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Final table of Event #42: $1,500 Extended Play No-Limit Hold'em

currently 4/8

http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/chipcounts.asp?grid=1136&tid=14242

live stream at http://www.wsop.com/2015/live-video/

Payouts http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/payouts.asp?grid=1136&tid=14242

updates http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/updates.asp?grid=1136&tid=14242

Big hand is on the stream right now

just shown it

10-10 v Q-Q v 3-3 aipf 3-3 shoves, Q-Q shoves and Barny overcalls for the lot? did i see that out of the corner of my eye 

Barny spikes a 10 to knock out 2

must be close to chip lead

Good luck Barny

Go Barney

Goooooooooo Barney

5 left on the stream

Apmann is a big chip leader, raising a lot with nothing

J-J raised UTG 8-8 folded in position (a very tight fold indeed) and Apmann took a flop with 4-4 in the big

it came 8-4-3 and Jacks busted 6th

meanwhile, we are told the dealer's name is Mike Shampoo

He's worth every penny, of course

head and shoulders above the rest.

gl barney

Extended Play has been extended an extra day. Five players remain w/ Adrian Apmann in the lead.

http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/chipcounts.asp?rr=5&grid=1136&tid=14242&dayof=

Barny 2/5

1st $478,102
2nd $295,727
3rd $204,464
4th $147,463
5th $107,800

Apparantly he's from London, and when asked how much he was getting paid per hour he said Pantene.

30 minute delay stream just kicked off:

http://www.wsop.com/2015/live-video/default.aspx?sr=&TID=14242

Please no spoilers tonight

No spoilers  ?

So the funk for Barney thread cant be updated?

Surely the onus is on you not to look at the funk for Barney fred :dontask:?!

The stream is at least 30 mins behind so understand if you want to watch that way.?

Perhaps we need two threads: "The funk for Barny Boatman (real time)" and "The funk for Barny Boatman (30 mins delay)". :)

LOL

Hehe 😃

Winner

This is the first time I've followed an event on wsop.com and their updates are pants.

Especially if you're not American

How difficult is it to update the chips regularly when they are playing 3 handed?

Pokernews used to do it every hand at the final table IIRC

Because over the last few years, the updaters have had access to a screen that shows all the info such as chip counts etc for the railers. This year, someone fucked up and in an event, the hole cards were visible. The Nevada Gaming Control now only allows the flop cam to be seen in the Amazon Room so our updaters dont have access to that info any more.

Updaters are also not allowed within the camera range, we have to stand behind the TD - and trust me, it is impossible to count chips accurately from 20 yards away. We have to rely on all in confrontations where the staff announce the all in bet...and that doesnt always happen. On top of that, we're expected to do hand-for-hand coverage so naturally a team of two will concentrate on action, not chip counts.

Apologies if people think I'm out of line.

I don't think anyone would think that you are out of line.
It's really interesting to learn how it works.

Thanks for the explanation.

No idea why the wsop would change a tried and tested formula (even if the binned Pokernews, they could have kept the same reporting system)

Yes I'm watching on the 'live' video stream.  Last night I was watching the affable Sam Ravazi get allin in a great spot but learned his unfortunate fate from someone posting his demise on the rail before all the tanking had finished on the stream.

They didnt have a choice. The Nevads Gaming Control Board specifically banned the screens because the hole cards were shown accidentally once. Even people railing can only see a flop cam, they have no idea of stacks etc.

Rather not see the hole cards, and know the chip stacks.

Maybe don't look at the rail while watching the stream?

Well, I guess I can't then. Which is a shame because I thought this was a 'funk for Barny' thread to discuss it? But how can people if the results are posted way before people read/watch it for themselves?

Night.

Does knowing the result really matter?

Do you watch Match of the Day?

Sometimes I watch MOTD without knowing an of the results. It's incredible.

In 1975 that was possible.

In 2015 I can scarcely believe you.

How does anyone avoid the Premier League results for 6 hours? Haven't you got bets on?

I fade MOTD scores all the time, no facebook = not that hard.

If I had a bet on then that would be even better reason to fade scores for the sweat.

what ever happened to the likely lads

Don't turn the computer on? Don't talk to friends? Don't listen to the radio?

DON'T WATCH SOCCER FREAKING SATURDAY????

Impossible I wait 6 hours to discover the fate of a bet.

Instant gratification ftw

How's Barny doing?

Did he win?

