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She was impressive in her General Election speech, and no less impressive now.
I don't agree with all of her views, but look forward to following how her career progresses.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZAmhB55_-k

absolutely can't stand her

good speech though!

Just saw this on Facebook, and was about to post it myself.

Definitely comes across very well there, and as Tighty said, a very good speech.

Was it an SNP meeting, or do most of them take Mondays off?

Why? Irrational dislike?

Can't see past the fact she's a chav lol

She is a breath of Fresh Air.

Wow.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had a chamber full of people who could talk like that? The Daily Politics would be on at 7pm, PMQs would be straight after Eastenders and the upcoming debate on foxhunting would push Mrs Brown's Boys to BBC2.

Kids would be collecting Westminster sticker albums, arguing over a suggested trade of Theresa May and Hilary Benn for a shiny Nick Clegg. Families would watch debates into the night the way they watch the Masters Golf or the Eurovision results.

Oh, and people would vote on issues rather than rosette colours, because 600 people in suits would make them realise what a glorious and precious thing democracy is.

What?

That's a classy lady up here.

You should offer to meet her over a kebab or nandos mate, you might have to pay now she's an MP, you might look the bigger chav if you insisted on her paying though. You got better clothes than a shiny tracksuit if you meet?  ;nana;

What do you want Tal? 

Eloquence, passion and command of the subject? Colourful insults about other politicians? Speeches that build until they flow over with one historic phrase after another? References to playwrights, poets, economists, 18th century politicians and other historical figures liberally sprinkled in?

Try these two Irish politicians.

Michael D. has a style of starting slowly and building the flow, so you might want to skip to 3:00 of the second one if the whole thing is too long. David Norris, on the other hand, in the first, is in full flow from the start:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51fGHV6ViAk

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-vCJQ5lLPk

can't stand her politics. whole party is a load of chancers

(see their behaviour on the fox hunting vote. Angus Robertson, leader of the group, said the party wanted to send a message to the Conservative government about the narrowness of its majority. So they'd vote for the current legislation in England, if the vote went ahead, but the Scottish hunting laws are much more lenient*. As I say, chancers. EVEL please, and quickly)

her behaviour on election night really rankled, gave a very surly acceptance speech in stark contrast to murphy's dignified exit

i do concede that a lot of the SNP MPs are very fine orators. probably because they've had plenty of practice shouting over heckling lol


(*Traditional fox hunting with dogs is illegal across Britain. However, hunts in England and Wales are able to flush out foxes for pest control purposes, using only two dogs - as long as the foxes are shot as quickly as possible. In Scotland an unlimited number of dogs can be used for this purpose.)

Didn't the conservatives want Scotland to remain in the union? But they don't want the Scottish MP's to vote on certain issues?

Yes the whole thing is a mess. the current government needs better legislation than it is presently proposing, the SNP wants it both ways and the situation is a legacy of the initial poor process of devolution

 rotflmfao. Funny but true

Half of them are just total luckboxes, right time right place and all that with the rise of the SNP. Some decent MP's lost out to this bunch of chavs.

It's a good speech, but so are a lot of maiden speeches - they're prepared and ready for it and given the opportunity to show off to their best.

I generally think that MP's should have at least 5 years experience of work outside of politics so that they have a more general world view; this is primarily to avoid career politicians - but she does highlight that it would also benefit from having a minimum level of experience and qualification as well.

Its a UK parliament not an English one.

Create an English assembly and you can kill as many foxes as you want.

If fox hunting is a devolved matter, then the SNP shouldn't get a say on the law of England and Wales.

Simple as that.

I though the argument was about how we killed them not how many?

It is

I am not trying to make a pro or anti hunting point, merely that the SNP were determined to vote in this instance not on principles but on political expediency when their own devolved laws allow something completely dfifferent and substantially more lenient on the matter

Hypocrisy of the highest order

Again - it's a UK Parliament not an English one, get your own assembly for your English laws and stop interfering with democracy.

who is interfering with democracy?

no one is suggesting that anyone does

EVEL stops this nonsense of the SNP having the best of both worlds, if introduced correctly

It is pretty clear that MPs vote for political reasons and not because of their beliefs, but bragging about how you were going to vote against something for an unrelated reason seems a bit classless.  

I always smile a bit when the SNP accuse others of trying to break up the Union as if they had nothing to do with it.  We were just innocent bystanders gov.

