Title: So, Tomsom got me learning 18man sngs... Post by: Rexas on July 03, 2014, 04:01:20 AM This happened.
PokerStars Hand #118267597138: Tournament #931794585, $3.16+$0.34 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2014/07/03 1:20:58 WET [2014/07/02 20:20:58 ET] Table '931794585 2' 9-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: 1Rexas1 (6889 in chips) Seat 3: Elibol (1898 in chips) Seat 9: mocho.6666 (18213 in chips) 1Rexas1: posts the ante 25 Elibol: posts the ante 25 mocho.6666: posts the ante 25 Elibol: posts small blind 200 mocho.6666: posts big blind 400 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to 1Rexas1 [Qs Ad] 1Rexas1: raises 400 to 800 Elibol: folds mocho.6666: raises 17388 to 18188 and is all-in 1Rexas1: calls 6064 and is all-in Uncalled bet (11324) returned to mocho.6666 *** FLOP *** [5h Qh 8c] *** TURN *** [5h Qh 8c] [8s] *** RIVER *** [5h Qh 8c 8s]
Title: Re: So, Tomsom got me learning 18man sngs... Post by: lucky_scrote on July 03, 2014, 01:09:12 PM This happened. I think you've made a bit of an error here tbh. I definitely just jam this pre as you are supposed to raise fold probably, or at least you're supposed to call it off once you've opened which makes it really bad for ICM. I probably still min raise my nutted hands, I dunno where I draw the line probably QQ+. If you've raise folded from this spot before then a good player will happily go with ATC and be correct.PokerStars Hand #118267597138: Tournament #931794585, $3.16+$0.34 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2014/07/03 1:20:58 WET [2014/07/02 20:20:58 ET] Table '931794585 2' 9-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: 1Rexas1 (6889 in chips) Seat 3: Elibol (1898 in chips) Seat 9: mocho.6666 (18213 in chips) 1Rexas1: posts the ante 25 Elibol: posts the ante 25 mocho.6666: posts the ante 25 Elibol: posts small blind 200 mocho.6666: posts big blind 400 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to 1Rexas1 [Qs Ad] 1Rexas1: raises 400 to 800 Elibol: folds mocho.6666: raises 17388 to 18188 and is all-in 1Rexas1: calls 6064 and is all-in Uncalled bet (11324) returned to mocho.6666 *** FLOP *** [5h Qh 8c] *** TURN *** [5h Qh 8c] [8s] *** RIVER *** [5h Qh 8c 8s]
Title: Re: So, Tomsom got me learning 18man sngs... Post by: theprawnidentity on July 03, 2014, 03:13:21 PM Pretty sure were meant to jam here too. We need to avoid busting before the short stack at all costs. If the bb is shoving anywhere near to ATC then we will bust here something like 35% of the time which is an absolute disaster given the flat payout structure. We should 100% be jamming our full range here which according to nash would be 77+ A8s+ A5s-A3s ATo+ KTs+ KQo QTs+ JTs.
Ive actually talked about these spots in detail and when you play tons of these it will be very important to make sure that you have balanced range in these spots if you're planning to r/c your premiums. I think a reasonable strategy in this spot would be to: Jam: 77-JJ A8s+ A5s-A3s ATo+ KTs+ KQo QTs+ JTs. Raise Call: AA-QQ Raise Fold: KJo, K9s Title: Re: So, Tomsom got me learning 18man sngs... Post by: lucky_scrote on July 03, 2014, 03:16:26 PM Pretty sure were meant to jam here too. We need to avoid busting before the short stack at all costs. If the bb is shoving anywhere near to ATC then we will bust here something like 35% of the time which is an absolute disaster given the flat payout structure. We should 100% be jamming our full range here which according to nash would be 77+ A8s+ A5s-A3s ATo+ KTs+ KQo QTs+ JTs. Ive actually talked about these spots in detail and when you play tons of these it will be very important to make sure that you have balanced range in these spots if you're planning to r/c your premiums. I think a reasonable strategy in this spot would be to: Jam: 77-JJ A8s+ A5s-A3s ATo+ KTs+ KQo QTs+ JTs. Raise Call: AA-QQ Raise Fold: KJo, K9s I think if you are one of the guys who play 18 mans for SNE then you should be adopting this strategy since you play with the same people so often. So unless you play a shed load of these 18 mans at $30+ then I wouldn't even bother to adopt this strategy of balancing. Title: Re: So, Tomsom got me learning 18man sngs... Post by: theprawnidentity on July 03, 2014, 03:17:17 PM So unless you play a shed load of these 18 mans at $30+ then I wouldn't even bother to adopt this strategy of balancing. I was just editing my OP to include this at the bottom. Agree with this, but I think it's a good habit to get into if you want to move up the stakes and tangle with the bros. Title: Re: So, Tomsom got me learning 18man sngs... Post by: MC on July 05, 2014, 05:22:14 PM Yeah, just jam.
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