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Title: bare with me guys
Post by: bolt pp on January 26, 2006, 04:42:41 PM
the topic of my grammar and spelling has become a rather contentious issue since i joined the forum.(yesterday!!). Allow me to clarify a few things if i may.Firstly i am an ardent proponent of correct and proper grammar(much to your suprise).i 'm a long time punter and am just becoming accustumed to the confuigeration of a keyboard.I find it a laborious, interminable undertaking when i write something of significant lengh, thus i take a few short cuts!!!I have developed a propensity to type phoneticaly as i've usually foggoten what i was talking about by the time i've found the correct key.
It is for an amalgamation of these reasons that i type thus.hope you'll bare with me.
If you notice that my grammar is discernably worse at night its cos ive ad a few thanks guys!!!!


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: lazaroonie on January 26, 2006, 04:47:37 PM
To be honest I dont know why you feel the need to use such flowery words in your posts
or indeed why you dont try to use the correct spellings.
Surely a better introduction to the world of blonde would be to post
something of interest from a poker perspective, or
even something remotely humourous.
Really, that would be much better


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: TightEnd on January 26, 2006, 05:06:41 PM
My thoughts on why I would prefer to see correct grammar from those such as mystery721 who have the ability to do so but, self confessedly, prefer not to write correctly out of laziness are contained in this article I wrote for part of my post-graduate doctorate:

I hope you all agree.



English spelling is guaranteed to confuse even those of us who have spoken the language all our lives. Sometimes, when we find our mother tongue difficult to understand, we say "it sounds like double Dutch."

A Dutch school teacher and author, Dr. Gerard Nolst Trenité (1870-1946), returned the compliment when he wrote a long poem, De Chaos, first published in Amsterdam as an appendix to the fourth edition of his schoolbook Drop Your Foreign Accent, engelsche uitspraakoefeningen (Haarlem: H D Tjeenk Willink & Zoon, 1920).

In an article entitled The Classic Concordance of Cacographic Chaos, published by the Simplified Spelling Society in 1994, Chris Upward, of Birmingham, England, a vice-president of the Society, wrote: "The Chaos represents a virtuoso feat of composition, a mammoth catalogue of about 800 of the most notorious irregularities of traditional English orthography, skilfully versified (if with a few awkward lines) into couplets with alternating feminine and masculine rhymes."

Upward's scholarly review, and a complete version of The Chaos, are displayed on the Spelling Society website. Here are the opening lines:


Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation,
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse.
I will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy;
Tear in eye, your dress you'll tear;
Queer, fair seer, hear my prayer.
Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!
Just compare heart, hear and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word.


A poem frequently quoted on the Internet is The English Lesson. Strangely, no-one seems to know the name of the genius who composed it. Here it is:


The English Lesson
We'll begin with box, and the plural is boxes,
But the plural of ox should be oxen, not oxes.
Then one fowl is goose, but two are called geese,
Yet the plural of moose should never be meese.
You may find a lone mouse or a whole lot of mice,
But the plural of house is houses, not hice.
If the plural of man is always called men,
Why shouldn't the plural of pan be pen?
The cow in the plural may be cows or kine,
But the plural of vow is vows, not vine.
And I speak of a foot, and you show me your feet,
But I give a boot... would a pair be beet?
If one is a tooth, and a whole set is teeth,
Why shouldn't the plural of booth be beeth?
If the singular is this, and the plural is these,
Why shouldn't the plural of kiss be kese?
Then one may be that, and three be those,
Yet the plural of hat would never be hose.
We speak of a brother, and also of brethren,
But though we say mother, we never say methren.
The masculine pronouns are he, his and him,
But imagine the feminine she, shis, and shim.
So our English, I think you will agree,
Is the trickiest language you ever did see.

I take it you already know
of tough, and bough and cough and dough?
Others may stumble, but not you
on hiccough, through, slough and though.
Well done! And now you wish, perhaps
To learn of less familiar traps?
Beware of heard, a dreadful word
That looks like beard and sounds like bird.
And dead; it's said like bed, not bead!
For goodness sake, don't call it deed!
Watch out for meat and great and threat,
(They rhyme with suite and straight and debt)
A moth is not a moth in mother,
Nor both in bother, broth in brother.
And here is not a match for there,
Nor dear and fear for bear and pear,
And then there's dose and rose and lose –
Just look them up &ndash and goose and choose,
And cork and work and card and ward
And font and front and word and sword.
And do and go, then thwart and cart.
Come, come, I've hardly made a start.
A dreadful language: Why, man alive,
I'd learned to talk when I was five.
And yet to write it, the more I tried,
I hadn't learned it at fifty-five.

[An alternative version quotes the final couplet as:
And yet to write it, the more I sigh,
I'll not learn how 'til the day I die.]


One of the many websites displaying The English Lesson on the Internet comments "Our queer language: so you think French is hard?" Another lists it under the heading "Hints on Pronunciation for Foreigners." A Danish site shows the headline "A dreadful language? English. Engelsk sprogforbistring."

On a St. Louis, Missouri  website, Gary V Deutschmann has revised the final couplet to read "So the ENGLISH, I Think, You All Will AGREE/Is The Most WONDERFUL LANGUAGE You Ever Did SEE." And on an Ohio page it appears as "Let's be more tolerant of he and she/ And of all of those who have diffi-cul-tee!"

