bare with me guys

[bolt pp]

the topic of my grammar and spelling has become a rather contentious issue since i joined the forum.(yesterday!!). Allow me to clarify a few things if i may.Firstly i am an ardent proponent of correct and proper grammar(much to your suprise).i 'm a long time punter and am just becoming accustumed to the confuigeration of a keyboard.I find it a laborious, interminable undertaking when i write something of significant lengh, thus i take a few short cuts!!!I have developed a propensity to type phoneticaly as i've usually foggoten what i was talking about by the time i've found the correct key.
It is for an amalgamation of these reasons that i type thus.hope you'll bare with me.
If you notice that my grammar is discernably worse at night its cos ive ad a few thanks guys!!!!

[lazaroonie]

To be honest I dont know why you feel the need to use such flowery words in your posts
or indeed why you dont try to use the correct spellings.
Surely a better introduction to the world of blonde would be to post
something of interest from a poker perspective, or
even something remotely humourous.
Really, that would be much better

[TightEnd]

My thoughts on why I would prefer to see correct grammar from those such as mystery721 who have the ability to do so but, self confessedly, prefer not to write correctly out of laziness are contained in this article I wrote for part of my post-graduate doctorate:

I hope you all agree.



English spelling is guaranteed to confuse even those of us who have spoken the language all our lives. Sometimes, when we find our mother tongue difficult to understand, we say "it sounds like double Dutch."

A Dutch school teacher and author, Dr. Gerard Nolst Trenité (1870-1946), returned the compliment when he wrote a long poem, De Chaos, first published in Amsterdam as an appendix to the fourth edition of his schoolbook Drop Your Foreign Accent, engelsche uitspraakoefeningen (Haarlem: H D Tjeenk Willink & Zoon, 1920).

In an article entitled The Classic Concordance of Cacographic Chaos, published by the Simplified Spelling Society in 1994, Chris Upward, of Birmingham, England, a vice-president of the Society, wrote: "The Chaos represents a virtuoso feat of composition, a mammoth catalogue of about 800 of the most notorious irregularities of traditional English orthography, skilfully versified (if with a few awkward lines) into couplets with alternating feminine and masculine rhymes."

Upward's scholarly review, and a complete version of The Chaos, are displayed on the Spelling Society website. Here are the opening lines:


Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation,
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse.
I will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy;
Tear in eye, your dress you'll tear;
Queer, fair seer, hear my prayer.
Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!
Just compare heart, hear and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word.


A poem frequently quoted on the Internet is The English Lesson. Strangely, no-one seems to know the name of the genius who composed it. Here it is:


The English Lesson
We'll begin with box, and the plural is boxes,
But the plural of ox should be oxen, not oxes.
Then one fowl is goose, but two are called geese,
Yet the plural of moose should never be meese.
You may find a lone mouse or a whole lot of mice,
But the plural of house is houses, not hice.
If the plural of man is always called men,
Why shouldn't the plural of pan be pen?
The cow in the plural may be cows or kine,
But the plural of vow is vows, not vine.
And I speak of a foot, and you show me your feet,
But I give a boot... would a pair be beet?
If one is a tooth, and a whole set is teeth,
Why shouldn't the plural of booth be beeth?
If the singular is this, and the plural is these,
Why shouldn't the plural of kiss be kese?
Then one may be that, and three be those,
Yet the plural of hat would never be hose.
We speak of a brother, and also of brethren,
But though we say mother, we never say methren.
The masculine pronouns are he, his and him,
But imagine the feminine she, shis, and shim.
So our English, I think you will agree,
Is the trickiest language you ever did see.

I take it you already know
of tough, and bough and cough and dough?
Others may stumble, but not you
on hiccough, through, slough and though.
Well done! And now you wish, perhaps
To learn of less familiar traps?
Beware of heard, a dreadful word
That looks like beard and sounds like bird.
And dead; it's said like bed, not bead!
For goodness sake, don't call it deed!
Watch out for meat and great and threat,
(They rhyme with suite and straight and debt)
A moth is not a moth in mother,
Nor both in bother, broth in brother.
And here is not a match for there,
Nor dear and fear for bear and pear,
And then there's dose and rose and lose –
Just look them up &ndash and goose and choose,
And cork and work and card and ward
And font and front and word and sword.
And do and go, then thwart and cart.
Come, come, I've hardly made a start.
A dreadful language: Why, man alive,
I'd learned to talk when I was five.
And yet to write it, the more I tried,
I hadn't learned it at fifty-five.

