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Title: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: Kmac84 on December 19, 2014, 11:48:42 PM
I know Sky have to sell the Henry factor but its tilting me that they are claiming he was the best to play in the premier league.  He wasn't even the best Arsenal player in EPL over the years. 

Who gets your vote?


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: DropTheHammer on December 20, 2014, 12:10:05 AM
In before Ryan Giggs.


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: The Camel on December 20, 2014, 12:15:09 AM
Best is impossible to quantify.

My favourite is Zola.

Henry wouldn't be far behind though.


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: George2Loose on December 20, 2014, 12:17:12 AM
Depends on criteria. Pure talent has to be Ronaldo surely?


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: Kmac84 on December 20, 2014, 12:20:03 AM
Best is impossible to quantify.

My favourite is Zola.

Henry wouldn't be far behind though.

I'd put Bergkamp ahead of Henry at Arsenal.  Perhaps even RVP on basis they haven't replaced him, when Henry went I don't think he was as big a loss.

Drogba, Cantona, Van Nistelrooy, Ronaldo, and Shearer  all get there ahead of him in terms of what they brough to their clubs imo.




Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: Tal on December 20, 2014, 12:20:36 AM
Best is impossible to quantify.

My favourite is Zola.

Henry wouldn't be far behind though.

Pretty much this.

Could make a case for different reasons for Shearer, Bale, Ronaldo, Weah, Schmeichel, Cantona and even, yes, Giggs.

But I'd put Zola a short head above Henry.


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: Ironside on December 20, 2014, 12:25:45 AM
big duncan ferguson ?


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: ForthThistle on December 20, 2014, 12:29:22 AM
big duncan ferguson ?

is this real?

He isn't in the Top 30


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: Ironside on December 20, 2014, 12:31:46 AM
big duncan ferguson ?

is this real?

He isn't in the Top 300


FYP


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: rinswun on December 20, 2014, 12:32:13 AM
Nearly snuck Bale through Tal. Not even Spurs best PL player.


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: Tal on December 20, 2014, 12:37:32 AM
Nearly snuck Bale through Tal. Not even Spurs best PL player.

Highest value (realised) in Prem history.

Jürgen for me, obviously.


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: ForthThistle on December 20, 2014, 12:38:54 AM
Henry and Bergkamp were special.


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: The Camel on December 20, 2014, 12:43:14 AM
Best is impossible to quantify.

My favourite is Zola.

Henry wouldn't be far behind though.

Pretty much this.

Could make a case for different reasons for Shearer, Bale, Ronaldo, Weah, Schmeichel, Cantona and even, yes, Giggs.

But I'd put Zola a short head above Henry.

I remember seeing Giggs at Loftus Road before the QPR decline set in about 22 years ago.

He made one pass while rampaging at top speed at the home defence which instantaneously took 3 defenders out of play.

I doubt anyone in the stands even saw the possibility of the pass, let alone could have seen while running flat out.

I remember leaving the ground and thinking "bloody hell that kid is good"

For once I was right!


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: The Baron on December 20, 2014, 01:18:36 AM
Not a lot wrong with claiming Henry was the best. He wouldn't be my personal choice but it's splitting hairs. Incredible player.


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: Chompy on December 20, 2014, 01:57:00 AM
George Boyd


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: buzzharvey22 on December 20, 2014, 02:54:46 AM
Luis Suarez.

Any bastard plays as well as he did last season then ill gan T-Total


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: celtic on December 20, 2014, 02:56:17 AM
Anyone for frank lampard?

Not as gifted as Henry and bergkamp, but done it at the highest level consistently for 20 years nearly.


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: Ironside on December 20, 2014, 03:11:05 AM
eoin jess?


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: Kmac84 on December 20, 2014, 03:15:49 AM
Anyone for frank lampard?

Not as gifted as Henry and bergkamp, but done it at the highest level consistently for 20 years nearly.

Wouldnt make my fisr XI and that determines for me if your within the range of "best"


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: celtic on December 20, 2014, 03:30:50 AM
eoin jess?

Get back to your diary and stop ruining the thread 😀


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: celtic on December 20, 2014, 03:33:06 AM
Anyone for frank lampard?

Not as gifted as Henry and bergkamp, but done it at the highest level consistently for 20 years nearly.

Wouldnt make my fisr XI and that determines for me if your within the range of "best"

Really?

Who would you have in front of him?


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: Ironside on December 20, 2014, 03:46:29 AM
eoin jess?