Summing up, the puzzle of English pronunciation is admirably described in this final couplet of the first stanza of The English Lesson:


So our English, I think you will agree
Is the trickiest language you ever did see.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: mystery721 on January 26, 2006, 05:19:17 PM
tightend that was one of the most interesting things i have ever read.  And for that i fully intend to use capital letters and punctuation where necessary. thnk you for ur post, it has inspired me to write correctly.  Although there may be one or two slip ups, which u dont need to point out at every occasssion.  Well done on a fantastic post, and to the baron the second group stage was taken away to give inferior teams a chance of making the final (porto and liverpool)  which they would never in a million years would of done if there were still 2 group stages.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: bundle on January 26, 2006, 05:19:24 PM
My thoughts on why I would prefer to see correct grammar from those such as mystery721 who have the ability to do so but, self confessedly, prefer not to write correctly out of laziness are contained in this article I wrote for part of my post-graduate doctorate:

I hope you all agree.



English spelling is guaranteed to confuse even those of us who have spoken the language all our lives. Sometimes, when we find our mother tongue difficult to understand, we say "it sounds like double Dutch."

A Dutch school teacher and author, Dr. Gerard Nolst Trenité (1870-1946), returned the compliment when he wrote a long poem, De Chaos, first published in Amsterdam as an appendix to the fourth edition of his schoolbook Drop Your Foreign Accent, engelsche uitspraakoefeningen (Haarlem: H D Tjeenk Willink & Zoon, 1920).

In an article entitled The Classic Concordance of Cacographic Chaos, published by the Simplified Spelling Society in 1994, Chris Upward, of Birmingham, England, a vice-president of the Society, wrote: "The Chaos represents a virtuoso feat of composition, a mammoth catalogue of about 800 of the most notorious irregularities of traditional English orthography, skilfully versified (if with a few awkward lines) into couplets with alternating feminine and masculine rhymes."

Upward's scholarly review, and a complete version of The Chaos, are displayed on the Spelling Society website. Here are the opening lines:


Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation,
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse.
I will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy;
Tear in eye, your dress you'll tear;
Queer, fair seer, hear my prayer.
Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!
Just compare heart, hear and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word.


A poem frequently quoted on the Internet is The English Lesson. Strangely, no-one seems to know the name of the genius who composed it. Here it is:


The English Lesson
We'll begin with box, and the plural is boxes,
But the plural of ox should be oxen, not oxes.
Then one fowl is goose, but two are called geese,
Yet the plural of moose should never be meese.
You may find a lone mouse or a whole lot of mice,
But the plural of house is houses, not hice.
If the plural of man is always called men,
Why shouldn't the plural of pan be pen?
The cow in the plural may be cows or kine,
But the plural of vow is vows, not vine.
And I speak of a foot, and you show me your feet,
But I give a boot... would a pair be beet?
If one is a tooth, and a whole set is teeth,
Why shouldn't the plural of booth be beeth?
If the singular is this, and the plural is these,
Why shouldn't the plural of kiss be kese?
Then one may be that, and three be those,
Yet the plural of hat would never be hose.
We speak of a brother, and also of brethren,
But though we say mother, we never say methren.
The masculine pronouns are he, his and him,
But imagine the feminine she, shis, and shim.
So our English, I think you will agree,
Is the trickiest language you ever did see.

I take it you already know
of tough, and bough and cough and dough?
Others may stumble, but not you
on hiccough, through, slough and though.
Well done! And now you wish, perhaps
To learn of less familiar traps?
Beware of heard, a dreadful word
That looks like beard and sounds like bird.
And dead; it's said like bed, not bead!
For goodness sake, don't call it deed!
Watch out for meat and great and threat,
(They rhyme with suite and straight and debt)
A moth is not a moth in mother,
Nor both in bother, broth in brother.
And here is not a match for there,
Nor dear and fear for bear and pear,
And then there's dose and rose and lose –
Just look them up &ndash and goose and choose,
And cork and work and card and ward
And font and front and word and sword.
And do and go, then thwart and cart.
Come, come, I've hardly made a start.
A dreadful language: Why, man alive,
I'd learned to talk when I was five.
And yet to write it, the more I tried,
I hadn't learned it at fifty-five.

[An alternative version quotes the final couplet as:
And yet to write it, the more I sigh,
I'll not learn how 'til the day I die.]


One of the many websites displaying The English Lesson on the Internet comments "Our queer language: so you think French is hard?" Another lists it under the heading "Hints on Pronunciation for Foreigners." A Danish site shows the headline "A dreadful language? English. Engelsk sprogforbistring."

On a St. Louis, Missouri  website, Gary V Deutschmann has revised the final couplet to read "So the ENGLISH, I Think, You All Will AGREE/Is The Most WONDERFUL LANGUAGE You Ever Did SEE." And on an Ohio page it appears as "Let's be more tolerant of he and she/ And of all of those who have diffi-cul-tee!"

Summing up, the puzzle of English pronunciation is admirably described in this final couplet of the first stanza of The English Lesson:


So our English, I think you will agree
Is the trickiest language you ever did see.