[An alternative version quotes the final couplet as:
And yet to write it, the more I sigh,
I'll not learn how 'til the day I die.]


One of the many websites displaying The English Lesson on the Internet comments "Our queer language: so you think French is hard?" Another lists it under the heading "Hints on Pronunciation for Foreigners." A Danish site shows the headline "A dreadful language? English. Engelsk sprogforbistring."

On a St. Louis, Missouri  website, Gary V Deutschmann has revised the final couplet to read "So the ENGLISH, I Think, You All Will AGREE/Is The Most WONDERFUL LANGUAGE You Ever Did SEE." And on an Ohio page it appears as "Let's be more tolerant of he and she/ And of all of those who have diffi-cul-tee!"

Summing up, the puzzle of English pronunciation is admirably described in this final couplet of the first stanza of The English Lesson:


So our English, I think you will agree
Is the trickiest language you ever did see.

[mystery721]

tightend that was one of the most interesting things i have ever read.  And for that i fully intend to use capital letters and punctuation where necessary. thnk you for ur post, it has inspired me to write correctly.  Although there may be one or two slip ups, which u dont need to point out at every occasssion.  Well done on a fantastic post, and to the baron the second group stage was taken away to give inferior teams a chance of making the final (porto and liverpool)  which they would never in a million years would of done if there were still 2 group stages.

[bundle]

My thoughts on why I would prefer to see correct grammar from those such as mystery721 who have the ability to do so but, self confessedly, prefer not to write correctly out of laziness are contained in this article I wrote for part of my post-graduate doctorate:

I hope you all agree.



English spelling is guaranteed to confuse even those of us who have spoken the language all our lives. Sometimes, when we find our mother tongue difficult to understand, we say "it sounds like double Dutch."

A Dutch school teacher and author, Dr. Gerard Nolst Trenité (1870-1946), returned the compliment when he wrote a long poem, De Chaos, first published in Amsterdam as an appendix to the fourth edition of his schoolbook Drop Your Foreign Accent, engelsche uitspraakoefeningen (Haarlem: H D Tjeenk Willink & Zoon, 1920).

In an article entitled The Classic Concordance of Cacographic Chaos, published by the Simplified Spelling Society in 1994, Chris Upward, of Birmingham, England, a vice-president of the Society, wrote: "The Chaos represents a virtuoso feat of composition, a mammoth catalogue of about 800 of the most notorious irregularities of traditional English orthography, skilfully versified (if with a few awkward lines) into couplets with alternating feminine and masculine rhymes."

Upward's scholarly review, and a complete version of The Chaos, are displayed on the Spelling Society website. Here are the opening lines:


Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation,
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse.
I will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy;
Tear in eye, your dress you'll tear;
Queer, fair seer, hear my prayer.
Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!
Just compare heart, hear and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word.


A poem frequently quoted on the Internet is The English Lesson. Strangely, no-one seems to know the name of the genius who composed it. Here it is:


The English Lesson
We'll begin with box, and the plural is boxes,
But the plural of ox should be oxen, not oxes.
Then one fowl is goose, but two are called geese,
Yet the plural of moose should never be meese.
You may find a lone mouse or a whole lot of mice,
But the plural of house is houses, not hice.
If the plural of man is always called men,
Why shouldn't the plural of pan be pen?
The cow in the plural may be cows or kine,
But the plural of vow is vows, not vine.
And I speak of a foot, and you show me your feet,
But I give a boot... would a pair be beet?
If one is a tooth, and a whole set is teeth,
Why shouldn't the plural of booth be beeth?
If the singular is this, and the plural is these,
Why shouldn't the plural of kiss be kese?
Then one may be that, and three be those,
Yet the plural of hat would never be hose.
We speak of a brother, and also of brethren,
But though we say mother, we never say methren.
The masculine pronouns are he, his and him,
But imagine the feminine she, shis, and shim.
So our English, I think you will agree,
Is the trickiest language you ever did see.

