shove or because of the notes hero has on him and therefore the history? I was an insta fold but obviously I am wrong? Steve i have played with villain a lot myself and can confirm the guy is a very spewy reg and not one to back down in preflop wars. this guy is 4bet inducing with almost everything that dominates us. he will sometimes rip hands like KQ/QJ which unfortunately have a lot of equity but the overlay on the pot is now quite substantial. there are a couple other positives here like we are left with 30bb even if we lose this pot now, the power we can wield with a monster stack, the psychological edge we might hold over the others once they see us make a big 3b call here. if you are uncomfortable calling the shove then i think the original 3 bet is pretty bad, especially vs this opponent. You prefer 3betting here over peeling? Our peeling range is pretty narrow so maybe it's better to mostly 3bet/fold in this spot. Title: Re: Very deep bigger 109. Post by: NigDawG on March 04, 2014, 03:12:53 PM snapping this clown nh Chris, as you saying because of the villain's big shove or because of the notes hero has on him and therefore the history? I was an insta fold but obviously I am wrong? Steve i have played with villain a lot myself and can confirm the guy is a very spewy reg and not one to back down in preflop wars. this guy is 4bet inducing with almost everything that dominates us. he will sometimes rip hands like KQ/QJ which unfortunately have a lot of equity but the overlay on the pot is now quite substantial. there are a couple other positives here like we are left with 30bb even if we lose this pot now, the power we can wield with a monster stack, the psychological edge we might hold over the others once they see us make a big 3b call here. if you are uncomfortable calling the shove then i think the original 3 bet is pretty bad, especially vs this opponent. You prefer 3betting here over peeling? Our peeling range is pretty narrow so maybe it's better to mostly 3bet/fold in this spot. vs less aggro players sure. picked a really bad reg to 3bet/fold to here tho imo |