Yep wot he said


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: TightEnd on January 26, 2006, 05:22:05 PM
.  Although there may be one or two slip ups, which u dont need to point out at every occasssion.  


we have a deal sir

It is a character flaw of mine to enjoy the English language and all it's eccentricities. This though stops at text speak.



Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: mystery721 on January 26, 2006, 05:28:23 PM
i will use full punctuation, but i am still going to write "u" instead of "you" and "coz" instead of "because".  And anyone who doesnt like this needs to wake up and realize it is 2006 not 1826!  or maybe ur just all too old to understand us young guns.  just having a laugh, dont turn it into another lets attack mystery thread.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: TightEnd on January 26, 2006, 05:31:50 PM
I am 31. Tikay is 38. Heid is 63 though, and she seems more on your wavelength than we do.

You can never tell huh?

one last request...capital letters to begin sentences pls?


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: The Baron on January 26, 2006, 05:32:23 PM
Well done on a fantastic post, and to the baron the second group stage was taken away to give inferior teams a chance of making the final (porto and liverpool)  which they would never in a million years would of done if there were still 2 group stages.

It's quite hard to wind up a European champion about football isn't it?  :D

Yes that is correct - LIVERPOOL ARE EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS! (For the 5th time no less! - More than any other British club!)

Did I mention that already? :D


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Heid on January 26, 2006, 05:36:34 PM
62, you cheeky young thing.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: mystery721 on January 26, 2006, 05:37:08 PM
can u......sorry you believe that Neville got charged? That was a joke. Tightend have i written a post 100% perfectly yet? I think this one is. Please tell me i am right.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Dewi_cool on January 26, 2006, 05:38:47 PM
i am right, should be capital I  lol


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: bundle on January 26, 2006, 05:39:58 PM
It’s is only a matter of time before the English language is destroyed. The younger generation are growing up with text and instant messengers.

I have an 18 year old son that will leave me notes on paper. “ wot time r u gonna meet yer  m8”

 This drives me mad, it’s not that I don’t understand it, it’s just very lazy.



Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: The Baron on January 26, 2006, 05:40:20 PM
can u......sorry you believe that Neville got charged? That was a joke. Tightend have i written a post 100% perfectly yet? I think this one is. Please tell me i am right.

Yeah but it's inciting the fans. Bit harsh but it was pretty stupid.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: dan on January 26, 2006, 05:41:01 PM
Why has the forum suddenly become an O level english exam. i noticed this a couple of days ago when people were having a pop at mystery and now it has occured again with bolt. to be honest i havent really read bolts posts because i read the forum to have a laugh and not to go through lines and lines of drivel( sorry mate but its hard work reading some of your posts).

I actually havent read all of mystery's posts either because i found some of his posts when he 1st joined slightly arrogant.

Anyway i dont see why all of a sudden spelling mistakes and capital letters are really worth making a point of.


P.S sorry for any mistakes in this post. :D :-*


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: TightEnd on January 26, 2006, 05:42:21 PM
can u......sorry you believe that Neville got charged? That was a joke. Tightend have i written a post 100% perfectly yet? I think this one is. Please tell me i am right.

Almost Perfect.

Please begin you post with a capital C on can.

Furthermore i think the correct phrase would be "Neville was charged". Not got charged.

I am right, not i am right

Finally your last sentence should conclude with a ?

7/10

good effort!


 ;scarymoment;


dan, it's GCSE not O level, showing your age mate


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: thetank on January 26, 2006, 05:46:20 PM
Personally, I don't mind spelling and grammatical mistakes.

I only dislike large chunks of text without breaks as they are harder to read.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: dan on January 26, 2006, 05:47:09 PM
I am 31. Tikay is 38. Heid is 63 though, and she seems more on your wavelength than we do.

You can never tell huh?

one last request...capital letters to begin sentences pls?

Surely one should be One tighty.


dan, it's GCSE not O level, showing your age mate

lol, that was for you older ones(tighty  ;D) as im only 26 i did GCSE's


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: mystery721 on January 26, 2006, 05:47:47 PM
I love you Dan, thnx for the support. Anyway if u havent posted your accumulator votes get on it, only a couple hours left, the odds are going to be tasty, even if u dont want to bet on it, leave ur votes for others, and tightend i will 10/10, just not this time tho.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: TightEnd on January 26, 2006, 05:51:48 PM
I love you Dan, thnx for the support. Anyway if u havent posted your accumulator votes get on it, only a couple hours left, the odds are going to be tasty, even if u dont want to bet on it, leave ur votes for others, and tightend i will 10/10, just not this time tho.

