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If YOU were the TD, what would you do, & why?



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Had to laugh at this "threat"......


if anyone doesn't corroborate my story I'll never tweet again how's that

How can we say? we don't really know what he did.

If he did what he's accused of I would disco him without hesitation.

Don't think I have ever seen anyone rip up cards after a bad beat.  Never mind the rest.  Just grow up Sir.

This kind of behaviour on the live and online tables is just so detrimental to the game for those of us who make a living.  If he acted as stated, the punishment seems fine.  Ban him for a month or two too.  Would be good to see Poker sites enforcing chat bans for bad behaviour too.

I once beat Con 'The Dazzling Cornelius' Chronin in a pot, from in front I might add, and he tried to rip the cards up but he couldn't do it. They must have been madeof Kevlar. 

There was a brilliant staking thread years ago, I think on twoplustwo.

Guy sold a lot of action for a tournament and then after came on and wrote standard stuff like, thought I played well, couldn't find any good spots, ended up losing a flip etc...

A few days later someone one his table found the thread and posted the guy who sold action showed up completely drunk, played totally erratically and badly and then in the end after a bad beat, ate his own cards. Pretty sure he didn't get kicked out of the tournament for this though. Really want to find that old thread now!

Another one, also in the US was one of the first tournies I played at Commerce in LA many years ago. Just after the bubble broke one of the chipleaders got a ruling against him, it was fairly inconsequential. In response he told the floorwoman to f*** off and hoped her and her family died in a fire. He was ejected for this one and cost himself thousands in equity.

If you do something like this then you really can't moan, as you are giving someone the opportunity to kick you out of the tournament.

What an idiot.

Linked from that article on the same site:

"Tatjana Pasalic shows you how she stays healthy and in shape during the stressful, action packed time of the World Series of Poker. Leer at Tattytats as she visually shames you into getting into better shape.

Then go hit the gym before you hit the felt".

What kind of smut do you read, tikay? 

::)

Story appears to be 'Woman goes to gym'.

As to the question, wouldn't it be lovely if you went to play poker somewhere where people accepted variance, understood it's a game of cards and remembered that you can't win a comp on day one? You know, where you aren't going to get someone tell you they hope you die of cancer or berate the dealer for turning a card over they didn't like the colour of.
 
Your man here will probably only be able to sell at 1.25 now, as his investors will need to factor in the potential stack forfeiture.

He's the guy who beat his poker playing GF up a few years back. Amanda something.

Phew, at least I'm not banned from dtd ;)

Con 'The Dazzling Cornelius' Chronin told me a story how he once shipped a tournament for a large sum of money (£20k iirc) then lost it all on roulette.

To make sure nobody else could ever suffer the same fate following losing his last pennies he ate the ball!!

With regard to the OP I think the punishment is absolutely fine.

I don't think the tantrum or threats are really necessary to elevate this to a DQ.

Just the deliberate destruction of casino property (the cards) should be enough for a life ban.

Obviously unsociable behaviour needs to be addressed by the operator because it's detrimental to the business. That said I don't think disqualification is the right solution for a couple of reasons.

First, the guy has bought a product and it's unreasonable for the seller to take it back along with his money. If a guy is acting the clown on roulette do you ban him from the casino and tell him to leave his stacks on the table? Or is he allowed to take his money with him? So disco the poker dude if you must but refund the entrance fee and dole out a lengthy ban. Second thing, disco is so open to abuse by some irritable heavy-handed TD who gets his knickers in a twist.

Con 'The Dazzling Cornelius' Chronin told me that on his first trip to vegas he took $20k in cash. When he arrived at the hotel the receptionist told him that his room would be ready in 20mins. He had a wander around the casino floor for 10mins and then returned to reception completely skint and without any credit cards.

If you are damaging tournament facilities however cheap the product is then of course they should be banned.

I am sure it would have stood with throwing the table over, so it should stand on ripping up cards.

Hate this kind of behaviour though, just like you see players throwing cards in aggressively when folding or mucking their cards.

