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Title: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: MereNovice on July 20, 2015, 08:36:19 AM
9pm tonight on BBC1. First of 3 part series.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b063ly3b

No idea what it's like. I suspect that it may be a bit naff.
I just thought that some people might be interested.

The Guardian says:

Britain at the Bookies
9pm, BBC1
Hot on the heels of The Bank, here’s another slice-of-life series from the increasingly well-documented streets of Huddersfield. This time, the gambling industry gets the treatment and this opener does a decent job of maintaining a jaunty front while still highlighting the moral queasiness underpinning the industry. It follows shop manager Tony, high-achieving punter Sean, and the unfortunate Stuart, who traipses around the town’s fixed-odds machines squandering his benefits on the illusory prospect of a £50 windfall. Phil Harrison


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Tal on July 20, 2015, 08:51:05 AM
In episode two, the shop is visited by arbboy, who asks for £250 each way on a 6/5 shot. The shop manager accepts and quietly processes the bet. As arbboy leaves and the door closes behind him, both burst into hysterical fits of laughter.

The shop is then visited by eleven husbands, each clutching £500 and a piece of paper with meticulously specific instructions. 


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 20, 2015, 09:59:09 AM
9pm tonight on BBC1. First of 3 part series.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b063ly3b

No idea what it's like. I suspect that it may be a bit naff.
I just thought that some people might be interested.

The Guardian says:

Britain at the Bookies
9pm, BBC1
Hot on the heels of The Bank, here’s another slice-of-life series from the increasingly well-documented streets of Huddersfield. This time, the gambling industry gets the treatment and this opener does a decent job of maintaining a jaunty front while still highlighting the moral queasiness underpinning the industry. It follows shop manager Tony, high-achieving punter Sean, and the unfortunate Stuart, who traipses around the town’s fixed-odds machines squandering his benefits on the illusory prospect of a £50 windfall. Phil Harrison


Looking forward to seeing who Sean is and whether the bbc show the high achieving punter getting knocked back to a fiver ew on his bet and getting told the most he can have on a dog race is £20 at sp so it is a real life show not a PR exercise for Joe Coral.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on July 20, 2015, 10:20:25 AM
100-1 they show anyone having a bet knocked back.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: celtic on July 20, 2015, 11:58:36 AM
100-1 they show anyone having a bet knocked back.

Viewers don't want to see people getting bets knocked back, they want to see people knocking it in and not having enough money for nappies and food. Then fb can explode with rage.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Simon Galloway on July 20, 2015, 01:54:03 PM
It has to sting a lot tho otherwise it isn't a decent bet!


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The Camel on July 20, 2015, 02:00:36 PM
Tbf they can not/will not show winning punters.

It might encourage people to take up gambling and lose all their money.

Totally understand why they will only show losers.



Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on July 20, 2015, 02:09:30 PM
High-achieving punter Sean* must be a winner surely?

*guessing not Conning


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: MereNovice on July 20, 2015, 02:14:20 PM
The manager of the branch of Corals they are following is Tony Kendall; I kid you not.

(http://31.cdn.bit2host.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/coral-britain-at-the-bookies-bbc.jpg)


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Omm on July 20, 2015, 02:17:32 PM
High-achieving punter Sean* must be a winner surely?

*guessing not Conning


Have u watched the clips, wonder is Sean the guy that's lost 35k in two weeks.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on July 20, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
The manager of the branch of Corals they are following is Tony Kendall; I kid you not.

(http://31.cdn.bit2host.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/coral-britain-at-the-bookies-bbc.jpg)

TV's Tony Kendall will be fumming that there's another Tony Kendall on TV.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02x235k


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Tal on July 20, 2015, 02:37:02 PM
Tbf they can not/will not show winning punters.

It might encourage people to take up gambling and lose all their money.

Totally understand why they will only show losers.



Serious?

Why agree to participate in a show if it's designed to point out what a terrible idea it is to use their services?

Their adverts have Farley and Carly celebrating when they - relentlessly - win their bets. Surely they're entitled to show a bit of balance with a fella getting his Yankee paid out?

They might not show the bloke running around the shop shouting at the virtual horses and the bonus ball, mind...


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: BigAdz on July 20, 2015, 02:41:42 PM
Nice to see a happy smiling Tony Kendall, enjoying his job.

Is that the guy that lost his keys/lost his phone? Seems to have lost everything else. :D


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: ripple11 on July 20, 2015, 02:43:12 PM
The manager of the branch of Corals they are following is Tony Kendall; I kid you not.

(http://31.cdn.bit2host.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/coral-britain-at-the-bookies-bbc.jpg)

TV's Tony Kendall will be fumming that there's another Tony Kendall on TV.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02x235k

its ok ....if you google images "Tony Kendall Coral" our Tony still comes up first..... in between a rather nice short pink dress .


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The Camel on July 20, 2015, 02:45:37 PM
Tbf they can not/will not show winning punters.

It might encourage people to take up gambling and lose all their money.

Totally understand why they will only show losers.



Serious?

Why agree to participate in a show if it's designed to point out what a terrible idea it is to use their services?

Their adverts have Farley and Carly celebrating when they - relentlessly - win their bets. Surely they're entitled to show a bit of balance with a fella getting his Yankee paid out?

They might not show the bloke running around the shop shouting at the virtual horses and the bonus ball, mind...

They might show the odd rec getting lucky.

Cannot believe they'll show Huddersfield's equivalent of arbboy or BigAdz.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Tal on July 20, 2015, 02:50:04 PM
Tbf they can not/will not show winning punters.

It might encourage people to take up gambling and lose all their money.

Totally understand why they will only show losers.



Serious?

Why agree to participate in a show if it's designed to point out what a terrible idea it is to use their services?

Their adverts have Farley and Carly celebrating when they - relentlessly - win their bets. Surely they're entitled to show a bit of balance with a fella getting his Yankee paid out?

They might not show the bloke running around the shop shouting at the virtual horses and the bonus ball, mind...

They might show the odd rec getting lucky.

Cannot believe they'll show Huddersfield's equivalent of arbboy or BigAdz.

No. This is what I first thought of:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQw3PxYpF1Q


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: BigAdz on July 20, 2015, 02:56:43 PM
Tbf they can not/will not show winning punters.

It might encourage people to take up gambling and lose all their money.

Totally understand why they will only show losers.



Serious?

Why agree to participate in a show if it's designed to point out what a terrible idea it is to use their services?

Their adverts have Farley and Carly celebrating when they - relentlessly - win their bets. Surely they're entitled to show a bit of balance with a fella getting his Yankee paid out?

They might not show the bloke running around the shop shouting at the virtual horses and the bonus ball, mind...

They might show the odd rec getting lucky.

Cannot believe they'll show Huddersfield's equivalent of arbboy or BigAdz.


Yup, every shop has a Bigtime Charlie, and an aftertimer with a load of betting slips guaranteeing a winner. Only thing it lacks is a miserable old git.......room for us all somewhere. ;)


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 20, 2015, 03:10:30 PM
There was a great thread on the bf forum years ago about betting shop characters and a piss take at certain types of characters who lurk in every betting shop across the land.  It was amazing how many of the 'types' do actually exist in any random shop you go in.  Most of them exist on blonde as well.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: redsimon on July 20, 2015, 03:19:16 PM
If its anything like the bank fly on the wall they did in Huddersfield there will be lots of absolute dicks hamming it up for the cameras and plenty of cringy moments. Is BBC obsessed by Huddersfield?


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 20, 2015, 03:24:59 PM
According to the preview of the show in the racing post next week's show is all about the battle between bookies and punters and is coming directly from Joe's trading floor.  Surely they will show bets being knocked back there?  Will be hard to fill a one hour show with Joe not knocking a bet back on their trading floor?  Would be the biggest editing job in the history of the bbc to fill an hour without it!


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The Camel on July 20, 2015, 03:25:11 PM
There was a great thread on the bf forum years ago about betting shop characters and a piss take at certain types of characters who lurk in every betting shop across the land.  It was amazing how many of the 'types' do actually exist in any random shop you go in.  Most of them exist on blonde as well.

My favourite is "advice man".

Always liberal to give advice to everyone before a race and to the losing jockey of his selection during/after the race.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 20, 2015, 03:33:19 PM
http://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/23528430/betting-shop-characters-reprinted-by-request?liveView=0

Put the blondes to the characters in this thread and why!


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on July 20, 2015, 04:13:08 PM
There was a great thread on the bf forum years ago about betting shop characters and a piss take at certain types of characters who lurk in every betting shop across the land.  It was amazing how many of the 'types' do actually exist in any random shop you go in.  Most of them exist on blonde as well.

My favourite is "advice man".

Always liberal to give advice to everyone before a race and to the losing jockey of his selection during/after the race.

"Shout at screen" man always good too. There's an on-course version of him these days, "Haydock screamy woman", who screams home every winner.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: AndrewT on July 20, 2015, 04:18:49 PM
Every bookie I worked in had one, and only one, massive punting Chinese guy. Different guy every shop.

I always presumed local takeaways were not too demanding of the taxman's time.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: BigAdz on July 20, 2015, 04:25:07 PM
There was a great thread on the bf forum years ago about betting shop characters and a piss take at certain types of characters who lurk in every betting shop across the land.  It was amazing how many of the 'types' do actually exist in any random shop you go in.  Most of them exist on blonde as well.

My favourite is "advice man".

Always liberal to give advice to everyone before a race and to the losing jockey of his selection during/after the race.

"Shout at screen" man always good too. There's an on-course version of him these days, "Haydock screamy woman", who screams home every winner.


Haha. I always assumed that was some sort of, almost, backing accompanyment to the commentary. The woman that screams like she has had her entire roll on it every race.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: vegaslover on July 20, 2015, 05:22:32 PM
Every bookie I worked in had one, and only one, massive punting Chinese guy. Different guy every shop.

I always presumed local takeaways were not too demanding of the taxman's time.

haha, my local bookies back in the day had a chinese guy who ran the fish and chip shop. Massive punter, always allowed to skip the queue and get on after a race had started


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: samurai on July 20, 2015, 09:03:28 PM
It will be the usual BBC/Channel 4 hatchet job showing countless fobtards knocking in their benefits, designed as ever to enrage squealing Guardian readers who can then wring their hands together and wail about the plight and abuse of the unemployed and unemployable. As usual completely ignoring the fact they'd lose it over the counter in the bookies or in an amusement arcade if Fobts didn't exist, albeit less rapidly.

Should have filmed it in an independent betting shop. Its a bit more cutting edge and gritty then


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: craigbetts on July 20, 2015, 09:58:07 PM
Coral online dept admit to knowing the 'shrewdies'.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The Camel on July 20, 2015, 09:58:49 PM
1/4 million if Man Utd win a corner?

10,000 new accounts for every opening offer?

Me thinks they are fibbing.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: StuartHopkin on July 20, 2015, 10:09:00 PM
Lol

What have you bet on?

Odd

Err no you haven't!


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: redsimon on July 20, 2015, 10:16:32 PM
It will be the usual BBC/Channel 4 hatchet job showing countless fobtards knocking in their benefits, designed as ever to enrage squealing Guardian readers who can then wring their hands together and wail about the plight and abuse of the unemployed and unemployable. As usual completely ignoring the fact they'd lose it over the counter in the bookies or in an amusement arcade if Fobts didn't exist, albeit less rapidly.

Should have filmed it in an independent betting shop. Its a bit more cutting edge and gritty then

FOBTs are evil though


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Omm on July 20, 2015, 10:24:09 PM
head of novelty trading reducing the odds on the back of a newspaper article, couldnt make it up.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Tal on July 20, 2015, 10:26:01 PM
head of novelty trading reducing the odds on the back of a newspaper article, couldnt make it up.

When do we see them checking Tips for Tikay?


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: engy on July 20, 2015, 10:27:27 PM
I can only have 27 pound on, Whats that all about? Idont know loooll and hes supposedly a punter


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Omm on July 20, 2015, 10:28:17 PM
head of novelty trading reducing the odds on the back of a newspaper article, couldnt make it up.

When do we see them checking Tips for Tikay?

im absoultly positive Sporting bet do, the darts bets bazza put up recently, restricted to £2.18 on them with only my 3rd bet on the account, no winners.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Omm on July 20, 2015, 10:30:26 PM
Why are the FBOT's expensive to run?