 :)up


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Ironside on January 26, 2006, 06:01:14 PM
if i got to use proper grammer then by bye


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: mystery721 on January 26, 2006, 06:09:12 PM
Congratulations to me. Two in a row, I am just showing off now.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: TightEnd on January 26, 2006, 06:10:11 PM
grtm8 its wonderful 2 c wd


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: mystery721 on January 26, 2006, 06:13:44 PM
Hate to point out faults but it should be gr8 m8, not grtm8. Stick to wot you know best, proper english. lol :D


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: TightEnd on January 26, 2006, 06:21:25 PM
 :D

owned.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Ironside on January 26, 2006, 07:26:45 PM
this thread has been serverly edited by myself after imforming A mod i was going to do it

certain things were said that shouldnt have been said and in hindsight were thought better removed to keep the thread  "blonde"

please remember this is an open public forum we all have differering views and lets try expressing them in a way without  flaming attacking or abusing another member

and lets keep things lighthearted


btw bolt welcome to blonde


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: ifm on January 26, 2006, 07:34:07 PM
hmmmmm, i'm gonna bite my tongue for now but i will say i am not amused.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Robert HM on January 26, 2006, 07:41:31 PM
Neither am I


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Sark79 on January 26, 2006, 07:53:35 PM
I am guilty of using bad grammer and writing in huge chunks. I can do it properly if I have to. But being honest, I am just a lazy git. Sorry, I will pay more attention in future.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: mystery721 on January 26, 2006, 07:55:50 PM
dont be sorry m8, ur posts are still easily read, theres just one or two nit picking just to make a fuss, so they are centre of attention. write however u want to write. its not an english exam


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: bolt pp on January 26, 2006, 08:04:58 PM
this thread has been serverly edited by myself with the knowledge of the mods

certain things were said that shouldnt have been said and in hindsight were thought better removed to keep the thread  "blonde"

please remember this is an open public forum we all have differering views and lets try expressing them in a way without  flaming attacking or abusing another member

and lets keep things lighthearted


btw bolt welcome to blonde
I'ts all got a bit emotional has it? Lol, sorry for instigating such an emotive topic!!!! You have a diverse arry of members and I've enjoyed, thus far, all the conversation into which i've entered.With reference to my initial post the main point was suppossed to be about my exasperation in being unable to challenge the perpetrators of the increasingly common offensive language found online not the insults themselfs.I'm fairley accommplished at taking a pop now and then so just to let you know i was'nt atall offended by any subsequent posts and was happy to of generated such a response. glad i'ts all been left good and look forward to chatting with you all in the future. cheers boss!!


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Heid on January 26, 2006, 08:31:00 PM
Hiyas all :)

Well I appear to be the wicked witch of Tulse Hill at the moment don't I?

Gosh.

There's a few points I want to make, so get a can of tennants/coke/sprite/cup of coffee etc.

1. Text style writing can be very difficult for people to understand. lots of people don't find it at all easy to read. We are not on a mobile phone.

2. If you are compelled (not made) to write in standard english then you will think about your postings and their content more. It's easy to write something in the heat of the moment, more dificult to post when you are thinking about what you are doing.

3. I have seen forums descend into chaos by allowing people to use text style writing. It looks horrible and belies the intelligence of the posting members on this forum.

4. We aren't on mobile phones.

5. Dyslexics can find text style writing impossible to decipher. my sister was dyslexic, and my mother is.

6. I wouldn't delete anyone's postings for using bad english - I would for deliberately and blatantly disrupting the forum by trolling and using spelling to inflame members. As much as someone typing in 72 pt comic sans can be very annoying to some, intentional bad spelling and disruption by that method is annoying to others.

If I offended anyone, then I apologise. I am a moderator of moderators, by profession in work, and by choice, a moderator on here. It's not my job to make decision that everyone will like.

I am sure I will return to being fluffy and lovely soon enough.

Bolt understand what I am saying. Mystery is more than welcome to pm me if he needs clarification.

I am objective, and am open to comments.

Heid
xx


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: mikkyT on January 26, 2006, 08:38:19 PM
And for that i fully intend to use capital letters and punctuation where necessary.

You missed a capital "I" :D


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Trace on January 26, 2006, 08:43:30 PM
There is no emotion; There is peace
There is no ignorace; There is knowledge
There is no passion; There is serenity
There is no bubble; There is the final table.


Spot the ooopsa-daisy????   lol


Heid don't kill me pleeeeeeeeeeeeeaseeeeeeeeeeee, I noticed it weeks ago, but bit my tongue, till now.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: byronkincaid on January 26, 2006, 08:47:14 PM
Quote
Spot the ooopsa-daisy?

Nah but that's cos I'm ignorat


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Heid on January 26, 2006, 08:51:36 PM
There is no emotion; There is peace
There is no ignorace; There is knowledge
There is no passion; There is serenity
There is no bubble; There is the final table.


Spot the ooopsa-daisy????   lol


Heid don't kill me pleeeeeeeeeeeeeaseeeeeeeeeeee, I noticed it weeks ago, but bit my tongue, till now.

LOL<g> I'll fix it :)


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: TightEnd on January 26, 2006, 08:53:05 PM
are you sure the use of the semi colon is correct in your sig line whilst you are changing it?


just wondered.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: mikkyT on January 26, 2006, 08:53:13 PM
The problem I have with some of the posts lately, is not the spelling. I can understand reams and reams of txt spk, l33t spk, and what ever form of "speak" you care to imagine.

But, the real problem is the sheer lack of punctuation, grammar and most importantly, PARAGRAPHS! It is hard, almost impossible, to deciper what a writer is saying if he does not make use of these basic premises of the English language. It is sheer lazyness not to use them, and shows a distinct lack of thought on the part of the writer. If you cannot be bothered to think about your posts, why should someone be bothered to read them? It is a give and take world, and a happy medium is a friendly medium.