Get back to your diary and stop ruining the thread 😀

i assume matt le tissier wont get a look in, he must of been the greatest english player not to get to 10 caps
just wished he choose to play for scotland instead he could of given us some much needed creativity


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: Ironside on December 20, 2014, 03:47:48 AM
Anyone for frank lampard?

Not as gifted as Henry and bergkamp, but done it at the highest level consistently for 20 years nearly.

Wouldnt make my fisr XI and that determines for me if your within the range of "best"

Really?

Who would you have in front of him?

in midfield just english players i would have Gerard and becks


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: mondatoo on December 20, 2014, 03:49:52 AM
Paul Scholes.


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: Kmac84 on December 20, 2014, 03:55:04 AM
Anyone for frank lampard?

Not as gifted as Henry and bergkamp, but done it at the highest level consistently for 20 years nearly.

Wouldnt make my fisr XI and that determines for me if your within the range of "best"

Really?


Who would you have in front of him?

Cech

Neville
Vidic
Ferdinand
Cole

Becks
Gerrard
Keane
Giggs

Bergkamp
Drogba

Few tough decisions in there, and pretty sure you could argue the case but Gerrard at his peak better than Lamps.  


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: Kmac84 on December 20, 2014, 03:56:00 AM
Paul Scholes.

Completely forgot about Scholes who was a tremendous player and also better than Lampard. 


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: rfgqqabc on December 20, 2014, 03:56:42 AM
Can't be having Becks in over Ronaldo, just not happening. Is Becks even in the top 5/10/100 for RM?


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: pleno1 on December 20, 2014, 04:17:58 AM
For that one season it's very hard for somebody to have been more effective than bale he turned into a beast overnigt and was regularly scoring 25+ Yard goals.



Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: pleno1 on December 20, 2014, 04:29:11 AM
I'm not sure why over the last few years Bexkhams reputation declined. He was way more than just a set pieces man.

He worked tirelessly. He scored many fantastic goals, West Ham chip, Tottenham whip that were totally underrated because people knew he had good technique. He didn't have a trick to go past somebody, but he didn't need it he was the best crosser he leagues seen and rightfully holds the place as best rm imo.

Sticking purely to 4-4-2 it's definitely incredibly hard to pick a team, if you pick players on effectiveness over short sample sizes then bale and ronaldo would admittedly go on ahead of Beckham and Giggs.

Strikers wise it's just so hard, Shearer, Henry,  Bergkamp, Drogba, Andy Cole, Zola all worthy in different ways

Cech
Ivanovic
Terry
Kompany
Cole

Beckham (ronaldo)
Viera
Gerrard
Giggs (Bale)

Shearer
Henry

Would probably be my team interesting ideation may be which players currently playing have the potential to get jto the team ^^

Courtouis
Zavala ta?
Azpilecuta
Sanchez?
Augers?
Falcao?
Hazard?
Rooney?
Di Maria?
Sterling?


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: Ironside on December 20, 2014, 04:47:03 AM
seriously though evern if shearer was a saint at one point you cant have him above cantona


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: FUN4FRASER on December 20, 2014, 07:29:25 AM
                                                      Shmeichel

                                    Adams           Terry           Bale

                                                         Viera

                              Ronaldo         Keane    Cantona       Henry

                                               Bergkamp   Shearer


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: neverbluff67 on December 20, 2014, 07:43:57 AM
Schmeichel

Neville   Ferdinand   Vidic   Cole

Ronaldo   Scholes   Vieira   Giggs

Shearer   Henry

I think Schmeichel, Cole, Ronaldo, Giggs and Scholes are locked in the rest is personal preference


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: TightEnd on December 20, 2014, 10:01:42 AM
without looking back at the thread


Schmeichel

Neville
Adams
Terry
Irwin

Ronaldo
Scholes
Vieira
Gggs

Shearer
Henry


to my mind 9 pick themselves - only one of the centre backs and left back are really up for debate

the two best teams we've had are United 1998-2005 and Arsenal invincibles. of the above only Shearer and terry are not from those two teams

honourable mentions to bergkamp, cantona, lampard, gerrard, rio, a cole


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: pleno1 on December 20, 2014, 10:19:40 AM
Scholes > Gerard interests me.

I know the game has changed in the past 29 years and I detest Ashley Cole as much as you do but he really was an amazing left back. He actually could take a good penalty too! But admittedly not as good as Irvin.

It's hard to judge players even from a 20 year span as irwin/neville would struggle these days but I guess it's all relative.