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: samurai on July 20, 2015, 10:32:42 PM
Why are the FBOT's expensive to run?
High rental costs, low margins and high taxation


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: celtic on July 20, 2015, 10:39:46 PM
Thought it was good, and fairly balanced.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Omm on July 20, 2015, 10:40:36 PM
Thought it was good, and fairly balanced.

and still nobody can beat Tony Kendall


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: craigbetts on July 20, 2015, 10:41:53 PM
Thought it was good, and fairly balanced.

This ^^^^

Also fancy a punt when Harriet is on the tills.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: celtic on July 20, 2015, 10:43:28 PM
Thought it was good, and fairly balanced.

and still nobody can beat Tony Kendall

The fat tony Kendall or the one that works at corals?


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: samurai on July 20, 2015, 10:46:34 PM
Yep. Fair play to them. Much more balanced than I expected. Expected to see the lad spunk his shoe and food money. Nice to see he didn't and they showed it too.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The_nun on July 20, 2015, 10:52:00 PM
If its anything like the bank fly on the wall they did in Huddersfield there will be lots of absolute dicks hamming it up for the cameras and plenty of cringy moments. Is BBC obsessed by Huddersfield?

Gods county, what can I say. TBF we have both known Tony for over twenty years, not through gambling in his shop, he is a top bloke and so far the show has only shown a snippet of the aggressive punters he has to deal with daily and handles them greatly.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on July 20, 2015, 11:00:15 PM
Thought it was good, and fairly balanced.

and still nobody can beat Tony Kendall

The fat tony Kendall or the one that works at corals?

Lol.

What a crock of shit that was.

But it's inspired me, I plan to have a go at being a pro punter, see I can get me a new table.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Marky147 on July 20, 2015, 11:02:25 PM
Thought it was good, and fairly balanced.

and still nobody can beat Tony Kendall

The fat tony Kendall or the one that works at corals?

Lol.

What a crock of shit that was.

But it's inspired me, I plan to have a go at being a pro punter, see I can get me a new table.

And a load of doors :D


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on July 20, 2015, 11:06:46 PM
But, hold on, I wanted £50 on this fella to be MOTM at 18-1. What do you mean I can only have £27.22? I have DIY plans ffs.

Biggest farce was the Coral Novelty odds compiler pretending he does it full time and takes thousands on Strictly.

When, in reality, they go up first with Big Brother eviction markets every week (guesses obv) and pull the market after someone has a tenner on.

Get Louis Theroux in there, not someone who's happy to let Simon Clare prance around talking utter roffles. That was like an hour-long advert for Coral.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Omm on July 20, 2015, 11:14:01 PM
So your daughter is sitting there telling you she would rather not go to a shop and work where she has been threatened, abused and had chairs thrown at her. You ignore that, smile and ask her if she wants to go. Proper company man that.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The_nun on July 20, 2015, 11:16:26 PM
So your daughter is sitting there telling you she would rather not go to a shop and work where she has been threatened, abused and had chairs thrown at her. You ignore that, smile and ask her if she wants to go. Proper company man that.
Lol.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on July 20, 2015, 11:19:05 PM
So your daughter is sitting there telling you she would rather not go to a shop and work where she has been threatened, abused and had chairs thrown at her. You ignore that, smile and ask her if she wants to go. Proper company man that.

No surprise at all.

I joined Coral from school, first at Head Office, then as a shop manager. After a six-week settling course, they sent two of us, me and an Irish guy who lived out Cambridge way, to a shop in Luton that had been shut for about a month after two robberies in the space of a week.

Amazing scenes looking back.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: celtic on July 20, 2015, 11:41:12 PM
So your daughter is sitting there telling you she would rather not go to a shop and work where she has been threatened, abused and had chairs thrown at her. You ignore that, smile and ask her if she wants to go. Proper company man that.

Rightly so.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The Camel on July 21, 2015, 12:02:28 AM
Actually wasn't nearly as bad as I expected.

Winners get banned.

They don't even try to stop addicts pissing their money away in FOBTs.

They are the two main messages from the programme.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Jamier-Host on July 21, 2015, 12:44:53 AM
I thought it was less hammy than expected too. Didn't shy away from the unemployed simpleton doing his case money, or a few moments of abuse/violence aimed at staff.

My first job out of school was at Coral to save up for Uni, and continued it throughout until it was more profitable to sit at home playing poker. I even did one of the last ever residential settling courses. The FOBTs were only just coming in as I was phasing out so it's a different world these days i'm sure. However the part i'm sure won't come up is the pressure on staff to work long hours and cover solo in some shops, despite the risks. You could end up doing silly hours in my time when only night racing kept the shops open, but now most of them are open 12/13 hours a day it must be awful. I guarantee people are being effectively forced to do opening to closing or working long stretches without a day off.

Oh, and can't help quoting this from earlier. We could have bought ourselves a new bathroom if we'd got on :)

100-1 they show anyone having a bet knocked back.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: McGlashan on July 21, 2015, 01:02:25 AM
It's nice to see Tony's professional courtesy when it comes to wiping down FOBT's and keeping his shop clean. Seeing messy piles of coupons or expired coupons on shop counters really tilts me.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Ironside on July 21, 2015, 08:23:57 AM
I thought program wasn't too bad
Love how the did say we don't want regular winning punters
And how they showed accounts being closed for winning a table


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Tal on July 21, 2015, 09:06:01 AM
Is it true the Strictly odds compiler admitted he didn't know what he was doing?

I hope he hasn't lost too much confidence for this year. Be a shame, otherwise, as we had some fun on TfT last year.

(http://i2.cdnds.net/14/46/618x424/scd-uktv-151114-judy.jpg)

(http://i2.cdnds.net/14/51/618x418/uktv-strictly-final-simon-webbe-3.jpg)


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: scotty2hatty on July 21, 2015, 10:23:45 AM
Should have came to my shop rather than t'one in Hudds. Some guy shit himself in the toilets the other day and came out with his half white/half brown y-fronts in his hand. Now that would have been TV!


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on July 21, 2015, 12:04:26 PM
Enjoyed it to be fair.

Was surprised they showed people not being able to get on.

I deffo would put a bet on with those 2 lovely ladies serving.  I get to put up with 2 blokes in their 40's at my local.  Life ain't fair!

Was glad that lad didn't spunk his shoe money....half expected him to bail on the shoes and turn round straight into Paddy Power.

Would have been good to see a proper pro set up at home, doing their magic on Betfair though.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 21, 2015, 12:15:44 PM
Enjoyed it to be fair.

Was surprised they showed people not being able to get on.

I deffo would put a bet on with those 2 lovely ladies serving.  I get to put up with 2 blokes in their 40's at my local.  Life ain't fair!

Was glad that lad didn't spunk his shoe money....half expected him to bail on the shoes and turn round straight into Paddy Power.

Would have been good to see a proper pro set up at home, doing their magic on Betfair though.

Don't think there will be much mention of betfair on an effectively coral sponsored show.  Surprised the bbc are effectively giving them a free advert on the bbc for 3 weeks.  Obviously the account closing email the 'winner' got wasn't a coral account but VC.

You can come round and watch me watching loose women and countdown any afternoon you want on betfair.  You will be bored shitless after an hour and go home i reckon.  Nothing exciting about it!

Shame the shrewdie didn't show us the bets he had to win his kitchen and bathroom.  Good show overall though better than i thought it would be.  Pretty realistic and hard hitting in places, esp the abuse shop staff take.  I wasn't expecting it to be that honest tbh.

Love how results orientated the betting shop manager was regarding profits in one shop and the other shop losing.  Both could easily be long term winning shops ev wise.  The guy just summed up a typical clueless betting shop manager when it comes to making long term profits.  Have a couple of winning bets and you get sent on your way types.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The_nun on July 21, 2015, 12:23:30 PM
Should have came to my shop rather than t'one in Hudds. Some guy shit himself in the toilets the other day and came out with his half white/half brown y-fronts in his hand. Now that would have been TV!

Wonder if it's the same one that does it in Hudds?


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The_nun on July 21, 2015, 12:25:02 PM
Enjoyed it to be fair.

Was surprised they showed people not being able to get on.

I deffo would put a bet on with those 2 lovely ladies serving.  I get to put up with 2 blokes in their 40's at my local.  Life ain't fair!

Was glad that lad didn't spunk his shoe money....half expected him to bail on the shoes and turn round straight into Paddy Power.

Would have been good to see a proper pro set up at home, doing their magic on Betfair though.

Only one of them remain they had to part company and no not for anything relating to money.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: tikay on July 21, 2015, 12:38:11 PM
Enjoyed it to be fair.

Was surprised they showed people not being able to get on.

I deffo would put a bet on with those 2 lovely ladies serving.  I get to put up with 2 blokes in their 40's at my local.  Life ain't fair!

Was glad that lad didn't spunk his shoe money....half expected him to bail on the shoes and turn round straight into Paddy Power.

Would have been good to see a proper pro set up at home, doing their magic on Betfair though.

Don't think there will be much mention of betfair on an effectively coral sponsored show.  Surprised the bbc are effectively giving them a free advert on the bbc for 3 weeks.  Obviously the account closing email the 'winner' got wasn't a coral account but VC.

You can come round and watch me watching loose women and countdown any afternoon you want on betfair.  You will be bored shitless after an hour and go home i reckon.  Nothing exciting about it!

Shame the shrewdie didn't show us the bets he had to win his kitchen and bathroom.  Good show overall though better than i thought it would be.  Pretty realistic and hard hitting in places, esp the abuse shop staff take.  I wasn't expecting it to be that honest tbh.

Love how results orientated the betting shop manager was regarding profits in one shop and the other shop losing.  Both could easily be long term winning shops ev wise.  The guy just summed up a typical clueless betting shop manager when it comes to making long term profits.  Have a couple of winning bets and you get sent on your way types.

Yes, that is a little odd, the BBC have done several along the same lines, for Ryanair, EasyJet, British Airways (note how fixated we are by air travel) & others.  They are made by "Independent" Production Companies & sold to the BBC.  Plenty of room for jiggery pokery there, though if the BBC said "the public love these Shows" that'd be reasonable too.

I'd like to see one set in a Tesco or a Sainsburys.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: AndrewT on July 21, 2015, 01:07:06 PM
These types of shows are pretty standard fayre on TV now - as Tony Kendall (not that one) stated above. There was a Dominos one on Channel 4 a few weeks ago and Sky had one on Greggs.

Given the gambling aspect, the BBC were never going to show an hour long advert for the industry, there would always be the negative aspect shown. I dare say Coral knew that full well, but they'd still be massively up in PR terms as a result of the programme.

Though I'd imagine that the BBC will get some stick for showing a programme where a guy who appears to be simple is encouraged to play roulette on the FOBT then followed around the town doing likewise at other shops.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Knottikay on July 21, 2015, 01:29:00 PM

I actually enjoyed the show. Looking forward to the next two now. Real shows showing real folk are much better than those 'scripted' reality shows IMO.

What does FOBT mean please?


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on July 21, 2015, 01:30:15 PM

I actually enjoyed the show. Looking forward to the next two now. Real shows showing real folk are much better than those 'scripted' reality shows IMO.

What does FOBT mean please?

Fixed Odds Betting Terminal.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Knottikay on July 21, 2015, 01:35:02 PM

I actually enjoyed the show. Looking forward to the next two now. Real shows showing real folk are much better than those 'scripted' reality shows IMO.

What does FOBT mean please?

Fixed Odds Betting Terminal.

Thank you. I dont go into bookies much nowadays and I would never play them anyway. I live in a small town where unfortunately the High Street is amass of bookies and charity shops. I don't often see either of these two types of businesses closing down....unlike retail shops. 


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on July 21, 2015, 01:35:14 PM
Enjoyed it to be fair.

Was surprised they showed people not being able to get on.


They showed one lolpro not being able to get on, and it wasn't with Coral. And he was also able to get more than the few pence most of us have to endure, despite winning as much as "£10,000 this year so far, wiiiiiiiiii". These tables don't pay for themselves.

Simon Clare got a bashing on Channel 4 a while back when he was insistent that's it rare for punters not to be able to get on. That was way more interesting than last night's jobbie.


I actually enjoyed the show. Looking forward to the next two now. Real shows showing real folk are much better than those 'scripted' reality shows IMO.

What does FOBT mean please?

Fixed Odds Betting Terminal.

Thank you. I dont go into bookies much nowadays and I would never play them anyway. I live in a small town where unfortunately the High Street is amass of bookies and charity shops. I don't often see either of these two types of businesses closing down....unlike retail shops. 