Also, punctuation, such as commas and full-stops are most useful, more than you can care to realise. The written word is an emotionless medium. It is a medium devoid of any indication of how to speak (and therefore read) that particular sentence. Commas tell you when you pause, they indicate breaks between one statement and the next, they help to distinguish items in a list. Full stops and paragraphs are similarly necessary.

Nobody is trying to lecture anybody here, or make themselves out to be more intelligent. It is merely an effort to inform lazy (and I say lazy in a nice way) writers how difficult it is for their thoughts to be understood.

Here is a block of text without punctuation, see how hard it is to read. Spelling mistakes and txt spk only serve to make it even harder to read in a block of text like this:

The problem I have with some of the posts lately is not the spelling I can understand reams and reams of txt spk l33t spk and what ever form of speak you care to imagine but the real problem is the sheer lack of punctuation grammar and most importantly PARAGRAPHS it is hard almost impossible to deciper what a writer is saying if he does not make use of these basic premises of the english language it is sheer lazyness not to use them and shows a distinct lack of thought on the part of the writer if you cannot be bothered to think about your posts why should someone be bothered to read them it is a give and take world and a happy medium is a friendly medium also punctuation such as commas and fullstops are most useful more than you can care to realise the written word is an emotionless medium it is a medium devoid of any indication of how to speak and therefore read that particular sentence commas tell you when you pause they indicate breaks between one statement and the next they help to distinguish items in a list full stops and paragraphs are similarly necessary nobody is trying to lecture anybody here or make themselves out to be more intelligent it is merely an effort to inform lazy and I say lazy in a nice way writers how difficult it is for their thoughts to be understood


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: bolt pp on January 26, 2006, 08:54:34 PM
Hiyas all :)

Well I appear to be the wicked witch of Tulse Hill at the moment don't I?

Gosh.

There's a few points I want to make, so get a can of tennants/coke/sprite/cup of coffee etc.

1. Text style writing can be very difficult for people to understand. lots of people don't find it at all easy to read. We are not on a mobile phone.

2. If you are compelled (not made) to write in standard english then you will think about your postings and their content more. It's easy to write something in the heat of the moment, more dificult to post when you are thinking about what you are doing.

3. I have seen forums descend into chaos by allowing people to use text style writing. It looks horrible and belies the intelligence of the posting members on this forum.

4. We aren't on mobile phones.

5. Dyslexics can find text style writing impossible to decipher. my sister was dyslexic, and my mother is.

6. I wouldn't delete anyone's postings for using bad english - I would for deliberately and blatantly disrupting the forum by trolling and using spelling to inflame members. As much as someone typing in 72 pt comic sans can be very annoying to some, intentional bad spelling and disruption by that method is annoying to others.

If I offended anyone, then I apologise. I am a moderator of moderators, by profession in work, and by choice, a moderator on here. It's not my job to make decision that everyone will like.

I am sure I will return to being fluffy and lovely soon enough.

Bolt understand what I am saying. Mystery is more than welcome to pm me if he needs clarification.

I am objective, and am open to comments.

Heid
xx
Great post Heid, hope were friends again? Read it with a Specialbrew! My friends usually get to our bench around now so i'll see you later!


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: TightEnd on January 26, 2006, 08:55:55 PM
MikkyT, never thought I would say this, but I love you.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Heid on January 26, 2006, 08:57:13 PM
We were always friends Bolt...you have a great brain, and I am interested in what you have to say :)

I do like a clever man :)


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Heid on January 26, 2006, 08:57:27 PM
I like semi colons.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: bolt pp on January 26, 2006, 08:58:03 PM
The problem I have with some of the posts lately, is not the spelling. I can understand reams and reams of txt spk, l33t spk, and what ever form of "speak" you care to imagine.

But, the real problem is the sheer lack of punctuation, grammar and most importantly, PARAGRAPHS! It is hard, almost impossible, to deciper what a writer is saying if he does not make use of these basic premises of the English language. It is sheer lazyness not to use them, and shows a distinct lack of thought on the part of the writer. If you cannot be bothered to think about your posts, why should someone be bothered to read them? It is a give and take world, and a happy medium is a friendly medium.

Also, punctuation, such as commas and full-stops are most useful, more than you can care to realise. The written word is an emotionless medium. It is a medium devoid of any indication of how to speak (and therefore read) that particular sentence. Commas tell you when you pause, they indicate breaks between one statement and the next, they help to distinguish items in a list. Full stops and paragraphs are similarly necessary.

Nobody is trying to lecture anybody here, or make themselves out to be more intelligent. It is merely an effort to inform lazy (and I say lazy in a nice way) writers how difficult it is for their thoughts to be understood.

Here is a block of text without punctuation, see how hard it is to read. Spelling mistakes and txt spk only serve to make it even harder to read in a block of text like this:

The problem I have with some of the posts lately is not the spelling I can understand reams and reams of txt spk l33t spk and what ever form of speak you care to imagine but the real problem is the sheer lack of punctuation grammar and most importantly PARAGRAPHS it is hard almost impossible to deciper what a writer is saying if he does not make use of these basic premises of the english language it is sheer lazyness not to use them and shows a distinct lack of thought on the part of the writer if you cannot be bothered to think about your posts why should someone be bothered to read them it is a give and take world and a happy medium is a friendly medium also punctuation such as commas and fullstops are most useful more than you can care to realise the written word is an emotionless medium it is a medium devoid of any indication of how to speak and therefore read that particular sentence commas tell you when you pause they indicate breaks between one statement and the next they help to distinguish items in a list full stops and paragraphs are similarly necessary nobody is trying to lecture anybody here or make themselves out to be more intelligent it is merely an effort to inform lazy and I say lazy in a nice way writers how difficult it is for their thoughts to be understood
Oh you must be joking!!!!