It all does seem a horrid mess at the minute.  

I think it was top trolling by the SNP, and their voting base really won't have an issue with a policy of 'doing things just to fuck up the Tories for mad lolz yo'

I voted for my MP to vote on laws in the UK parliament.  Whether any law is an "English" law is subjective.  Create an English assembly and devolve powers if you want, but stopping my MP voting is because in the opinion of the Tory Party a law only affects England is unacceptable.

but Scotland has devolved powers, and sets its own laws on issues

why then should it vote on the same issues but IN A DIFFERENT WAY FOR ENGLAND than it enforces in Scotland?!  Its illogical, but offers the opportunity to point score, no more than that

the whole thing is a complete mess, and it began with the devolution process under Blair in 98

brilliant demolition of the speech

http://www.capx.co/the-big-problem-with-mhairi-blacks-maiden-speech/

the writer of that seems very balanced

ahem

I didn't get this impression, but maybe was blinded by her being such an engaging speaker at a very young age.
Made some nice comments about her predecessor in the commons speech, which must go some way to correcting that.

She didn't defeat Murphy either. Wasn't it Douglas Alexander?

Though in balance it is tradition in a maiden to say something nice about the prior/ defeated member for that seat

Not really into politics, but I've heard some not very nice stuff about Murphy, so giving gracious losing speeches doesn't really make him a better person.

The idea that Scottish MPs can vote in the UK Parliament on matters which are devolved to Scotland (and therefore aren't regulated from Westminster) is an absolute affront to democracy.

You cannot have it both ways. You can be devolved and decide for yourselves, or we can decide together, and you can not be devolved. Either is fine, but both ways is scandalous.

Nobody seriously disagrees with that, surely?

You can argue the 'Englishness' of an issue if you please, but I'd suggest a good definition is 'a bill concerning  devolved matter which has been voted on in Scottish Parliament in the last two sessions.'

Also, re OP: thought it was very average, smacked of being written by some dull Donald PR/Communications maven and the only reason anyone thought it was any good is because British politicians are on the whole, dire.

any law that is passed in the UK parliament has a knock on effect to the devolved governments in wales/ireland and scotland

if they english people want english votes for english matters then the english people need to get a devolved government

rather than stopping scottish MP's voting of things that will effect scottish people in a round about way

if the UK government decide that a vote for a scottish MP is worth less than a vote for an english MP you will find alot of unrest in scotland that will lead to the break up of the union

that unrest will include civil disobedience including   from alot of moderate people some of whom are already feeling tricked into voting NO last year

Scotland had their chance to leave us but sense prevailed. So they really should abide by what we say they should do. They know it makes sence in the long run

Hardly a balanced view I thought this was better . .  .

http://wingsoverscotland.com/fox-force-56/

Fwiw I think Mhari is very good despite some of her views, if we had more of her ilk things would be far better for the majority.

Can't believe it took you so long to get to this thread   :D

Just for balance i am probably the biggest tory on this site but fair play to her.  She has a quality education from a top uni (she got a first in politics from Glasgow uni) i don't agree with most of her views and i think she is riding the snp gravy train to get a seat in the houses of parliement but at least she is passionate and young and loves the game.  Most of the middle aged middle class snp wannabes who have just landed on a £65k a year job plus exs are going to live off her and her image for years.  She will be the next SNP leader surely?

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I don't ever see her as a leader.  I'd be happy to lay that one for sure.   

Fundamentally not true for devolved matters.

Situation/West Lothian question always been a concern but will be worse now that the SNP have promised 'full opposition' and will vote (rather than abstain) on any issue that has fuck all to do with them just to score political points.

I am English. I don't want Scottish MPs voting on whether I can hunt, or not. Or anything else we devolved, for that matter.

Im not, obviously, saying the SNP vote is worth less than others, I'm saying on devolved matters they shouldn't get to vote on the twice ffs. Every time a Scottish MP votes on an English issue, the Scottish Public have had two voices, one in Holyrood and another in Westminster. That is fundamentally unfair, your voices, nationalist and politically immature as they are, are not more important than mine, or anyone else. They days of Scotland being first amongst equals have to end.

I think the problem is if we treat Westminster as the English Parliament it doesn't really promote Britain. We have MSPs for regional matters and MPs to vote on British matters. Until you devolve and get your own local EMP to sweat the small stuff then I can't agree. The House of Commons is British, you can't use it as your English Parliament