They touched on that briefly last night. There are so many betting shops now because they can only have four FOBTs per shop. St Neots now has three shops, recently down from four. For years it had one Ladbrokes and a small independent, which struggled.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 21, 2015, 01:37:32 PM
Enjoyed it to be fair.

Was surprised they showed people not being able to get on.


They showed one lolpro not being able to get on, and it wasn't with Coral. And he was also able to get more than the few pence most of us have to endure, despite winning as much as "£10,000 this year so far, wiiiiiiiiii". These tables don't pay for themselves.

Simon Clare got a bashing on Channel 4 a while back when he was insistent that's it rare for punters not to be able to get on. That was way more interesting than last night's jobbie.

The thing is he could get on.  That paddy account for the motm market he was on would have highly likely been set up for liab of a monkey for a clean account.  Which is what he got offered circa £27 at 18/1.  So his paddy account was effectively still clean and he was still moaning.  Comical mug.  Screen shot of his betfair P+L would have been better viewing for the past three months to see how he had really paid for his bathroom and kitchen. 

My mum texted me during the show last night and said 'why don't you do what this guy does and get a job and just do your betfair in the evenings like he does'.  I was like 'fuck me this show is giving mum ammo even after all these years to tell me to get a job again'!


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on July 21, 2015, 01:40:29 PM
^ :)


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The Camel on July 21, 2015, 01:43:47 PM
Enjoyed it to be fair.

Was surprised they showed people not being able to get on.


They showed one lolpro not being able to get on, and it wasn't with Coral. And he was also able to get more than the few pence most of us have to endure, despite winning as much as "£10,000 this year so far, wiiiiiiiiii". These tables don't pay for themselves.

Simon Clare got a bashing on Channel 4 a while back when he was insistent that's it rare for punters not to be able to get on. That was way more interesting than last night's jobbie.


I actually enjoyed the show. Looking forward to the next two now. Real shows showing real folk are much better than those 'scripted' reality shows IMO.

What does FOBT mean please?

Fixed Odds Betting Terminal.

Thank you. I dont go into bookies much nowadays and I would never play them anyway. I live in a small town where unfortunately the High Street is amass of bookies and charity shops. I don't often see either of these two types of businesses closing down....unlike retail shops. 

They touched on that briefly last night. There are so many betting shops now because they can only have four FOBTs per shop. St Neots now has three shops, recently down from four. For years it had one Ladbrokes and a small independent, which struggled.

When I moved to Darlington about 10 years ago, there were 3 betting shops in the town centre. One Ladbrokes, One Hills and one Reuben Page.

Now: 2 x Ladbrokes, 3 x Hills, 2 x Coral (they opened a new shop, and about a month later took over the Pagebet shop) and 2 x Betfred.

That is a quite astounding growth when many businesses in Darlo have closed down and there are plenty of empty shops around now.

(There are 4 Greggs though. Be surprised if any other town has such a high proportion of Greggs per capita!)


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The Camel on July 21, 2015, 01:44:53 PM
Enjoyed it to be fair.

Was surprised they showed people not being able to get on.


They showed one lolpro not being able to get on, and it wasn't with Coral. And he was also able to get more than the few pence most of us have to endure, despite winning as much as "£10,000 this year so far, wiiiiiiiiii". These tables don't pay for themselves.

Simon Clare got a bashing on Channel 4 a while back when he was insistent that's it rare for punters not to be able to get on. That was way more interesting than last night's jobbie.

The thing is he could get on.  That paddy account for the motm market he was on would have highly likely been set up for liab of a monkey for a clean account.  Which is what he got offered circa £27 at 18/1.  So his paddy account was effectively still clean and he was still moaning.  Comical mug.  Screen shot of his betfair P+L would have been better viewing for the past three months to see how he had really paid for his bathroom and kitchen. 

My mum texted me during the show last night and said 'why don't you do what this guy does and get a job and just do your betfair in the evenings like he does'.  I was like 'fuck me this show is giving mum ammo even after all these years to tell me to get a job again'!

LOLZ had almost exactly the same conversation with my mother apart from adding "I hope you don't frequent those horrible shops with all those nasty people inside"


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on July 21, 2015, 01:58:41 PM
I guess the lolpro ain't that great then if..

a) He can still get £27 on that particular market
b) He still has a day job.

Felt a bit sorry for the poor lad who had empty cupboards, and could then only fill it with Asda Smartprice crap.

Just thinking about it, am surprised at how many bookies are around these days, I mean, what extra can they offer that the internet can't?

And it's a hassle and a potential cost to go into town to the bookies.

Would never make a journey specifically to go to the bookies anymore.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 21, 2015, 02:05:41 PM
I guess the lolpro ain't that great then if..

a) He can still get £27 on that particular market
b) He still has a day job.

Felt a bit sorry for the poor lad who had empty cupboards, and could then only fill it with Asda Smartprice crap.

Just thinking about it, am surprised at how many bookies are around these days, I mean, what extra can they offer that the internet can't?

And it's a hassle and a potential cost to go into town to the bookies.

Would never make a journey specifically to go to the bookies anymore.

I think people forget there are still millions of people in this country who don't have a bank account for various reasons.  These people are probably more likely to gamble than anyone as they come from poor backgrounds, are illegally in the country, working illegally etc etc.  Betting shops in built up areas imo are servicing these types of clients more and more because, like you say, why would anyone with a bank account want to bet day in day out in a betting shop nowadays?  You can't get on, you can watch the racing/sport at home etc etc.  You don't have to listen to fobt's making tilting noises all day and sitting next to a guy who stinks of piss in the shop.

In my local town virtually every punter in the shop 10 years ago who bet to any decent level never goes in any more because they can bet online now and/or they are barred for breaking even or winning over a decent sample. They are left with the £2 punters and the roulette junkies.  


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: BorntoBubble on July 21, 2015, 02:08:02 PM
This guy withdrew his money from a bank though.

More than likely the issue is he wont have a PC/ may not have a smartphone.

He also has nothing else to do apart from wander around town and then gets tempted in by winning a fiver and then moving onto the next shop.

The other lot on the FOBT's are the cash in hand types. Restaurant owners, lads getting paid cash etc. They are much more likely to go and try and spin up in shops rather than do it out of bank accounts.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 21, 2015, 02:14:40 PM
This guy withdrew his money from a bank though.

More than likely the issue is he wont have a PC/ may not have a smartphone.

He also has nothing else to do apart from wander around town and then gets tempted in by winning a fiver and then moving onto the next shop.

The other lot on the FOBT's are the cash in hand types. Restaurant owners, lads getting paid cash etc. They are much more likely to go and try and spin up in shops rather than do it out of bank accounts.

Yes he did have a bank card but that doesn't mean he has a bank account that you can use as a debit card and bet online.  Millions of ex bankrupt's/iva people/potless dole boys/bad credit rating types have what martin lewis calls 'basic bank accounts' where you can have a basic cash card and bank accoutn which only lets ur wages/benefits get paid in and you have no o/d facility/chequebook/visa debit facilities.  Your only option is to withdraw cash via atm.  These are the types betting shops cater for nowadays as otherwise you could just go online and bet with better offers/promos etc that you don't get in shops.  OBviously the old guys love the community feel of the betting shop but the fobt culture is slowly killing that as the old boys slowly die off at the same time.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: tikay on July 21, 2015, 02:16:53 PM
This guy withdrew his money from a bank though.

More than likely the issue is he wont have a PC/ may not have a smartphone.

He also has nothing else to do apart from wander around town and then gets tempted in by winning a fiver and then moving onto the next shop.

The other lot on the FOBT's are the cash in hand types. Restaurant owners, lads getting paid cash etc. They are much more likely to go and try and spin up in shops rather than do it out of bank accounts.

Yes he did have a bank card but that doesn't mean he has a bank account that you can use as a debit card and bet online.  Millions of ex bankrupt's/iva people/potless dole boys/bad credit rating types have what martin lewis calls 'basic bank accounts' where you can have a basic cash card and bank accoutn which only lets ur wages/benefits get paid in and you have no o/d facility/chequebook/visa debit facilities.  Your only option is to withdraw cash via atm.  These are the types betting shops cater for nowadays as otherwise you could just go online and bet with better offers/promos etc that you don't get in shops.  OBviously the old guys love the community feel of the betting shop but the fobt culture is slowly killing that as the old boys slowly die off at the same time.

What?

"Old boys die off"?

Why was I not made aware of this?


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 21, 2015, 02:19:45 PM
This guy withdrew his money from a bank though.

More than likely the issue is he wont have a PC/ may not have a smartphone.

He also has nothing else to do apart from wander around town and then gets tempted in by winning a fiver and then moving onto the next shop.

The other lot on the FOBT's are the cash in hand types. Restaurant owners, lads getting paid cash etc. They are much more likely to go and try and spin up in shops rather than do it out of bank accounts.

Yes he did have a bank card but that doesn't mean he has a bank account that you can use as a debit card and bet online.  Millions of ex bankrupt's/iva people/potless dole boys/bad credit rating types have what martin lewis calls 'basic bank accounts' where you can have a basic cash card and bank accoutn which only lets ur wages/benefits get paid in and you have no o/d facility/chequebook/visa debit facilities.  Your only option is to withdraw cash via atm.  These are the types betting shops cater for nowadays as otherwise you could just go online and bet with better offers/promos etc that you don't get in shops.  OBviously the old guys love the community feel of the betting shop but the fobt culture is slowly killing that as the old boys slowly die off at the same time.

What?

"Old boys die off"?

Why was I not made aware of this?


You down with the kidzzzzzzzzzzz doesn't apply to you.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: OHCARRION on July 21, 2015, 02:21:25 PM
Good god the store manager is a knob.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: BorntoBubble on July 21, 2015, 02:26:33 PM
This guy withdrew his money from a bank though.

More than likely the issue is he wont have a PC/ may not have a smartphone.

He also has nothing else to do apart from wander around town and then gets tempted in by winning a fiver and then moving onto the next shop.

The other lot on the FOBT's are the cash in hand types. Restaurant owners, lads getting paid cash etc. They are much more likely to go and try and spin up in shops rather than do it out of bank accounts.

Yes he did have a bank card but that doesn't mean he has a bank account that you can use as a debit card and bet online.  Millions of ex bankrupt's/iva people/potless dole boys/bad credit rating types have what martin lewis calls 'basic bank accounts' where you can have a basic cash card and bank accoutn which only lets ur wages/benefits get paid in and you have no o/d facility/chequebook/visa debit facilities.  Your only option is to withdraw cash via atm.  These are the types betting shops cater for nowadays as otherwise you could just go online and bet with better offers/promos etc that you don't get in shops.  OBviously the old guys love the community feel of the betting shop but the fobt culture is slowly killing that as the old boys slowly die off at the same time.

What?

"Old boys die off"?

Why was I not made aware of this?


Gotcha, fair point!

I still also think there is a feel thing for cash and betting in a shop where he can take in £50 and walk out with £55 and go and buy himself a pint.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 21, 2015, 02:31:07 PM
I miss the old betting shop days when you could go in and expect there to be several punters who were reasonably clued up for a discussion on things amongst the many jokers in there.  The odd time i pop into a shop now the places look very depressing and usually very little conversation between the punters.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The Camel on July 21, 2015, 05:52:24 PM
I miss the old betting shop days when you could go in and expect there to be several punters who were reasonably clued up for a discussion on things amongst the many jokers in there.  The odd time i pop into a shop now the places look very depressing and usually very little conversation between the punters.

Me too.

Used to go into a Ladbrokes in Bracknell. There was a real community feel. Everyone knew everyone else.

There were experts, enthusiasts and novices. £100 a race punters and 5p yankee merchants. But we all had a laugh together.

Two quid match bets in horse races, odd against evens in the BAGS races for fivers.

Pat the manager used to give us back prices and a cup of tea.

And if anyone copped a nice win, they went down the cake shop for cream doughnuts all round.

Halcyon days.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Jamier-Host on July 21, 2015, 06:08:47 PM
I think i have a rose tinted memory of the bookies when i worked there (must have been 1999-2000 i think when i did it full time).

Looking back it was the perfect job as I could watch any live sport going, work pretty much as many hours as i wanted in the summer, and generally doss about chatting to the punters while taking the odd flurry of bets every 5 minutes. I worked in High Wycombe where there were half a dozen shops and a decent range of staff rotating between them so you'd have some interesting conversation between your colleagues and the customers.