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: mystery721 on January 26, 2006, 08:58:21 PM
i read it perfectly easy. it makes no difference to me whether theres any punctuation, but then again i can read just as fast upside down or if the letters of the word are mixed up1 it doesnt matter how its written i can still read it perfectly fine


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: dan on January 26, 2006, 09:00:31 PM
The problem I have with some of the posts lately, is not the spelling. I can understand reams and reams of txt spk, l33t spk, and what ever form of "speak" you care to imagine.

But, the real problem is the sheer lack of punctuation, grammar and most importantly, PARAGRAPHS! It is hard, almost impossible, to deciper what a writer is saying if he does not make use of these basic premises of the English language. It is sheer lazyness not to use them, and shows a distinct lack of thought on the part of the writer. If you cannot be bothered to think about your posts, why should someone be bothered to read them? It is a give and take world, and a happy medium is a friendly medium.

Also, punctuation, such as commas and full-stops are most useful, more than you can care to realise. The written word is an emotionless medium. It is a medium devoid of any indication of how to speak (and therefore read) that particular sentence. Commas tell you when you pause, they indicate breaks between one statement and the next, they help to distinguish items in a list. Full stops and paragraphs are similarly necessary.

Nobody is trying to lecture anybody here, or make themselves out to be more intelligent. It is merely an effort to inform lazy (and I say lazy in a nice way) writers how difficult it is for their thoughts to be understood.

Here is a block of text without punctuation, see how hard it is to read. Spelling mistakes and txt spk only serve to make it even harder to read in a block of text like this:

The problem I have with some of the posts lately is not the spelling I can understand reams and reams of txt spk l33t spk and what ever form of speak you care to imagine but the real problem is the sheer lack of punctuation grammar and most importantly PARAGRAPHS it is hard almost impossible to deciper what a writer is saying if he does not make use of these basic premises of the english language it is sheer lazyness not to use them and shows a distinct lack of thought on the part of the writer if you cannot be bothered to think about your posts why should someone be bothered to read them it is a give and take world and a happy medium is a friendly medium also punctuation such as commas and fullstops are most useful more than you can care to realise the written word is an emotionless medium it is a medium devoid of any indication of how to speak and therefore read that particular sentence commas tell you when you pause they indicate breaks between one statement and the next they help to distinguish items in a list full stops and paragraphs are similarly necessary nobody is trying to lecture anybody here or make themselves out to be more intelligent it is merely an effort to inform lazy and I say lazy in a nice way writers how difficult it is for their thoughts to be understood


and not a mention of EPT



Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 26, 2006, 09:01:47 PM
To be honest, if someone is capable of writing legible posts, but can't be bothered, then I don't see why I should be bothered to read them.

Their lack of effort is making me put more effort into translating the message. Therefore, I just skip it. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I consider this to be their choice though as free posters on the forum. If we don't want to read it, we don't have to.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Colchester Kev on January 26, 2006, 09:04:46 PM



and not a mention of EPT




 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Jim-D on January 26, 2006, 09:09:02 PM
I know i dont have to read these threads, but i am getting a little bored of these posts.

I mean come on do we not have better things to do?

Or could i suggest that the mods take it up with the offenders via PM

Sorry to be a stick in the mud


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: bolt pp on January 26, 2006, 09:09:12 PM
To be honest, if someoneis capable of writing ledgible posts, but can't be bothered, then I don't see why I should be bothered to read them.

Their lack of effort is making me put more effort into translating the message. Therefore, I just skip it. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I consider this to be their choice though as free posters on the forum. If we don't want to read it, we don't have to.
[/quoteWooooooohooooooo!!!! It's all gone political. Let me just to consult the ECHR1950 and the Human Rights Act1998.............Yes we have the power of choice. Dont look people as it could be an infringment of your civil liberties!!!! LOL


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 26, 2006, 09:15:14 PM
 ;karabiner;


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: bolt pp on January 26, 2006, 09:18:03 PM
;karabiner;
You've obviously seen me dance when i win a £1.20  10 seater


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Sark79 on January 26, 2006, 09:18:29 PM
Yea I see your point Snoopy. I think we will all try our hardest to pay more attention in future.

good example MikkyT.

sark


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 26, 2006, 09:20:25 PM
I didn't mean to preach or be abrupt. I certainly hope I didn't offend one.

I just thought I'd offer my opinion on the topic. Just my personal view in the end, nothing more.

 ;letsparty;


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: bolt pp on January 26, 2006, 09:25:15 PM
I didn't mean to preach or be abrupt. I certainly hope I didn't offend one.

I just thought I'd offer my opinion on the topic. Just my personal view in the end, nothing more.

