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Title: Hypothetical preflop spot from the SB
Post by: muckthenuts on May 04, 2014, 02:35:49 PM
A rec in the CO open limps.
BB is either a rec or a nit.

Thoughts on:

1) What our raising range should look like from the SB
2) Completing range

Cheers

Say 100bb eff


Title: Re: Hypothetical preflop spot from the SB
Post by: rfgqqabc on May 04, 2014, 04:49:11 PM
1) big broadways/ hands that flop top pair enough
2) 83s or better.


Title: Re: Hypothetical preflop spot from the SB
Post by: Flash92 on May 04, 2014, 07:42:18 PM
1) big broadways/ hands that flop top pair enough
2) 83s or better.

Are we really completing 83s?


Title: Re: Hypothetical preflop spot from the SB
Post by: Rexas on May 05, 2014, 03:23:17 AM
1) big broadways/ hands that flop top pair enough
2) 83s or better.

Are we really completing 83s?

That's pretty tight according to Tom Dwan. Fwiw, I do similar stuff to picken here. Any two cards above a 9 are good for a raise, any thing suited and connected below that are good for completing. It seems im a little tighter than adam in my completing range though! Also probably raising 88+, flatting 77-.


Title: Re: Hypothetical preflop spot from the SB
Post by: SuuPRlim on May 05, 2014, 10:22:29 AM
I'd raise every pair.

I'd complete just about everything  with the exception of utter junk 72o 82o etc and I'd raise all suited connectors. K8, Q8, JT etc and anything broadway/broadway, prolly every Ax too although I miiigggghhhht consider just completing the worse ones for the old "never has an ace he didn't raise" trickery if you are lucky enough to flop one :-p

This is FR live poker yeh?


Title: Re: Hypothetical preflop spot from the SB
Post by: cambridgealex on May 05, 2014, 10:38:12 AM
I'd raise every pair.

I'd complete just about everything  with the exception of utter junk 72o 82o etc and I'd raise all suited connectors. K8, Q8, JT etc and anything broadway/broadway, prolly every Ax too although I miiigggghhhht consider just completing the worse ones for the old "never has an ace he didn't raise" trickery if you are lucky enough to flop one :-p

This is FR live poker yeh?


This for me too.


Title: Re: Hypothetical preflop spot from the SB
Post by: pleno1 on May 05, 2014, 03:33:55 PM
Adams range looks good.

I'd never raise bad ax here or small pairs, I can see how small pairs could potentially be good though. Build a pot I guess.

Would be far more inclined to raise 95s than a4o though.


Title: Re: Hypothetical preflop spot from the SB
Post by: SuuPRlim on May 06, 2014, 01:30:22 PM
is this FR live poker?


Title: Re: Hypothetical preflop spot from the SB
Post by: theprawnidentity on May 06, 2014, 01:38:04 PM
1) big broadways/ hands that flop top pair enough
2) 83s or better.

Are we really completing 83s?

Only were going for a triple range merge down the streets.


Title: Re: Hypothetical preflop spot from the SB
Post by: muckthenuts on May 06, 2014, 11:09:09 PM
is this FR live poker?

Didn't have a particular format in mind but would you change your ranges based on one or the other?


Title: Re: Hypothetical preflop spot from the SB
Post by: rfgqqabc on May 07, 2014, 11:12:06 PM
a lot depends on rake structure for live ranges too.


Title: Re: Hypothetical preflop spot from the SB
Post by: SuuPRlim on May 08, 2014, 12:53:57 AM
is this FR live poker?

Didn't have a particular format in mind but would you change your ranges based on one or the other?

Yes massively, when I made posts ITT I was working on the assumption it was 8/9handed live NLHE. Changes massively if its online 6max, for me anyways.


Title: Re: Hypothetical preflop spot from the SB
Post by: muckthenuts on May 08, 2014, 02:27:21 AM
a lot depends on rake structure for live ranges too.


is this FR live poker?

Didn't have a particular format in mind but would you change your ranges based on one or the other?

Yes massively, when I made posts ITT I was working on the assumption it was 8/9handed live NLHE. Changes massively if its online 6max, for me anyways.

Could you elaborate on this? It seemed like I could face this exact same spot across all formats so figured ranges would be the same, but i could be missing something. Be interested to know why there is a difference and how you'd adjust.  


Title: Re: Hypothetical preflop spot from the SB
Post by: rfgqqabc on May 08, 2014, 02:58:33 AM
Live people are deeper and have weaker ranges whereas online people tend to be a bit more clued up. Lower the stakes the more significant rake is so tighten up there, also some live games have a larger than usual cap meaning you should also tighten up.


Title: Re: Hypothetical preflop spot from the SB
Post by: SuuPRlim on May 08, 2014, 10:25:09 AM
Well I defo wouldn't raise 33 in an online game, but defo would in a live game, generally speaking, like Adam said, in love games stacks tend to be deeper and often slightly weaker stnd of play so can expect postflop to be easier - speshly when you have the advantage of being able to see everyone. You might see the BB playing with his chips, or look like he's n waiting to go t the bathroom etc and change you're mind that way.

Online I think you should be a fair bit tighter with what you're opening - would still complete a fair old chunk though