Obviously you tend to forget about being verbally abused, having pens/balled up slips thrown at you, and having to tackle the awkward moments when things stepped up to physical violence, even if it was only directed at equipment or other customers rather than you. Oh and the places got robbed pretty regularly, usually at gun or knife point.

I still thought it was great though :)


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: celtic on July 21, 2015, 07:02:20 PM
Interesting to see the reaction of the pro punters v the non pro.

Think the pros have missed the point on what the show is about.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: tikay on July 21, 2015, 08:06:10 PM
Interesting to see the reaction of the pro punters v the non pro.

Think the pros have missed the point on what the show is about.

Disagree.

I have not missed the point at all.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on July 21, 2015, 08:30:03 PM
When is episode 2 and 3?


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Marky147 on July 21, 2015, 08:46:18 PM
Interesting to see the reaction of the pro punters v the non pro.

Think the pros have missed the point on what the show is about.

Disagree.

I have not missed the point at all.

;D


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: MattyHollis on July 21, 2015, 09:12:38 PM
Enjoyed it to be fair.

Was surprised they showed people not being able to get on.


They showed one lolpro not being able to get on, and it wasn't with Coral. And he was also able to get more than the few pence most of us have to endure, despite winning as much as "£10,000 this year so far, wiiiiiiiiii". These tables don't pay for themselves.

Simon Clare got a bashing on Channel 4 a while back when he was insistent that's it rare for punters not to be able to get on. That was way more interesting than last night's jobbie.

The thing is he could get on.  That paddy account for the motm market he was on would have highly likely been set up for liab of a monkey for a clean account.  Which is what he got offered circa £27 at 18/1.  So his paddy account was effectively still clean and he was still moaning.  Comical mug.  Screen shot of his betfair P+L would have been better viewing for the past three months to see how he had really paid for his bathroom and kitchen. 

My mum texted me during the show last night and said 'why don't you do what this guy does and get a job and just do your betfair in the evenings like he does'.  I was like 'fuck me this show is giving mum ammo even after all these years to tell me to get a job again'!

LOL'd at this.

I think I enjoyed the show - although I didn't love it but I will watch it again next week.

It made me want to drive to the bookies in Hudds though - 30 neighbours hit every spin that lad was punting on!!! :D :D


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: celtic on July 21, 2015, 09:40:37 PM
Interesting to see the reaction of the pro punters v the non pro.

Think the pros have missed the point on what the show is about.

Disagree.

I have not missed the point at all.

:)


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on July 27, 2015, 02:23:04 PM
Episoide II 9pm tonight


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 27, 2015, 03:05:54 PM
Steve Palmer on tonight's show billed as a pro punter even though i always assumed he was a RP journo for the sports section who probably got his bets on in full because a) he is a long term loser or b) he doesn't get the chance to slag off restrictions in the post in his columns if he is accommodated by the firms.  Maybe Chomps can confirm. I always thought his sunday column was a piss take of his week's punting and no pro punter would ever bet like him according to his column.   I have read many of his column's and thought 'god i would love to lay this guy's business' but i always just assumed the amounts (quite big for an RP journo) and bets themselves were just a piss take and made up for entertainment.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on July 27, 2015, 03:10:47 PM
Steve Palmer on tonight's show billed as a pro punter even though i always assumed he was a RP journo for the sports section who probably got his bets on in full because a) he is a long term loser or b) he doesn't get the chance to slag off restrictions in the post in his columns if he is accommodated by the firms.  Maybe Chomps can confirm. I always thought his sunday column was a piss take of his week's punting and no pro punter would ever bet like him according to his column. 

Don't know Steve Palmer personally, but hasn't he said in his column before that he's usually about skinto?

In that case it feels like another misuse of the term 'pro punter'. Pro punters buy new doors and tables with their profit - FACT.

Looking forward to this tonight.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 27, 2015, 03:30:07 PM
Maybe the real pro punter Tony Kendall from TFT should appear on a 4th show and talk about his 5% roi over a big sample and how easy the game is!


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Horneris on July 27, 2015, 03:32:33 PM
Steve isn't a pro punter, hes a journalist who has been on a life long mission to spin upto an amount he can retire on and become a pro punter.

The amounts and bets in the RP column are all true, he loves punting and his gambling problem in that he wants to bet on everything makes him a losing long term punter. Many of us can empathise with this.

Very entertaining guy, his book is well worth a read, looking forward to tonights show.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 27, 2015, 03:38:27 PM
Steve isn't a pro punter, hes a journalist who has been on a life long mission to spin upto an amount he can retire on and become a pro punter.

The amounts and bets in the RP column are all true, he loves punting and his gambling problem in that he wants to bet on everything makes him a losing long term punter. Many of us can empathise with this.

Very entertaining guy, his book is well worth a read, looking forward to tonights show.

That was always my impression of him.  Thanks for confirming.  The only reason i got confused was in today's RPost they have run an article previewing the show and called Palmer a 'pro punter' even though he works for the same publication.  Seems rather odd!


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: BigAdz on July 27, 2015, 03:59:45 PM
Steve Palmer on tonight's show billed as a pro punter even though i always assumed he was a RP journo for the sports section who probably got his bets on in full because a) he is a long term loser or b) he doesn't get the chance to slag off restrictions in the post in his columns if he is accommodated by the firms.  Maybe Chomps can confirm. I always thought his sunday column was a piss take of his week's punting and no pro punter would ever bet like him according to his column. 

Don't know Steve Palmer personally, but hasn't he said in his column before that he's usually about skinto?

In that case it feels like another misuse of the term 'pro punter'. Pro punters buy new doors and tables with their profit - FACT.

Looking forward to this tonight.


Only just seen the full episode.

That was fantastic, wasn't it, when they panned in to a bland table and sideboard, as he boasted he had bought them with his winnings. I thought they would then do an "Office" type pan to a new sports car or suchlike, but no, the table and sideboard were it.......magic tv.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The Camel on July 27, 2015, 04:42:49 PM
Steve isn't a pro punter, hes a journalist who has been on a life long mission to spin upto an amount he can retire on and become a pro punter.

The amounts and bets in the RP column are all true, he loves punting and his gambling problem in that he wants to bet on everything makes him a losing long term punter. Many of us can empathise with this.

Very entertaining guy, his book is well worth a read, looking forward to tonights show.

That was always my impression of him.  Thanks for confirming.  The only reason i got confused was in today's RPost they have run an article previewing the show and called Palmer a 'pro punter' even though he works for the same publication.  Seems rather odd!

I wouldn't want to lay his golf business.

Any other sports? Yes, please.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 27, 2015, 05:11:58 PM
Steve isn't a pro punter, hes a journalist who has been on a life long mission to spin upto an amount he can retire on and become a pro punter.

The amounts and bets in the RP column are all true, he loves punting and his gambling problem in that he wants to bet on everything makes him a losing long term punter. Many of us can empathise with this.

Very entertaining guy, his book is well worth a read, looking forward to tonights show.

That was always my impression of him.  Thanks for confirming.  The only reason i got confused was in today's RPost they have run an article previewing the show and called Palmer a 'pro punter' even though he works for the same publication.  Seems rather odd!

I wouldn't want to lay his golf business.

Any other sports? Yes, please.

Does he ever show annual P+L figures for his racing post selections in the paper?   If they win long term (ala Pullien) they like to brag how good they are year in year out.  If they never publish long term results then i just assume all tipsters the RP have to their published selections are losers.  They love bragging how Pullien has shown a 'paper' profit for 18 straight years on his selections.  No other tipster ever has this data published for obvious reasons.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: muckthenuts on July 27, 2015, 10:23:22 PM
Watching that degen go from shop to shop was so, so painful. Guessing he got offered some cash to appear on the show and in his state couldn't turn it down. Fingers crossed someone he knows sees the show and helps him turn it around, which in turn probably would make him one of the few lucky ones.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Tal on July 27, 2015, 10:25:59 PM
Is the industry in such trouble because so many of the traders and tipsters can't watch a race without having a bet and will bet on the name of the horse alone? Are they doing over the punters to cover their own exposure on the 3:45 at Ludlow?

Is episode three at Star Lizard for balance?


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Omm on July 27, 2015, 10:32:19 PM
I didn't think on course bookies would take £1 or £2 bets? (From flat cap man and his bird)


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: MattyHollis on July 27, 2015, 10:32:50 PM
WHAT ARE YOU DOING GIVING THE SCUM £40 TIP WTF


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: FUN4FRASER on July 27, 2015, 10:33:47 PM
Steve Palmer an absolute Degen legend......

At the hospital with his wife at the 14 week scan of their baby. Producing a picture of the baby on the screen , the wife all gushing and lovey dovey and hes pricing up the odds on a boy or a girl  Classic   :)


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Omm on July 27, 2015, 10:34:41 PM
Was MVG ever 4/1 for the worlds? This Steve guy is deluded.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: FUN4FRASER on July 27, 2015, 10:34:46 PM
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Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: FUN4FRASER on July 27, 2015, 10:38:48 PM
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Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Tal on July 27, 2015, 10:39:36 PM
I didn't think on course bookies would take £1 or £2 bets? (From flat cap man and his bird)

Most will.

Apparently...

Oh and this!

WHAT ARE YOU DOING GIVING THE SCUM £40 TIP WTF

Haggled the price up and then donates it back.

Get flat cap man on Tips for Tikay. He'll fit right in with his staking plan.  Fair play to him, though. His bankroll management is far better than the "pro with a day job".

Enjoyed this show. Will catch up on the first episode.  


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Doobs on July 27, 2015, 10:41:53 PM
I didn't think on course bookies would take £1 or £2 bets? (From flat cap man and his bird)

Most will.

Apparently...

Oh and this!

WHAT ARE YOU DOING GIVING THE SCUM £40 TIP WTF

Haggled the price up and then donates it back.

Get flat cap man on Tips for Tikay. He'll fit right in with his staking plan.  Fair play to him, though. His bankroll management is far better than the "pro with a day job".

Enjoyed this show. Will catch up on the first episode.  

Enjoyed it too. £2 guy can GTFO though.  Chancer pretending he is a pro and producers fell for it.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Tal on July 27, 2015, 10:42:18 PM
Was MVG ever 4/1 for the worlds? This Steve guy is deluded.

Must have backed him on betfair, as he said the return was £5,100 for a grand. Must have been a while before December though.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: horseplayer on July 27, 2015, 10:42:22 PM
Andy was a lovely bloke and spoke a lot of sense for a small staking casual punter

Steve palmer is exactly as he writes came across well

The coral horse trader who backs horses named after his kid was the highlight for me


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: MattyHollis on July 27, 2015, 10:42:42 PM
The flat cap man effectively went through the card finding 2 x 20/1 shots in the process and walked home with £40 profit. I'd rather not bet!


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: MattyHollis on July 27, 2015, 10:43:49 PM
Andy was a lovely bloke and spoke a lot of sense for a small staking casual punter

Steve palmer is exactly as he writes came across well

The coral horse trader who backs horses named after his kid was the highlight for me


I did pmsl at that too. A bookies dream trading for a bookie.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The Camel on July 27, 2015, 10:47:13 PM
WHAT ARE YOU DOING GIVING THE SCUM £40 TIP WTF

On course bookies are definitely not scum on the whole.

Just trying to make a living, don't turn down a bet. The second oldest profession.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on July 27, 2015, 10:50:04 PM
Good watch but ultimately an utter pile of horseshit.

The Coral loltraders stuff was hilarious. "What price we going Elm Park? 7/4? I'm happy to go 2/1."

Whole scene obv staged. In reality James Knight, their main man, who's supposedly shrewd, would be sitting in front of a screen looking at oddschecker and betfair, and going the same price as everyone else.

"We good to take £5000 at 2-1?"

"Hold on, let me see if he's 3.05 or bigger on the machine. Nope, he's 2.98, tell him he can have £50."

I couldn't remember the result of the Code Red race offhand, as it was last autumn, but had the feeling 'Code' would be winning, probably at the main expense of the 'booooo' favourite Portamento. So tilting.

Flatcap man was probably the shrewdest cookie on display.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: MattyHollis on July 27, 2015, 10:50:38 PM
WHAT ARE YOU DOING GIVING THE SCUM £40 TIP WTF

On course bookies are definitely not scum on the whole.

Just trying to make a living, don't turn down a bet. The second oldest profession.