 ;letsparty;
I'm loving it!!!! We're all having laugh and people are never more interesting than when they're telling people whats what!!!


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Heid on January 26, 2006, 09:28:40 PM
We are usually more controlled than this Bolt.

This is a happy, fun and friendly place.

Generally there is very little friction.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: bolt pp on January 26, 2006, 09:36:32 PM
We are usually more controlled than this Bolt.

This is a happy, fun and friendly place.

Generally there is very little friction.
I've encountered very little friction Hied just a diverse array of opinions, and it's all good!!!!!
I've found the site to be just how you've described it; fun and friendly and long may it continue


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 26, 2006, 09:39:40 PM
 ;iagree; :ironside: :dd:


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Gamblor21 on January 26, 2006, 09:50:01 PM
Come on everyone! Do we really need to fight about how people post???

It is all getting a bit daft at the moment!


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: matt674 on January 26, 2006, 09:55:01 PM
To be honest, if someone is capable of writing legible posts, but can't be bothered, then I don't see why I should be bothered to read them.

Their lack of effort is making me put more effort into translating the message. Therefore, I just skip it. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I consider this to be their choice though as free posters on the forum. If we don't want to read it, we don't have to.

So without knowing someone prior to them becoming a member of blonde - how would you tell the difference between someone who has good command of the english language and just can't be bother to spell correctly, use correct punctuation etc. etc. with someone who doesnt have good command of the English language and writes their posts badly not through choice but because they dont know any other way?

As i said in my first post that was deleted earlier i know someone who openly admits to not posting on the site as much as he would like because he isnt as good with words and doesnt want to appear "thick" compared to other posters on the site because his command of the english language isnt as good as the majority.

I wasn't trying to cause trouble with my earlier posts and am not trying to start up any kind of flame wars but if i ever said anything that was offensive to anyone then i would prefer if the post remained where it was and then people could see why i was apologizing and hopefully it would deter other people from making the same mistakes i had. I understand that the moderators have a difficult job to do keeping an eye on thousands and thousands of posts every day, i know it must be a very time consuming job and one that has very little reward which is why i dont envy their task however deleting all the posts and sweeping them under carpet as though they had never happened is not in my opinion the way forward.

I understand that it is the correct method in some cases - it threads that are blatent spam or if threats are made or the posts have deteriated into a full blown flame war but this forum is by far the best i have ever had the fortune to be a member of and whilst the viewing public will allow me i will continue to post here - i want it to continue running the same way that made it what it is today......

Thank you :)


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: bolt pp on January 26, 2006, 09:57:56 PM
Come on everyone! Do we really need to fight about how people post???

It is all getting a bit daft at the moment!
It's turned into a bit of a  Ad Ac Vs  2d 7c situation!!!!


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 26, 2006, 10:04:02 PM
Hi Matt.

Quote
So without knowing someone prior to them becoming a member of blonde - how would you tell the difference between someone who has good command of the english language and just can't be bother to spell correctly, use correct punctuation etc. etc. with someone who doesnt have good command of the English language and writes their posts badly not through choice but because they dont know any other way?

Only if they say so themselves. I wouldn't just make the assumption and then ignore their post.

Quote
As i said in my first post that was deleted earlier i know someone who openly admits to not posting on the site as much as he would like because he isnt as good with words and doesnt want to appear "thick" compared to other posters on the site because his command of the english language isnt as good as the majority.

I hope this guys posts. I wouldn't have a problem reading his posts and I certainly wouldn't consider him to be thick.




Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: matt674 on January 26, 2006, 10:19:51 PM


Quote
As i said in my first post that was deleted earlier i know someone who openly admits to not posting on the site as much as he would like because he isnt as good with words and doesnt want to appear "thick" compared to other posters on the site because his command of the english language isnt as good as the majority.

I hope this guys posts.


He does post on blonde but like i said not as much as he would like - i dont really want to say too much else because it isnt fair on the person who i'm talking about.

This last comment isnt aimed at anyone inparticular but just to everyone in general. I have always understood that the blonde forum would never discriminate against anyone regardless of the colour of their skin, their physical attributes or their educational background (or even if they are a smelly furry flea ridden primates). Whilst posts have been made tonight that may have been written slightly out of context i know that we are all still following the same prinicples that made blonde what it is today - long may it continue :)


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: mikkyT on January 26, 2006, 10:28:36 PM
Yea matt, I make the distiction here, because both mystery and bolt seem to have a good grasp of the subject medium and show the ability to express themselves through language I would consider to be above basic. Yet the way they write their posts means that only the patient readers are going to bother reading what they have to say.

And that is a great shame, because many of us actually want to read what they say!

As for posters who are perhaps not as linguistic as others... who gives a shit! Post away. We're a wide and varied bunch, and if one person takes a dislike to someone because of the way they post, then fk em! It is they who have the problem, not the poster. Now, that might sound a tad contradictory, but it is not. I can critizise peoples posting style without disliking the person.

I can argue about a subject with Scottish Dave, for example, yet still sit down for a beer and a friendly chat in Cincins. Some people get defensive and are a bit sensitive on blonde to certain things when no malice has been shown. I can understand why, this is their home as much as anyone elses and a percieved arguement simply rocks a boat that does not want or needs to be rocked.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Sark79 on January 26, 2006, 10:30:23 PM
Like I said in the Whale post recently. We are all good people who pocess different qualities. Some of us are good with words, some are natural joke tellers, some are always offering their help to others and others are just a good mix of people to have around.