Far from just you doing this, but how any of us know whether it was the right call in this particular case is beyond me. We can only really debate the general principle, which I appreciate you've done afterwards...


This is completely different, though, because the transaction has been completed: he exchanged money for his entry to the comp. What he has in front of him is tournament chips, which have no cash value.

If I were playing cash and acted inappropriately, I would be asked to leave and would not have to leave my money behind; I'd get it cashed and encouraged to find somewhere else to limp-call it off

If you thumped someone in a nightclub, you would be hard-pressed to convince the bouncers you should be allowed back to the dance floor to finish your liqueur.

Doesn't it just come back to 'Don't act like a donut or someone might treat you like one'?

The law says licensed premises should refuse alcohol for drunk/disorderly patrons so bouncers refusing your drink back is their legal responsibility. I figure if you punch somebody then immediate ejection is perfectly fine. The law is more consistent than a casino making up their house rules when it suits. If poker man dropped big money in the casino every friday night there would be no disco.

So we agree it is the casino's choice

i think if you decide to crumple cards up because you took a beat and then berate the floor etc you can't be surprised if you get ejected.

would i have ejected him? depends how much he was ranting/if i warned him first etc but maybe not. regardless, the fact that he seems to be blaming others for direct consequences of his own actions makes me think the disco is probably fair.

So, are they going to DQ everyone that acts like a dick at the poker table?

Obviously the card ripping/crumpling thing is out of order, but is it really that much worse than berating a dealer or standing over the table screaming for a card when you are all in with AK v JJ?

Not worse than A but worse than B.

absolutely right .i  am guilty of standing over a table after three or four  too many pints and calling for a card that i would like to see. yeah in the cold light of day i obviously regret doing so due to looking like silly.not the end of the world.

if i ever berated a dealer ,  which simply wouldnt happen, i would be too ashamed too go back there to play cards again.

as for eating my hole cards that would depend where i was playing and what was on the menu.

at dtd i guess it would be 50/50 or possibly 60/40 if the veg curry was all that was available.






disclaimer... never played or eaten cards at dtd, but willing to try on a 70/30 basis.

as long as pudding is included .

I'll have it in a bagel

yeah, people should always be held responsible for the direct consequences of their own actions (like throwing people off roofs) ;)

Not gonna bite but that's a fine effort ;)

Who the hell drinks liqueurs in a nightclub!?

I think the poker scene would be far friendlier and hospitable to recreational/new players if behaviour like this was consistently punished. If you're rude and abusive I absolutely believe you should be disqualified.

If you're unhappy about something, there are ways and means of highlighting your displeasure that don't require you to destroy property or abuse the floor staff. Do so and then you are at fault for the consequence.

I agree players that are deliberately disruptive should receive punishment.

To be fair, eating the cards at the g, is more tastier than most things on the menu.

Parsley.

What about the little old lady who is playing for the first time? She gets a little anxious so crumples the cards in her nervous sweaty hands. She takes a bad beat and mutters a few golden era expletives under her breath. Are we marching the granny out the card room?

When you introduce a rule which you enforce only when certain emotions are involved then good luck with consistency. He crumpled his cards because he was so excited to win that big pot. No ban. He crumpled his cards because he was so nervous. No ban. He crumpled his cards because he was agitated. Ban.

Casinos will need to provide a colour chart of emotions like Dulux do for paint. Then the TD can simply match the offence to the chart to discover if the displayed emotion makes a ban warranted.

What a beige post.


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Lines are not always clear and floormen are always expected to act in the spirit of a rule rather than the letter; if the granny were threatening the staff, then they might consider ejecting her, but a threat from a granny carries considerably less weight than that of an angry young man. Every situation is nuanced and it's completely correct to apply a rule in one situation but not in another.

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Yea I agree wazz, every situation is nuanced and rules that apply to one person often don't apply to another. For example some people can ask for a currency swap no bother and some people get a load of grief.