Yeah I wouldn't turn down a bet either if I could have it arbed on betfair 13 seconds later.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: horseplayer on July 27, 2015, 10:51:29 PM
It is not really aimed at professional/ take it seriously punters tbf

Compared to what it could  be think it has been good so far


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: FUN4FRASER on July 27, 2015, 11:00:52 PM
Steve Palmer whilst entertaining seemed to have a lot tendencies you would associate with an average Joe punter ,betting random dogs and seemingly adopting little process or methodology with his selections . Based on what we saw in the programme I can understand his wife's concerns about him losing his bank roll.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The Camel on July 27, 2015, 11:05:48 PM
Steve Palmer whilst entertaining seemed to have a lot tendencies you would associate with an average Joe punter ,betting random dogs and seemingly adopting little process or methodology with his selections . Based on what we saw in the programme I can understand his wife's concerns about him losing his bank roll.

Divorce within 5 years is massive odds on I'm afraid.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: BigAdz on July 27, 2015, 11:06:12 PM
Andy was a lovely bloke and spoke a lot of sense for a small staking casual punter

Steve palmer is exactly as he writes came across well

The coral horse trader who backs horses named after his kid was the highlight for me


Enjoyed  the bit when Andy thought he had spotted an edge with the two Middleham runners, blissfully unaware of how many different syndicates run in their colours, and it paid off.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: horseplayer on July 27, 2015, 11:07:04 PM
Andy was a lovely bloke and spoke a lot of sense for a small staking casual punter

Steve palmer is exactly as he writes came across well

The coral horse trader who backs horses named after his kid was the highlight for me


Enjoyed  the bit when Andy thought he had spotted an edge with the two Middleham runners, blissfully unaware of how many different syndicates run in their colours, and it paid off.

Yep his system!

Looked like he was having more fun than anyone on the show


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: JohnCharver on July 27, 2015, 11:09:34 PM
major coups seemed to be punters banging birds way out of their league


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Doobs on July 27, 2015, 11:09:48 PM
It is not really aimed at professional/ take it seriously punters tbf

Compared to what it could  be think it has been good so far

Agree with this, thought it was very positive tonight.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The Camel on July 27, 2015, 11:11:33 PM
I didn't think on course bookies would take £1 or £2 bets? (From flat cap man and his bird)

Most will.

Apparently...

Oh and this!

WHAT ARE YOU DOING GIVING THE SCUM £40 TIP WTF

Haggled the price up and then donates it back.

Get flat cap man on Tips for Tikay. He'll fit right in with his staking plan.  Fair play to him, though. His bankroll management is far better than the "pro with a day job".

Enjoyed this show. Will catch up on the first episode.  

Enjoyed it too. £2 guy can GTFO though.  Chancer pretending he is a pro and producers fell for it.

Don't think he was pretending to be a pro.

Just loves the game.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: FUN4FRASER on July 27, 2015, 11:12:29 PM
major coups seemed to be punters banging birds way out of their league

HeHe ...Very Good  :)


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: MattyHollis on July 27, 2015, 11:15:18 PM
Steve came across like most of us/most people I know. If he stuck to his strengths he would no doubt make money. It's the leaks that get us :D


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: JohnCharver on July 27, 2015, 11:20:17 PM
Steve came across like most of us/most people I know. If he stuck to his strengths he would no doubt make money. It's the leaks that get us :D

Yeah, first major leak is telling the mother of his child hes dropped a G on the darts.

Code reds running tomorrow wondering if the coral lads are on. Grim put up scene, and the stats they were rattling out on profit etc didnt tally with later ones.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: MattyHollis on July 27, 2015, 11:21:11 PM
Steve came across like most of us/most people I know. If he stuck to his strengths he would no doubt make money. It's the leaks that get us :D

Yeah, first major leak is telling the mother of his child hes dropped a G on the darts.

Haha so true. Loved how he said i've opened a new bank account to try and be a better punter. More like to hide the wins/losses from her!


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: FUN4FRASER on July 27, 2015, 11:24:49 PM
Steve came across like most of us/most people I know. If he stuck to his strengths he would no doubt make money. It's the leaks that get us :D

Yeah, first major leak is telling the mother of his child hes dropped a G on the darts.

Code reds running tomorrow wondering if the coral lads are on. Grim put up scene, and the stats they were rattling out on profit etc didnt tally with later ones.

felt the same...it wasnt comfortable


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Doobs on July 28, 2015, 12:05:59 AM
Steve came across like most of us/most people I know. If he stuck to his strengths he would no doubt make money. It's the leaks that get us :D

Yeah, first major leak is telling the mother of his child hes dropped a G on the darts.

Code reds running tomorrow wondering if the coral lads are on. Grim put up scene, and the stats they were rattling out on profit etc didnt tally with later ones.

felt the same...it wasnt comfortable

Don't know, maybe that is the secret?  I think my missus thinks all the money just fell from the sky and involves no effort at all.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: horseplayer on July 28, 2015, 12:17:17 AM
Good watch but ultimately an utter pile of horseshit.

The Coral loltraders stuff was hilarious. "What price we going Elm Park? 7/4? I'm happy to go 2/1."

Whole scene obv staged. In reality James Knight, their main man, who's supposedly shrewd, would be sitting in front of a screen looking at oddschecker and betfair, and going the same price as everyone else.

"We good to take £5000 at 2-1?"

"Hold on, let me see if he's 3.05 or bigger on the machine. Nope, he's 2.98, tell him he can have £50."

I couldn't remember the result of the Code Red race offhand, as it was last autumn, but had the feeling 'Code' would be winning, probably at the main expense of the 'booooo' favourite Portamento. So tilting.

Flatcap man was probably the shrewdest cookie on display.

Not surprising new


The likely time they laid 2s elm park 365 and baldy were 3s apprantley


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: JohnCharver on July 28, 2015, 12:28:14 AM
Steve came across like most of us/most people I know. If he stuck to his strengths he would no doubt make money. It's the leaks that get us :D

Yeah, first major leak is telling the mother of his child hes dropped a G on the darts.

Code reds running tomorrow wondering if the coral lads are on. Grim put up scene, and the stats they were rattling out on profit etc didnt tally with later ones.

felt the same...it wasnt comfortable

Don't know, maybe that is the secret?  I think my missus thinks all the money just fell from the sky and involves no effort at all.

punters only tell you when they win, true gamblers tell their wife when they win.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 28, 2015, 12:32:51 AM
Proper pros in my experience tell everyone when they are losing and not when they are winning.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: atdc21 on July 28, 2015, 12:46:29 AM
£2 punter looked like norman wisdom lol.
Can singing 'this will not be beaten' on tv be good for your profesional image lol,


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Ironside on July 28, 2015, 12:50:12 AM
I didn't think on course bookies would take £1 or £2 bets? (From flat cap man and his bird)

Most will.

Apparently...

Oh and this!

WHAT ARE YOU DOING GIVING THE SCUM £40 TIP WTF

Haggled the price up and then donates it back.

Get flat cap man on Tips for Tikay. He'll fit right in with his staking plan.  Fair play to him, though. His bankroll management is far better than the "pro with a day job".

Enjoyed this show. Will catch up on the first episode. 

Enjoyed it too. £2 guy can GTFO though.  Chancer pretending he is a pro and producers fell for it.

Don't think he was pretending to be a pro.

Just loves the game.

yeah a pro would be out to make a profit he said early doors he just wanted to cover his expenses

i know the feeling of having £1 or 50p EW on a bet did some small ball bets recently and i enjoyed the bets
during the events just as much as when i was on the suicide run a cpl of years agon when i had £400+ on a tennis game
and the thrill of holding a winning ticket is nearly as good when its a £20 win and it is when its a £600 win

ITS A WIN wohooooo

liking the show so far looking forward to next week


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: baldock92 on July 28, 2015, 01:49:57 AM
£2 punter looked like norman wisdom lol.
Can singing 'this will not be beaten' on tv be good for your profesional image lol,

I was cringing at this part. Almost as much as the fella blowing his benefits money on the FOBT's last week.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 28, 2015, 02:01:21 AM
WHAT ARE YOU DOING GIVING THE SCUM £40 TIP WTF

On course bookies are definitely not scum on the whole.

Just trying to make a living, don't turn down a bet. The second oldest profession.

It did seem a bit odd to beg so hard to get 18/1 when his board said 16/1.  Get the extra £40 then just tip it back.  He might as well just took the 16/1 and not tip!  

Def agree with on course bookies image above.  Had 7 bets at uttox races between £400 and £1200 with the on course layers in members and tatts and every one 'under' on machine when the bet was struck (most didn't even look at the machine and just stuffed the cash in their hod).  All 7 took no questions asked/no knock backs/no 'half at sp bullshit'.  Paid out with a smile, few gags etc even though they were soaking wet and had all done their money all day long as numerous gambles were landed.  Service on course is 50 times better than you will get in any betting shop anywhere in the UK imo.  Imagine trying to get those bets on in a betting shop and the hassle involved.  It feels nice in 2015 to place a decent bet and not feel like a criminal when you ask for the bet like you are made to feel in virtually every betting shop and most online firms when you bet top price.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Marky147 on July 28, 2015, 02:12:19 AM
That Steve fella lives 10 minutes down the road from me, so it must be something in the water :D

He must be on a decent clip from the Post, if he's that much of a degen, and has a mrs/kid etc.

Cheers for the heads up on the book, Brent. Just ordered a copy from Amazon...


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 28, 2015, 02:28:57 AM
That Steve fella lives 10 minutes down the road from me, so it must be something in the water :D

He must be on a decent clip from the Post, if he's that much of a degen, and has a mrs/kid etc.

Cheers for the heads up on the book, Brent. Just ordered a copy from Amazon...

What you think he would be on a year?  £50k a year from the Holy Ghost?  I seriously have no idea.  He is a pretty senior writer for the sports section.  He obviously works from home by the looks of things.  Would be a tough commute daily to East London from Weymouth.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Marky147 on July 28, 2015, 02:48:52 AM
That Steve fella lives 10 minutes down the road from me, so it must be something in the water :D

He must be on a decent clip from the Post, if he's that much of a degen, and has a mrs/kid etc.

Cheers for the heads up on the book, Brent. Just ordered a copy from Amazon...

What you think he would be on a year?  £50k a year from the Holy Ghost?  I seriously have no idea.  He is a pretty senior writer for the sports section.  He obviously works from home by the looks of things.  Would be a tough commute daily to East London from Weymouth.

I haven't got a scooby, and would guess someone like Brent/Chompy are the ones likely to have an idea, if anyone.

Can't see him doing that everyday, even though it is a direct train, and under 3hours to Waterloo.

Probably just pops down when Brucie wants to hear about the pain, face to face.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on July 28, 2015, 02:50:37 AM
That Steve fella lives 10 minutes down the road from me, so it must be something in the water :D

He must be on a decent clip from the Post, if he's that much of a degen, and has a mrs/kid etc.

Cheers for the heads up on the book, Brent. Just ordered a copy from Amazon...

What you think he would be on a year?  £50k a year from the Holy Ghost?  I seriously have no idea.  He is a pretty senior writer for the sports section.  He obviously works from home by the looks of things.  Would be a tough commute daily to East London from Weymouth.

I haven't got a scooby, and would guess someone like Brent/Chompy are the ones likely to have an idea, if anyone.

Can't see him doing that everyday, even though it is a direct train, and under 3hours to Waterloo.

Probably just pops down when Brucie wants to hear about the pain, face to face.

Bruce looks a lot younger in his RP photos than he does IRL.  Fuck me he looked old in that video.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: BigAdz on July 28, 2015, 08:56:41 AM
That Steve fella lives 10 minutes down the road from me, so it must be something in the water :D

He must be on a decent clip from the Post, if he's that much of a degen, and has a mrs/kid etc.

Cheers for the heads up on the book, Brent. Just ordered a copy from Amazon...

Any books you want mate. Just ask. Just gathering dust here.

Pretty sure the book answers your questions.

Thin, I know, but having helped buy a second place with ill gotten gains, made watching him tell tales of spunking £75k of his house deposit money, a lot easier, when the wife is watching with you!

You can almost hear the cogs in her brain itching to start with the questions.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Marky147 on July 28, 2015, 10:04:49 AM
Instantly thought of you when he mentioned the golf double, and was wondering if it was the same one :D

Bruce looks a lot younger in his RP photos than he does IRL.  Fuck me he looked old in that video.