I take it you already know
of tough, and bough and cough and dough?
Others may stumble, but not you
on hiccough, through, slough and though.
Well done! And now you wish, perhaps
To learn of less familiar traps?
Beware of heard, a dreadful word
That looks like beard and sounds like bird.
And dead; it's said like bed, not bead!
For goodness sake, don't call it deed!
Watch out for meat and great and threat,
(They rhyme with suite and straight and debt)
A moth is not a moth in mother,
Nor both in bother, broth in brother.
And here is not a match for there,
Nor dear and fear for bear and pear,
And then there's dose and rose and lose –
Just look them up &ndash and goose and choose,
And cork and work and card and ward
And font and front and word and sword.
And do and go, then thwart and cart.
Come, come, I've hardly made a start.
A dreadful language: Why, man alive,
I'd learned to talk when I was five.
And yet to write it, the more I tried,
I hadn't learned it at fifty-five.

[An alternative version quotes the final couplet as:
And yet to write it, the more I sigh,
I'll not learn how 'til the day I die.]


One of the many websites displaying The English Lesson on the Internet comments "Our queer language: so you think French is hard?" Another lists it under the heading "Hints on Pronunciation for Foreigners." A Danish site shows the headline "A dreadful language? English. Engelsk sprogforbistring."

On a St. Louis, Missouri  website, Gary V Deutschmann has revised the final couplet to read "So the ENGLISH, I Think, You All Will AGREE/Is The Most WONDERFUL LANGUAGE You Ever Did SEE." And on an Ohio page it appears as "Let's be more tolerant of he and she/ And of all of those who have diffi-cul-tee!"

Summing up, the puzzle of English pronunciation is admirably described in this final couplet of the first stanza of The English Lesson:


So our English, I think you will agree
Is the trickiest language you ever did see.

Yep wot he said

[TightEnd]

.  Although there may be one or two slip ups, which u dont need to point out at every occasssion.  

we have a deal sir

It is a character flaw of mine to enjoy the English language and all it's eccentricities. This though stops at text speak.

[mystery721]

i will use full punctuation, but i am still going to write "u" instead of "you" and "coz" instead of "because".  And anyone who doesnt like this needs to wake up and realize it is 2006 not 1826!  or maybe ur just all too old to understand us young guns.  just having a laugh, dont turn it into another lets attack mystery thread.

[TightEnd]

I am 31. Tikay is 38. Heid is 63 though, and she seems more on your wavelength than we do.

You can never tell huh?

one last request...capital letters to begin sentences pls?

[The Baron]

Well done on a fantastic post, and to the baron the second group stage was taken away to give inferior teams a chance of making the final (porto and liverpool)  which they would never in a million years would of done if there were still 2 group stages.

It's quite hard to wind up a European champion about football isn't it?  

Yes that is correct - LIVERPOOL ARE EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS! (For the 5th time no less! - More than any other British club!)

Did I mention that already?

[Heid]

62, you cheeky young thing.

[mystery721]

can u......sorry you believe that Neville got charged? That was a joke. Tightend have i written a post 100% perfectly yet? I think this one is. Please tell me i am right.

[Dewi_cool]

i am right, should be capital I  lol

[bundle]

It’s is only a matter of time before the English language is destroyed. The younger generation are growing up with text and instant messengers.

I have an 18 year old son that will leave me notes on paper. “ wot time r u gonna meet yer  m8”

 This drives me mad, it’s not that I don’t understand it, it’s just very lazy.

[The Baron]

can u......sorry you believe that Neville got charged? That was a joke. Tightend have i written a post 100% perfectly yet? I think this one is. Please tell me i am right.

Yeah but it's inciting the fans. Bit harsh but it was pretty stupid.

[dan]

Why has the forum suddenly become an O level english exam. i noticed this a couple of days ago when people were having a pop at mystery and now it has occured again with bolt. to be honest i havent really read bolts posts because i read the forum to have a laugh and not to go through lines and lines of drivel( sorry mate but its hard work reading some of your posts).

I actually havent read all of mystery's posts either because i found some of his posts when he 1st joined slightly arrogant.

Anyway i dont see why all of a sudden spelling mistakes and capital letters are really worth making a point of.


P.S sorry for any mistakes in this post.