I think we should just put this issue to bed now. We all have our ideas, right or wrong. But they are our ideas. Lets just all get on.

Concentrate on our shared love of cards. It crazy to argue over something so small.

sark..


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: bolt pp on January 26, 2006, 10:39:06 PM
Yea matt, I make the distiction here, because both mystery and bolt seem to have a good grasp of the subject medium and show the ability to express themselves through language I would consider to be above basic. Yet the way they write their posts means that only the patient readers are going to bother reading what they have to say.

And that is a great shame, because many of us actually want to read what they say!

As for posters who are perhaps not as linguistic as others... who gives a shit! Post away. We're a wide and varied bunch, and if one person takes a dislike to someone because of the way they post, then fk em! It is they who have the problem, not the poster. Now, that might sound a tad contradictory, but it is not. I can critizise peoples posting style without disliking the person.

I can argue about a subject with Scottish Dave, for example, yet still sit down for a beer and a friendly chat in Cincins. Some people get defensive and are a bit sensitive on blonde to certain things when no malice has been shown. I can understand why, this is their home as much as anyone elses and a percieved arguement simply rocks a boat that does not want or needs to be rocked.
Your first paragraph encapsulates the comments of my Year Eleven English Teacher, Do you know him?   Oh no!!    its all coming back to me............................."I dont want to go to School Mum,they take my lunch money".    Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Thanks Mikky years of therapy wasted!!!!!!


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Ironside on January 26, 2006, 10:41:09 PM
anyone who has a problem with spelling and grammer can always PM me and i will help if i can,































alternatively just post the post how you like (as i do) and if people dont like it and skip it then fine


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: mikkyT on January 26, 2006, 10:47:33 PM
Iron you dont have a problem with either. your spelling and grammar is like mine. But you do know how to use paragraphs. Everything else can be excused. But not using paragraphs is like leaving the toilet seat down.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: bolt pp on January 26, 2006, 10:50:49 PM
Iron you dont have a problem with either. your spelling and grammar is like mine. But you do know how to use paragraphs. Everything else can be excused. But not using paragraphs is like leaving the toilet seat down.
The toilet seats down in my gaff!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Karabiner on January 26, 2006, 11:33:55 PM
the topic of my grammar and spelling has become a rather contentious issue since i joined the forum.(yesterday!!). Allow me to clarify a few things if i may.Firstly i am an ardent proponent of correct and proper grammar(much to your suprise).i 'm a long time punter and am just becoming accustumed to the confuigeration of a keyboard.I find it a laborious, interminable undertaking when i write something of significant lengh, thus i take a few short cuts!!!I have developed a propensity to type phoneticaly as i've usually foggoten what i was talking about by the time i've found the correct key.
It is for an amalgamation of these reasons that i type thus.hope you'll bare with me.
If you notice that my grammar is discernably worse at night its cos ive ad a few thanks guys!!!!

If you wish to bare your whatever , feel free.

I for one will not be baring with you.  ::)



Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: ifm on January 27, 2006, 12:31:47 AM
Post however you like, the spelling, grammar, punctuation and structure are irrelevent, it's the tone that matters.

ANYONE who thinks otherwise is a fool.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: Poppet7 on January 27, 2006, 12:34:58 AM
 ;iagree;


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: mikkyT on January 27, 2006, 12:50:01 AM
You cannot convey tone without the use of gramatical correctness and the added use of emoticons, and punctutation which conveys emotion, such as the exclamation mark.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: The Baron on January 27, 2006, 01:25:21 AM
Hate to be a snob but if your post is difficult to read I'll just skip it, regardless of what it might say.:)


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: AndrewT on January 27, 2006, 10:49:15 AM
Obviously, no one expects every forum member to construct each post they make in such a way that the Pulitzer Prize committee spontaneously orgasm when they read it. However, posters should try and make an effort to ensure that it is as easy as possible for readers to understand what they are saying.

If you are not the hottest at spelling and grammar, that's no problem. It's rare that incorrect spelling or imperfectly constructed sentences fatally damage the content of a message. Simple things like paragraphs make posts more readable and are not reliant on being able to spell or punctuate correctly.

However, if you just can't be bothered putting effort into whether your message is readable or not then, quite frankly, there are hundreds of other forums you can join.

Some posters of late have appeared to not bother to read their own messages back to themselves before posting. If you can't even be bothered to read your own messages then I don't see why I should either.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: thetank on January 27, 2006, 10:57:46 AM
I think we're done now.


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: PointsUp on January 27, 2006, 12:53:39 PM
Not quite.

ifwearegoingtoleaveoutcommasfullstopsandparagraphsetcwhynotgothewholewayandforgetthegapsbetweenwordslol ;D


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: mikkyT on January 27, 2006, 01:03:20 PM
PointsUp, that was perfectly readable :) Just dont forget to use paragraphs!  ;goodvevil;


Title: Re: bare with me guys
Post by: PointsUp on January 27, 2006, 01:10:38 PM
hehe      ;iagree;    ;goodvevil;