Haha, he looked like he'd been on the piss all night.



Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: BigAdz on July 28, 2015, 10:07:27 AM
Instantly thought of you when he mentioned the golf double, and was wondering if it was the same one :D

Bruce looks a lot younger in his RP photos than he does IRL.  Fuck me he looked old in that video.

Haha, he looked like he'd been on the piss all night.




Lol. I hope he's not been following me on the golf last few weeks, or he would be potless!


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Marky147 on July 28, 2015, 10:23:45 AM
Instantly thought of you when he mentioned the golf double, and was wondering if it was the same one :D


Lol. I hope he's not been following me on the golf last few weeks, or he would be potless!

:D

He's gone skint buying outfits to sweat all his punts in.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: JohnCharver on July 28, 2015, 10:28:51 AM
Proper pros in my experience tell everyone when they are losing and not when they are winning.

but they dont understand sarcasm


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on July 28, 2015, 10:42:21 AM
That Steve fella lives 10 minutes down the road from me, so it must be something in the water :D

He must be on a decent clip from the Post, if he's that much of a degen, and has a mrs/kid etc.

Cheers for the heads up on the book, Brent. Just ordered a copy from Amazon...

What you think he would be on a year?  £50k a year from the Holy Ghost?  I seriously have no idea.  He is a pretty senior writer for the sports section.  He obviously works from home by the looks of things.  Would be a tough commute daily to East London from Weymouth.

No idea on salary ££££ but he wouldn't commute daily. Most RP writers these days work from home, certainly all the Spotlighters.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: bigjay on July 28, 2015, 11:49:37 AM
Andy was a lovely bloke and spoke a lot of sense for a small staking casual punter

Steve palmer is exactly as he writes came across well

The coral horse trader who backs horses named after his kid was the highlight for me


Enjoyed  the bit when Andy thought he had spotted an edge with the two Middleham runners, blissfully unaware of how many different syndicates run in their colours, and it paid off.

He was the only one who was having fun ,free day out at the races with the Mrs , good for him

Yep his system!

Looked like he was having more fun than anyone on the show


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on August 03, 2015, 02:37:24 PM
Part III of BBC's latest sitcom offering runs tonight at 9pm.

More laughs that Citizen Khan (nap).


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on August 03, 2015, 02:41:36 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/global/2015/aug/02/betting-horses-gambling-bookmakers-accounts-closed?CMP=share_btn_tw


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on August 03, 2015, 03:04:53 PM
Good piece, and good on Craig Reid for being the only loltrader in the world to actually tell the truth.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: BorntoBubble on August 03, 2015, 03:19:46 PM
"I should point out that not all my bookmakers have turned away my bets. Ladbrokes and bet365 have invariably been willing to lay me a fair-size wager, but they are in the minority."

LOL


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: JohnCharver on August 03, 2015, 10:28:38 PM
"not here to make a profit out of peoples misery" sorry pet but thats exactly what you do.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Tal on August 03, 2015, 10:48:37 PM
"not here to make a profit out of peoples misery" sorry pet but thats exactly what you do.

That's not their actual business model, though. It's just an inevitable factor.

It's like saying McDonald's is making a profit out of people's laziness.

I thought it was a good programme, personally. We've seen the fun you can have when you exercise control and how bad it gets when you don't.  Either way, Simon Clare looks happy.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: RickBFA on August 03, 2015, 10:56:21 PM
Had to smile when they tried to say they don't concentrate shops in deprived areas.

Do they think people are blind?





Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: horseplayer on August 03, 2015, 10:56:59 PM
Claire really is an odious individual


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The Camel on August 03, 2015, 10:59:21 PM
Had to smile when they tried to say they don't concentrate shops in deprived areas.

Do they think people are blind?





Joe Coral once said something like this (I'm paraphrasing) "Show me the areas with the most poverty, the highest rates of unemployment and the most desperation and I'll show you my most profitable shops"


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: RickBFA on August 03, 2015, 11:08:05 PM
Had to smile when they tried to say they don't concentrate shops in deprived areas.

Do they think people are blind?





Joe Coral once said something like this (I'm paraphrasing) "Show me the areas with the most poverty, the highest rates of unemployment and the most desperation and I'll show you my most profitable shops"

They are very clever at trying to justify it too.

Then you see that kid blowing £2,000 on the FOBT.

That old geezer was right, they are worse than crack.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on August 04, 2015, 01:11:14 AM
Had to smile when they tried to say they don't concentrate shops in deprived areas.

Do they think people are blind?





Joe Coral once said something like this (I'm paraphrasing) "Show me the areas with the most poverty, the highest rates of unemployment and the most desperation and I'll show you my most profitable shops"

He also used to say 'never a quarrel bet with coral'.  When i arrived at cheltenham in 2012 i saw a full sized ad board right outside the track actually advertising this statement.  Quite comical.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on August 04, 2015, 01:20:52 AM
Claire really is an odious individual

He is doing his job but he is so far away from the normal punter.  He is a proper wannabe upper middle england social climber who rides out horses in his middle england home (per his twitter page).  He has no connection at all with any of his customers.  That is what really annoys me about the modern betting game.  When i was a kid twenty years ago going to a track i knew i would probably lose but i was betting agasinst guys who were from the dirt like me.  Working class bookies who had done well.  They were willing to take a bet etc.  I don't think those types really exist anymore which is a shame.  i fell in love with the game 20 years ago on the premise you could win.  This show basically tells any wannabe punters if you have anyone ideas about winning just stop now because you can't.

I had to laugh at the lol pro punter who bet a dog ew at 8/1 at romford on a friday night at the track £100 e/w at 8/1 sir you are on.  No shit sir on course layer thats ur jag paid for for the week ev wise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  Place price would probably have been close to 6/1 on bf if the win price was 8/1 at the track and the bf sp win price would probably have been close to 20/1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so many lol pro punters on the show in the last 3 weeks. Not surprising because no real pro punter is ever going to show his face.  I think the show has been good overall but the lol pro punters have been comically bad.  Shame they couldn't get one on betting in real pro punter amounts with a real edge to show how real pros do it even if they hid their face.

Clare has got a lot of good PR out of this for his firm so VWP to him but i still think it was a sponsored show on the bbc which must go against bbc guidelines somehow.  There was no mention of betfair in any of the 3 shows who are a major player in the industry.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on August 04, 2015, 02:54:27 AM
"not here to make a profit out of peoples misery" sorry pet but thats exactly what you do.

That's not their actual business model, though. It's just an inevitable factor.

It's like saying McDonald's is making a profit out of people's laziness.

I thought it was a good programme, personally. We've seen the fun you can have when you exercise control and how bad it gets when you don't.  Either way, Simon Clare looks happy.

Difference being if a 30 stone fattie or a 10 stone super athlete wants to order 200 big macs they all 'get on' and get served at the same price with the same service in McDonald's.  They both want to buy a product with a fixed price and they both get treated the same whether they come in every day or once a year.  That is not the same at lolcorals.  The fattie would get his 200 big macs because he is a reg but the skinny once a year guy taking the value because he is hungry wouldn't get on if Mc'D's was like a high street bookie.

McD's set the price for their burgers (the same as lolcoral set the price for their products in advance with a built in profit margin into every price) so are happy to sell to anyone.  For some reason lolcoral set their prices in advance with the margin built into their prices but they feel like they have the ability to sell their identical product at a price to certain customers but not to others.

It really is that simple.  Imagine if McDonalds didn't know how to price up their big macs in order to make a profit.  Why do they?  Because they employ experts to price up a Bigmac correctly in order for them to make a long term profit.  If major bookmakers employed experts at the correct rate to evaluate their products and price them up correctly they would also be able to sell their product to any customer in any volume long term who chooses to walk through their door at a profit.  The reason why they don't is because they pay peanuts for monkeys who would probably struggle to tell the Mc'Ds management how much they should sell a burger for never mind price up a football match or a horse race whilst making the vast majority of their profits from products where you don't need any human to price them up because a monkey literally can price up a roulette wheel.  Welcome to gambling in the UK in 2015.  What a sorry sorry industry it is becoming.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Tal on August 04, 2015, 08:07:21 AM
"not here to make a profit out of peoples misery" sorry pet but thats exactly what you do.

That's not their actual business model, though. It's just an inevitable factor.

It's like saying McDonald's is making a profit out of people's laziness.

I thought it was a good programme, personally. We've seen the fun you can have when you exercise control and how bad it gets when you don't.  Either way, Simon Clare looks happy.

Difference being if a 30 stone fattie or a 10 stone super athlete wants to order 200 big macs they all 'get on' and get served at the same price with the same service in McDonald's.  They both want to buy a product with a fixed price and they both get treated the same whether they come in every day or once a year.  That is not the same at lolcorals.  The fattie would get his 200 big macs because he is a reg but the skinny once a year guy taking the value because he is hungry wouldn't get on if Mc'D's was like a high street bookie.

McD's set the price for their burgers (the same as lolcoral set the price for their products in advance with a built in profit margin into every price) so are happy to sell to anyone.  For some reason lolcoral set their prices in advance with the margin built into their prices but they feel like they have the ability to sell their identical product at a price to certain customers but not to others.

It really is that simple.  Imagine if McDonalds didn't know how to price up their big macs in order to make a profit.  Why do they?  Because they employ experts to price up a Bigmac correctly in order for them to make a long term profit.  If major bookmakers employed experts at the correct rate to evaluate their products and price them up correctly they would also be able to sell their product to any customer in any volume long term who chooses to walk through their door at a profit.  The reason why they don't is because they pay peanuts for monkeys who would probably struggle to tell the Mc'Ds management how much they should sell a burger for never mind price up a football match or a horse race whilst making the vast majority of their profits from products where you don't need any human to price them up because a monkey literally can price up a roulette wheel.  Welcome to gambling in the UK in 2015.  What a sorry sorry industry it is becoming.

As you well know, unlike a BigMac, the price of the product in gambling is impossible to calculate perfectly. Dogs are stopped (overfed or undertrained), horses are underridden or deliberately ridden poorly to jupe the handicapper for next time out, animals are unpredictable. The art if pricing is exactly that: an art. The bookie builds in enough margin for error to be satisfied he probably has a profit...until he realises £500k has changed hands on an online exchange and the wisdom of the crowd believes he's effectively overbroke on the five dog. McDonald's will sell anyone Big Macs because they KNOW they're making a profit.

In the stands, ten people are on their 'phones and i-pads, fully aware the orange jacket is two spots higher on the track and now they're pummelling the bookie with fifties. I did think it interesting that the on-track bookie didn't "do" betfair. Much like the fella at Doncaster on Saturday offering 15/2 on a horse that's 14.5 on the exchange...

With the big five, I also disagree with their models on restricting so many customers, but they should be allowed to react to the info they get, just like us punters do. Sometimes that will mean listening when a bloke wanders up to the counter and wants £10k on a bet. In my view, he should be able to get that price on the favourite in the Grand National but he is being a mug if he wants it on the next James Bond record and perhaps he even deserves to be knocked back.

The show has made FOBTs out to be what they are, the traders to be sports fans with some maths and a little gamble and the top brass to be delighted with the results. Two out of three ain't bad.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Omm on August 04, 2015, 08:17:11 AM
What's the score with the big VIP punter. Coral are obviously not the only ones to have these sort of events and I can understand this guy saying he stays loyal to coral if they are all the same price but he can't be a winning punter can he? Otherwise they wouldn't entertain him, won on the day which is all well and good, starting saying that this were not big bets for him, 50k and 100k wins before. But what's the score with him and coral for them to want to keep him sweet?


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Tal on August 04, 2015, 08:28:54 AM
What's the score with the big VIP punter. Coral are obviously not the only ones to have these sort of events and I can understand this guy saying he stays loyal to coral if they are all the same price but he can't be a winning punter can he? Otherwise they wouldn't entertain him, won on the day which is all well and good, starting saying that this were not big bets for him, 50k and 100k wins before. But what's the score with him and coral for them to want to keep him sweet?

He could theoretically be a winning punter on certain sports bu they want him to give more action on other things.

If we do accept that he's rinsing them on football (I assume with an enormous database of statistics he applies algorithms to), we have also to accept that he's the type of chap to put £700 on a horse when he doesn't know what colours its jockey is in.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: tikay on August 04, 2015, 08:36:55 AM
What's the score with the big VIP punter. Coral are obviously not the only ones to have these sort of events and I can understand this guy saying he stays loyal to coral if they are all the same price but he can't be a winning punter can he? Otherwise they wouldn't entertain him, won on the day which is all well and good, starting saying that this were not big bets for him, 50k and 100k wins before. But what's the score with him and coral for them to want to keep him sweet?