3rd 200k

AQ < AK bvb aipf

The best episode in my opinion :)

To be fair it's the only episode anyone remembers  :)

I've given up playing poker and am now a professional railer!

I had my tablet railside and so we had the stream on that for any interesting hands or comments.  A few small things came up during the time which were relayed to Barney, mainly the commentators seemed to be funking for him as he was the only guy trying to make something happen of the three.  They were so deep when they went three handed that the short stack had 40 bb, Barny 80bb and chip leader well over 120bb I think.  This caused a knock on effect and it lasted five hours until the frenchman had survived a few all ins to get back to alive and then get chipped away again by the other two, Barny made a few moves and one helluva good value bet with 88 on 95292 vs A5.


Unfortunately it was not to be and after him saying "I know they now know I've not had it in those big spots let's find a good hand and get some chips back" he then runs AQ into AK. After his preflop holdings all day he felt like AQ was the nuts.... couldn't find one more miracle but he was so happy and smiley afterwards - "I'm knackered anyways, I really want to get to sleep".

Only met him once briefly before today and he's such a nice guy... Really pulled out some good poker and obviously had a few big hands to get him there but played the final table like a pro.

Congratulations Barny!

(not a criticism of you, more a comment on the ethics of streams/rails/sharing info etc)

do we think that railers being allowed to view the stream and relay stuff to the players is really appropriate?

i know the 30 minute delay helps but its short enough that reads, hand info etc can be passed on and really affect gameflow, the way the tournament plays out

shouldn't anyone in the rail area be stopped from viewing the stream as we do at home, mobile phones off players for duration of the final too etc etc?

anyway, just to wrap up the funk

Adrian Apmann wins the 1st ever $1,500 Extended Play event. He earns the top prize of $478K

here is the tournament report http://www.wsop.com/news/2015/Jun/6360/GERMAN-PLAYER-ADRIAN-APMANN-NEEDS-EXTENDED-PLAY-TO-WIN-A-WSOP-GOLD-BRACELET.html

well done to Barny, fantastic performance

It's definitely worth looking at, in this instance a few things were passed onto him that may have helped him, we hope....

Today each of the three players had someone watching, at the rail, conveying information - does that make it fair?

i don't like it but if i was ever there (lol) i'd be at a definite disadvantage if i didn't have spotters on the stream relaying stuff to me for me, i think

can't think that this was the intention of the WSOP. the stream is there as a promotional tool (cross markets products) for people not there, not to allow players to have aids outside what they gather themselves at the table..

might as well give them HUD googles too...

You joke but we all know it's only a matter of a year of two until someone is accused of using a live hud assisting their play.

Never punt, except one occasion when pizzled and Sicilian came up to visit me and they made me do an acca. It lost.

Avoiding the results is easy when you don't support a prem team. Doubt I've missed a Celtic score by more than 20 mins for a long long time.

Lee Davy, on Calvyn Ayre, wrote a great piece about this, & called it right, imo.

It's here.....

http://calvinayre.com/2015/06/23/poker/how-the-live-stream-gives-pros-a-huge-edge-over-recreational-players/


Do we all admire Barny Boatman? Of course we do, he's barely got an enemy in poker. Should we try give him a potentially unfair advantage over others, or they against him? Of course not.

Online poker on many sites is being destroyed by artificial aids which disadvantages 90% of the player base, the recreational players, the guys who pay the pros wages. Be a terrible shame if we allowed it to spread to Live poker.

I remember objecting to this very thing on a thread some time ago regarding DTD FT streams. Unsurprisingly enough all you guys thought they were a wicked idea and good for publicity. However the reality is they blatantly corrupt the purity of the game.

Not sure the live HUD bit is much of an advantage.  I quite like playing poker with people that don't pay attention to what is happening in pots that don't involve them.

the DTD practice is different. there you cannot view the live stream (on whatever delay) on the premises unless you are in the commentary booth which is in a locked office

phones and tablets are also taken off players and bagged during a streamed final

of course someone watching at home can text or call someone on the rail who can then relay information in breaks, I accept, and it is possibly semantics to draw a distinction but having someone on a rail watching the stream on their IPad, and a player can walk over mid-play when not in a hand and discuss stream is much less acceptable imo

of course these allowing these streams is a balance between operator/venue wanting publicity and promotion and on the other hand integrity of the game

I was surprised the WSOP allowed streams to be viewed on the rail hole cards included...an IP block so the stream can't be viewed on premises allows it be rowed back towards a final table where that balance is more acceptable