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: horseplayer on December 20, 2014, 11:19:13 AM
Amazed Irwin was not mentioned until Tighty did

He would be fine today, could get up and down all day attacking threat and good defensively



Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: The Baron on December 20, 2014, 11:51:46 AM
without looking back at the thread


Schmeichel

Neville
Adams
Terry
Irwin

Ronaldo
Scholes
Vieira
Gggs

Shearer
Henry


to my mind 9 pick themselves - only one of the centre backs and left back are really up for debate

the two best teams we've had are United 1998-2005 and Arsenal invincibles. of the above only Shearer and terry are not from those two teams

honourable mentions to bergkamp, cantona, lampard, gerrard, rio, a cole

This would be very close to my team with one or maybe two changes.


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: Karabiner on December 20, 2014, 12:01:33 PM
without looking back at the thread


Schmeichel

Neville
Adams
Terry
Irwin

Ronaldo
Scholes
Vieira
Gggs

Shearer
Henry


to my mind 9 pick themselves - only one of the centre backs and left back are really up for debate

the two best teams we've had are United 1998-2005 and Arsenal invincibles. of the above only Shearer and terry are not from those two teams

honourable mentions to bergkamp, cantona, lampard, gerrard, rio, a cole

+Pires perhaps.


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: mondatoo on December 20, 2014, 12:13:11 PM
Ivanovic >>>>> Neville for me.


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: FUN4FRASER on December 21, 2014, 08:35:38 AM
Alternative Team                                                                    Friedel
                                                                 
                                                                             Desailly     Guillit    Winterburn
                                                                                     
                                                                       Di Canio     Lampard      Beardsley     Hazard

                                                                                              Zola

                                                                                   Aguero     Suarez


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: david3103 on December 21, 2014, 09:27:44 AM
Schmeichel - Van der Saar comes close, as does Cech, but Scmeichel was immense
Neville G
Terry - loathesome creature, but ...
Adams
Cole - just gets it vs Irwin for me although that nay be reverse bias
Ronaldo - only gave us three seasons of his best, but his final season was utterly outstanding
Scholes - inarguable IMO
Keane - good arguments for Viera and Yaya Toure but Keane shades it over Viera and Toure hasn.t had the longevity
Giggs - should be in every team in this thread
Henry - probably the best all round forward
Shearer - see comments re Terry, but that goalscoring record is amazing for someone with so few medals

Not a team  for the faint-hearted, but obviously SAF gets the job as manager.


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 21, 2014, 10:44:44 AM
Lol! The best player hasn't even been mentioned yet! The best player to grace the Premier League was Paul Gascoigne. And if it wasn't for Dennis Bergkamp it wouldn't even be remotely close!


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: david3103 on December 21, 2014, 01:26:13 PM
Lol! The best player hasn't even been mentioned yet! The best player to grace the Premier League was Paul Gascoigne. And if it wasn't for Dennis Bergkamp it wouldn't even be remotely close!

Gascoigne's best was a long way behind him when he made his PL debut


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: 77dave on December 21, 2014, 02:29:33 PM
Lol! The best player hasn't even been mentioned yet! The best player to grace the Premier League was Paul Gascoigne. And if it wasn't for Dennis Bergkamp it wouldn't even be remotely close!

Gascoigne's best was a long way behind him when he made his PL debut

Is the question best player to have played in the PL or who played best whilst in the PL?


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: Kmac84 on December 21, 2014, 02:46:25 PM
Lol! The best player hasn't even been mentioned yet! The best player to grace the Premier League was Paul Gascoigne. And if it wasn't for Dennis Bergkamp it wouldn't even be remotely close!

Gascoigne's best was a long way behind him when he made his PL debut

Is the question best player to have played in the PL or who played best whilst in the PL?


Whilst in. 


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: scotty2hatty on December 21, 2014, 09:13:04 PM
                                                      Shmeichel

                                    Adams           Terry           Bale

                                                         Viera

                              Ronaldo         Keane    Cantona       Henry

                                               Bergkamp   Shearer

Comedy. This is like something I'd do on FIFA just to fit all the players in.


Title: Re: Best Player To Have Played in Premier League?
Post by: FUN4FRASER on December 22, 2014, 02:44:30 PM
                                                      Shmeichel

                                    Adams           Terry           Bale

                                                         Viera

                              Ronaldo         Keane    Cantona       Henry

                                               Bergkamp   Shearer

Comedy. This is like something I'd do on FIFA just to fit all the players in.

   FIFA ? I think I've heard of it , that's a kids game right  ?