He could theoretically be a winning punter on certain sports bu they want him to give more action on other things.

If we do accept that he's rinsing them on football (I assume with an enormous database of statistics he applies algorithms to), we have also to accept that he's the type of chap to put £700 on a horse when he doesn't know what colours its jockey is in.

He might also enjoy splashing some cash on online slots, blackjack, roulette etc. Even if he is a winning sports bettor, he could still be a profitable account for the firm on other products. 


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Tal on August 04, 2015, 08:43:44 AM
What's the score with the big VIP punter. Coral are obviously not the only ones to have these sort of events and I can understand this guy saying he stays loyal to coral if they are all the same price but he can't be a winning punter can he? Otherwise they wouldn't entertain him, won on the day which is all well and good, starting saying that this were not big bets for him, 50k and 100k wins before. But what's the score with him and coral for them to want to keep him sweet?

He could theoretically be a winning punter on certain sports bu they want him to give more action on other things.

If we do accept that he's rinsing them on football (I assume with an enormous database of statistics he applies algorithms to), we have also to accept that he's the type of chap to put £700 on a horse when he doesn't know what colours its jockey is in.

He might also enjoy splashing some cash on online slots, blackjack, roulette etc. Even if he is a winning sports bettor, he could still be a profitable account for the firm on other products. 

Sorry. Yes of course. Other sports or casino games.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Omm on August 04, 2015, 09:34:27 AM
What's the score with the big VIP punter. Coral are obviously not the only ones to have these sort of events and I can understand this guy saying he stays loyal to coral if they are all the same price but he can't be a winning punter can he? Otherwise they wouldn't entertain him, won on the day which is all well and good, starting saying that this were not big bets for him, 50k and 100k wins before. But what's the score with him and coral for them to want to keep him sweet?

He could theoretically be a winning punter on certain sports bu they want him to give more action on other things.

If we do accept that he's rinsing them on football (I assume with an enormous database of statistics he applies algorithms to), we have also to accept that he's the type of chap to put £700 on a horse when he doesn't know what colours its jockey is in.

He might also enjoy splashing some cash on online slots, blackjack, roulette etc. Even if he is a winning sports bettor, he could still be a profitable account for the firm on other products. 

Sorry. Yes of course. Other sports or casino games.

Yeah I thought at the time he could be a winning punter elsewhere and stays loyal to coral for punting, gets him the VIP treatment I suppose.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on August 04, 2015, 10:38:56 AM
Was that 'Angry Greg Raymer' we caught a glimpse of a few times at Romford?


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Simon Galloway on August 04, 2015, 11:08:45 AM

He might also enjoy splashing some cash on online slots, blackjack, roulette etc. Even if he is a winning sports bettor, he could still be a profitable account for the firm on other products. 

If they took that view and tolerated the action for "the greater good" then it would be reasonable.  But they don't, they restrict on the markets he has some clue about whilst spamming the shit out of him to play online slots.  And in doing so, they deserve to get no action whatsoever.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: tikay on August 04, 2015, 11:23:39 AM

He might also enjoy splashing some cash on online slots, blackjack, roulette etc. Even if he is a winning sports bettor, he could still be a profitable account for the firm on other products. 

If they took that view and tolerated the action for "the greater good" then it would be reasonable.  But they don't, they restrict on the markets he has some clue about whilst spamming the shit out of him to play online slots.  And in doing so, they deserve to get no action whatsoever.

Fair comment, but that does not apply to all Firms.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Doobs on August 04, 2015, 11:29:23 AM

He might also enjoy splashing some cash on online slots, blackjack, roulette etc. Even if he is a winning sports bettor, he could still be a profitable account for the firm on other products. 

If they took that view and tolerated the action for "the greater good" then it would be reasonable.  But they don't, they restrict on the markets he has some clue about whilst spamming the shit out of him to play online slots.  And in doing so, they deserve to get no action whatsoever.

Fair comment, but that does not apply to all Firms.

Shy heavily restrict me despite my poker play.   Bf Sportsbook heavily restricted me despite my exchange and poker business.  The Stars Sportsbook is barely usable and seems to duck every bet vs Betfair so can't confirm what they do yet. 

Maybe they all treat casino business differently?  Guess if I regularly spewed £100 on hanging monkeys then I'd be ok for a fiver e/w in the National with both firms.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: tikay on August 04, 2015, 11:46:34 AM

He might also enjoy splashing some cash on online slots, blackjack, roulette etc. Even if he is a winning sports bettor, he could still be a profitable account for the firm on other products. 

If they took that view and tolerated the action for "the greater good" then it would be reasonable.  But they don't, they restrict on the markets he has some clue about whilst spamming the shit out of him to play online slots.  And in doing so, they deserve to get no action whatsoever.

Fair comment, but that does not apply to all Firms.

Shy heavily restrict me despite my poker play.   Bf Sportsbook heavily restricted me despite my exchange and poker business.  The Stars Sportsbook is barely usable and seems to duck every bet vs Betfair so can't confirm what they do yet. 

Maybe they all treat casino business differently?  Guess if I regularly spewed £100 on hanging monkeys then I'd be ok for a fiver e/w in the National with both firms.

I doubt the amount of poker you play would make a dot of difference on any multi media platform. Poker (or the rake you generate) is a very small part of the whole, especially compared to Sports Betting or House Games.   


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Doobs on August 04, 2015, 11:59:33 AM

He might also enjoy splashing some cash on online slots, blackjack, roulette etc. Even if he is a winning sports bettor, he could still be a profitable account for the firm on other products. 

If they took that view and tolerated the action for "the greater good" then it would be reasonable.  But they don't, they restrict on the markets he has some clue about whilst spamming the shit out of him to play online slots.  And in doing so, they deserve to get no action whatsoever.

Fair comment, but that does not apply to all Firms.

Shy heavily restrict me despite my poker play.   Bf Sportsbook heavily restricted me despite my exchange and poker business.  The Stars Sportsbook is barely usable and seems to duck every bet vs Betfair so can't confirm what they do yet. 

Maybe they all treat casino business differently?  Guess if I regularly spewed £100 on hanging monkeys then I'd be ok for a fiver e/w in the National with both firms.

I doubt the amount of poker you play would make a dot of difference on any multi media platform. Poker (or the rake you generate) is a very small part of the whole, especially compared to Sports Betting or House Games.   

I know my shy account isn't heavily used, but I was a pretty big raker on bf poker and a fairly heavy exchange user.  In fact 90%+ of my betting and poker used to be through bf, and I was a bigger player at the time.  They still restricted me to miserly amounts on the sportsbook.  Sure Arbboy has suffered worse in comparison.  They still used to take me to very nice events.  I find parts of the bf model bizarre.  If you are a fairly big player, you get to dine in a nice restaurant at Ascot, if you are a huge player you get premium charged to effectively force you out.  The fact I can't get a tenner each way in the Open even when restricted to 6 places just seems odd when you know you have been to Ascot.  It just doesn't seem joined up at all (well it obviously it is on the way they restrict, but not in the way they reward).

Despite some of the things they get wrong, they seem hugely succesful so what do I know?


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: nirvana on August 04, 2015, 12:17:11 PM
Was that 'Angry Greg Raymer' we caught a glimpse of a few times at Romford?

Lol..deffo he'm yah


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: tikay on August 04, 2015, 12:17:39 PM

He might also enjoy splashing some cash on online slots, blackjack, roulette etc. Even if he is a winning sports bettor, he could still be a profitable account for the firm on other products. 

If they took that view and tolerated the action for "the greater good" then it would be reasonable.  But they don't, they restrict on the markets he has some clue about whilst spamming the shit out of him to play online slots.  And in doing so, they deserve to get no action whatsoever.

Fair comment, but that does not apply to all Firms.

Shy heavily restrict me despite my poker play.   Bf Sportsbook heavily restricted me despite my exchange and poker business.  The Stars Sportsbook is barely usable and seems to duck every bet vs Betfair so can't confirm what they do yet. 

Maybe they all treat casino business differently?  Guess if I regularly spewed £100 on hanging monkeys then I'd be ok for a fiver e/w in the National with both firms.

I doubt the amount of poker you play would make a dot of difference on any multi media platform. Poker (or the rake you generate) is a very small part of the whole, especially compared to Sports Betting or House Games.   

I know my shy account isn't heavily used, but I was a pretty big raker on bf poker and a fairly heavy exchange user.  In fact 90%+ of my betting and poker used to be through bf, and I was a bigger player at the time.  They still restricted me to miserly amounts on the sportsbook.  Sure Arbboy has suffered worse in comparison.  They still used to take me to very nice events.  I find parts of the bf model bizarre.  If you are a fairly big player, you get to dine in a nice restaurant at Ascot, if you are a huge player you get premium charged to effectively force you out.  The fact I can't get a tenner each way in the Open even when restricted to 6 places just seems odd when you know you have been to Ascot.  It just doesn't seem joined up at all (well it obviously it is on the way they restrict, but not in the way they reward).

Despite some of the things they get wrong, they seem hugely succesful
so what do I know?

Exactly the point. They are not as lol as some think.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: edgascoigne on August 04, 2015, 12:47:45 PM

He might also enjoy splashing some cash on online slots, blackjack, roulette etc. Even if he is a winning sports bettor, he could still be a profitable account for the firm on other products. 

If they took that view and tolerated the action for "the greater good" then it would be reasonable.  But they don't, they restrict on the markets he has some clue about whilst spamming the shit out of him to play online slots.  And in doing so, they deserve to get no action whatsoever.

Fair comment, but that does not apply to all Firms.

Shy heavily restrict me despite my poker play.   Bf Sportsbook heavily restricted me despite my exchange and poker business.  The Stars Sportsbook is barely usable and seems to duck every bet vs Betfair so can't confirm what they do yet. 

Maybe they all treat casino business differently?  Guess if I regularly spewed £100 on hanging monkeys then I'd be ok for a fiver e/w in the National with both firms.

I doubt the amount of poker you play would make a dot of difference on any multi media platform. Poker (or the rake you generate) is a very small part of the whole, especially compared to Sports Betting or House Games.   

I know my shy account isn't heavily used, but I was a pretty big raker on bf poker and a fairly heavy exchange user.  In fact 90%+ of my betting and poker used to be through bf, and I was a bigger player at the time.  They still restricted me to miserly amounts on the sportsbook.  Sure Arbboy has suffered worse in comparison.  They still used to take me to very nice events.  I find parts of the bf model bizarre.  If you are a fairly big player, you get to dine in a nice restaurant at Ascot, if you are a huge player you get premium charged to effectively force you out.  The fact I can't get a tenner each way in the Open even when restricted to 6 places just seems odd when you know you have been to Ascot.  It just doesn't seem joined up at all (well it obviously it is on the way they restrict, but not in the way they reward).

Despite some of the things they get wrong, they seem hugely succesful
so what do I know?

Exactly the point. They are not as lol as some think.

**sits on hands**

Let's just say the biz is very differently run now to 3-4 years ago/.

@ Doobs - did you used to get lots of BF invites until about 5 years ago before them then slowing down?


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on August 04, 2015, 12:50:01 PM

He might also enjoy splashing some cash on online slots, blackjack, roulette etc. Even if he is a winning sports bettor, he could still be a profitable account for the firm on other products.  

If they took that view and tolerated the action for "the greater good" then it would be reasonable.  But they don't, they restrict on the markets he has some clue about whilst spamming the shit out of him to play online slots.  And in doing so, they deserve to get no action whatsoever.

Fair comment, but that does not apply to all Firms.

Shy heavily restrict me despite my poker play.   Bf Sportsbook heavily restricted me despite my exchange and poker business.  The Stars Sportsbook is barely usable and seems to duck every bet vs Betfair so can't confirm what they do yet.  

Maybe they all treat casino business differently?  Guess if I regularly spewed £100 on hanging monkeys then I'd be ok for a fiver e/w in the National with both firms.

I doubt the amount of poker you play would make a dot of difference on any multi media platform. Poker (or the rake you generate) is a very small part of the whole, especially compared to Sports Betting or House Games.  

I know my shy account isn't heavily used, but I was a pretty big raker on bf poker and a fairly heavy exchange user.  In fact 90%+ of my betting and poker used to be through bf, and I was a bigger player at the time.  They still restricted me to miserly amounts on the sportsbook.  Sure Arbboy has suffered worse in comparison.  They still used to take me to very nice events.  I find parts of the bf model bizarre.  If you are a fairly big player, you get to dine in a nice restaurant at Ascot, if you are a huge player you get premium charged to effectively force you out.  The fact I can't get a tenner each way in the Open even when restricted to 6 places just seems odd when you know you have been to Ascot.  It just doesn't seem joined up at all (well it obviously it is on the way they restrict, but not in the way they reward).

Despite some of the things they get wrong, they seem hugely succesful so what do I know?

I get why they don't want my sportsbook action.  It's just the way the business works.  My problem is i still get my business on with bfsb via friends.  I have discussed this with my VIP manager several times over the years and he says pretty much 'that's just the game everyone plays' which is fair enough.  My problem with the bf sb is closing my account on certain sports before i had even had a bet with their sportsbook when it opened.  I was cut to zero on dogs before the sportsbook was even open.  I don't agree they should be able to use my exchange data/results to use in their sportsbook to decide whether they take a bet from me before their sportsbook was even opened for trade.  Obviously after a few bets on other sports i was cut across to board to pennies.

It is a bizarre model as doobs says.  I have been very well looked after by betfair hospitality wise over the years although that has been massively cut back since the paddy power ceo came in and the sportsbook was open.  I have been to the Cheltenham festival every year for 1 or 2 days for years in their tent.  Ascot with them.  Man U box at least twice a season.  O2 for NBA/tennis etc. Darts/snooker when they sponsored those a few years back.  Obviously in the last ten years i have more than paid for this via my rake and commission.  I would imagine i have paid bf well over £1m in rake and commission since i joined them.  At my peak of arbing and playing poker back in the day circa 2006-2010 i had over 700,000 betfair points at my peak i think.  You need 150k to be on 2% commission.  It used to be 100k for 2% in the old days before they put in an effective commission hike in a sneaky manner by pushing all the levels of points needed for each commission rate a few years ago.

I think my biggest ever month rakeback wise was £46k during a promo i won a 150% rakeback month in 2010 before they floated in order to boost their poker figures to show to the market.  Mental 2 months where you had to be the top raker in April on the site in order to get 150% rakeback for the following month.  I must have done 18 hour days playing 15 high stakes stts at a time for literally 60 days straight.  None of those games even run now and i rarely play any online poker anymore and/or arb anymore.  My standard monthly commission paid on the exchange is between £4-5k on a standard month nowadays on bets i win.  I don't count the commission i obviously donate on losing bets which the other side pays from their winnings.  This is much lower than during my peak arbing years of 2006-2010.  

I think the premium charge is misunderstood as a lot of big players (who are winners) don't pay it.  There are plenty of smaller players who pay it who don't actually win that much.  I think you need to have paid at least 30% of your lifetime winnings in commission to not pay it.  It is a complex formula but that is the basics.  So if you have won £500k lifetime and have paid £250k in commission then you won't pay the premium charge.  Big position takers (who don't green up) very rarely pay the PC.   I actually agree with the premium charge to punish bots who just constantly green up and suck money out of the system and give very little back to betfair in commission in order of bf to keep recruiting new customers to keep the show on the road.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: tikay on August 04, 2015, 01:01:08 PM

We can moan & lol all we like about Betfair, but if I were a shareholder I'd be pretty happy with this. And they exist for the benefit of their shareholders.


GROUP REVENUE

(£m)
£476.5m
+21%
ORDINARY DIVIDEND
(per share)
34.0 pence
+70%
B SHARE DIVIDEND
(per share)
189.0 pence

http://corporate.betfair.com/~/media/Files/B/Betfair-Corporate/pdf/annual-report-2015.pdf




Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on August 04, 2015, 01:18:54 PM
I have literally never had anything off any bookmaker.

Not sure those Betfair Xmas hampers were for real, or whether it was a wind-up, but never even had a diary off them. The only thing they gave me was a 50% PC, even though I never used software, bots, or any of that shiz.

I got a diary off Coral one year but he sayed "we'll send you one if there are any left." Marv.

Fumming here.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: DungBeetle on August 04, 2015, 01:29:40 PM
Spreadex sent me some smoked salmon once.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: BorntoBubble on August 04, 2015, 01:36:13 PM
Arrboy why dont you think its right for Betfair exchange to give info to Sportsbook to restrict you.

If you had defaulted on a loan with Barclays I wouldnt expect them to give you a credit card as they will have shared that information.

I do think its "fair" for the bookies to restrict in certain ways but I do not like the way they do it. To me if they are restricting on a Premier League match where they are not best priced and not beating betfair this seems utterly stupid?

Also why not say you can have £200 at 2/1 and £200 at 6/4 etc etc at least give people a chance to get the bet on but not at the price they originally asked for.

If I am always working at a loss for a customer I am going to stop working with that person so I do get the "not taking bets from winners" but I also hate that they can so easily get away with FOBT online casino's and effectively ruin people's lives


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on August 04, 2015, 01:37:34 PM
The only other corp hospitality i have had from a bookmaker was a comical story.  In 2006 i had a big losing totesport account i was arbing horses daily on in my then girlfriend's name.  Must have been £20k down on it in the first month of having it.  Dream spot for an arber.  I remember one 17 runner hcap during that month i backed 11 horses ew with them on the account for the max they would allow.  All 11 horses somehow managed to be unplaced and i did the absolute lot to them on that race.  During the same month i went for a senior trading interview with the same totesport at Wigan.  Met the trading director (TD) etc.  Never got the role because he didn't seem too keen having a pro punter/arber on his team (no idea why).  Anyway the following week my gf gets a letter in the post offering her and a guest full works hospitality at Haydock in the Totesport box.  

Obviously we go and have a lovely day out and incredibly i end up on the same table for lunch in the big totesport box as the TD who interviewed me!  No idea what the TD was doing on a busy Saturday afternoon wining and dining guests when he should have been at HQ managing positions etc.  He obviously remembered me and asked me what on earth i was doing in their box on full hospitality.  Safe to say even though the account was £20k down and i backed 11 horses e/w in a race which all were unplaced the account was promptly closed on Monday morning!

Don't think the day out was worth losing that account looking back.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Eso Kral on August 04, 2015, 01:45:48 PM
Was that 'Angry Greg Raymer' we caught a glimpse of a few times at Romford?

Lol..deffo he'm yah
Yeah defo him!

At Southend when he was a reg he was known as Handbag Dave


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: Chompy on August 04, 2015, 02:16:34 PM
Was that 'Angry Greg Raymer' we caught a glimpse of a few times at Romford?

Lol..deffo he'm yah
Yeah defo him!

At Southend when he was a reg he was known as Handbag Dave

:)

Seemed to play every night for a while at Luton and then disappeared.

Likes a handbag as much as Claypole does Angry GR.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: atdc21 on August 04, 2015, 03:03:46 PM
Arboy, I dont see why the bookies cant use all the info they have on you to their advantage, no more than you use info you have, that they dont for your advantage. Also find it amusing that you think people who green up ( in play/ or b4 race/event on bf) should pay a charge, when in effect you, as an' Arber' are doing exactly that. Not having a go at you b4 i get a trolling assault, just balancing your more than ample views  :)


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on August 04, 2015, 03:13:23 PM
Arboy, I dont see why the bookies cant use all the info they have on you to their advantage, no more than you use info you have, that they dont for your advantage. Also find it amusing that you think people who green up ( in play/ or b4 race/event on bf) should pay a charge, when in effect you, as an' Arber' are doing exactly that. Not having a go at you b4 i get a trolling assault, just balancing your more than ample views  :)

I am not doing exactly the same at all in that situation.  As an arber or position taker on betfair, rather than a green up merchant on bf, i will pay substantially more commission to betfair than the green up merchants will to make the same profits and win the same amount of money longer term from betfair if i am a winning customer.  Therefore i provide betfair with a much bigger income stream for them than a green up merchant would.  Hence why the green up bots get hit with the PC charge and position takers don't to make up for the relatively large amount of money they suck out of the betfair eco system without giving much back to betfair to run their business and keep the churn going moving forward.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: atdc21 on August 04, 2015, 03:22:56 PM
Arby, as an aside, did you ever use flutter.com b4 betfair bought them out? Amazing how far and so quickly things have changed, when you put a bet or lay up it used to appear with your name on it, and they would send you an e-mail after every process .....had some amazing prices on there, people would often put up bets/lays the wrong way around  :D


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: arbboy on August 04, 2015, 04:01:49 PM
Arby, as an aside, did you ever use flutter.com b4 betfair bought them out? Amazing how far and so quickly things have changed, when you put a bet or lay up it used to appear with your name on it, and they would send you an e-mail after every process .....had some amazing prices on there, people would often put up bets/lays the wrong way around  :D

Never used flutter in the really early days.  I think if you wanted to lay 6 horses in a race to lose £1k each you needed £6k in total in your account to do it as their software was so poor they didn't net off the liabilities.  Seems crazy looking back.  No wonder the business failed.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: The Camel on August 04, 2015, 04:06:07 PM
Arby, as an aside, did you ever use flutter.com b4 betfair bought them out? Amazing how far and so quickly things have changed, when you put a bet or lay up it used to appear with your name on it, and they would send you an e-mail after every process .....had some amazing prices on there, people would often put up bets/lays the wrong way around  :D

Never used flutter in the really early days.  I think if you wanted to lay 6 horses in a race to lose £1k each you needed £6k in total in your account to do it as their software was so poor they didn't net off the liabilities.  Seems crazy looking back.  No wonder the business failed.

Flutter was fantastic.

There was a big far eastern punter who was really hot called somchoi something. And his username was "somchoi".

At Blue Square in the early days he was the biggest winner. Then we discovered we could see what he wanted to back on flutter and move the book so we got with him.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: JohnCharver on August 04, 2015, 05:52:16 PM
"not here to make a profit out of peoples misery" sorry pet but thats exactly what you do.

That's not their actual business model, though. It's just an inevitable factor.

It's like saying McDonald's is making a profit out of people's laziness.

I thought it was a good programme, personally. We've seen the fun you can have when you exercise control and how bad it gets when you don't.  Either way, Simon Clare looks happy.

Whether its your model are not, if its what you achieve its exactly the same. Shops are only viable because of FOBTs which are a blight on the most vulnerable (to addiction). Its obvious the results of these fobts and who plays them to anyone who walks into a bookies. The three guys playing on the machine enjoying it was total manipulation. Ive been in a bookies at least 100 times a year, every year since old enough and the majority of people are represented by the guy doing his money (and reacting violently to the machine).

Mcdonalds comparison is pointless, you wouldnt end up suicidal or ruining your life because you had too many big macs.

I dont dislike the programme, just think shop managers are coming out as snakes and should be recognised as such.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: tikay on August 04, 2015, 05:53:43 PM
Arboy, I dont see why the bookies cant use all the info they have on you to their advantage, no more than you use info you have, that they dont for your advantage. Also find it amusing that you think people who green up ( in play/ or b4 race/event on bf) should pay a charge, when in effect you, as an' Arber' are doing exactly that. Not having a go at you b4 i get a trolling assault, just balancing your more than ample views  :)

Beautifully put, proper diplomatic, that. ;)


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: nirvana on August 04, 2015, 06:09:10 PM
to jupe the handicapper

ahem


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: TheDazzler on August 04, 2015, 07:55:21 PM

I know!
I even had to check if 'd' was beside 'j' on the keyboard for a misclick.
But no. These kids today Nirvana, education is wasted on them. Innit.


Title: Re: Britain at the Bookies
Post by: vegaslover on August 05, 2015, 01:11:32 PM
Arby, as an aside, did you ever use flutter.com b4 betfair bought them out? Amazing how far and so quickly things have changed, when you put a bet or lay up it used to appear with your name on it, and they would send you an e-mail after every process .....had some amazing prices on there, people would often put up bets/lays the wrong way around  :D

Never used flutter in the really early days.  I think if you wanted to lay 6 horses in a race to lose £1k each you needed £6k in total in your account to do it as their software was so poor they didn't net off the liabilities.  Seems crazy looking back.  No wonder the business failed.

I started off on flutter, when they gave me a tenner to bet with. Quickly learned it was far more profitable offering the bets then taking 'em. For a while you could offer some crazy lays as the punters didn't have a clue and had this free money to waste..lol