Title: A gentleman's game? Post by: Doobs on September 20, 2015, 11:31:28 AM http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3241878/Solheim-Cup-stars-Alison-Lee-Charley-Hull-tears-fourballs-row.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3241878/Solheim-Cup-stars-Alison-Lee-Charley-Hull-tears-fourballs-row.html)
I haven't seen this, but you have to be on Laura Davies' side here? What were they thinking? 3 or 4 up as well, which makes it even less understandable. Apologies for linking to the daily hate, the bbc version wasn't as clear. Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: Karabiner on September 20, 2015, 11:45:11 AM I'm sure they could have just had the ball replaced and let Alison Lee take her putt as it was two feet away and not an automatic concession.
The European captain should have definitely intervened. Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: tikay on September 20, 2015, 11:56:23 AM Ms Inkster is famously competitive & arsey. Most dislikeable individual. Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: Karabiner on September 20, 2015, 12:00:01 PM Ms Inkster is famously competitive & arsey. Most dislikeable individual. Ms Petterson is fairly similar. Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: tikay on September 20, 2015, 12:04:14 PM Ms Inkster is famously competitive & arsey. Most dislikeable individual. Ms Petterson is fairly similar. Perfect chemistry for some argy-bargy then. Laura probably had a bet on the match, too. Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: Karabiner on September 20, 2015, 01:04:30 PM Michelle Wie putting could be mistaken for a grazing giraffe.
Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: tikay on September 20, 2015, 01:12:34 PM Michelle Wie putting could be mistaken for a grazing giraffe. (http://womensgolfcenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Michelle-Wie-putting-stance3.jpg) Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: TheDazzler on September 20, 2015, 01:39:22 PM The putt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkCjktlVvxk It was the walking away that did it. Within the rules maybe but angle shooting for sure. Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: baldock92 on September 20, 2015, 01:49:53 PM Them walking off should imply the putt is given. Not technically a given putt but you have to use common sense here. That being said the American's should have waited for confirmation, in a match I never move my ball/ marker unless told to do so.
Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: Junior Senior on September 20, 2015, 02:28:25 PM Utterly disgusting! I hope europe lose the cup now. No place for that sort of behaviour in golf.
That putt was definitely given by Hull and Peterson is angle shooting. I am appauled. Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: Karabiner on September 20, 2015, 02:37:15 PM It appears to have been the best team-talk ever as the Yanks look like they might well win it as things stand.
Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: Junior Senior on September 20, 2015, 02:51:27 PM It appears to have been the best team-talk ever as the Yanks look like they might well win it as things stand. I also would give Petterson a lifetime ban from the solheim cup. Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: Doobs on September 20, 2015, 03:48:12 PM It appears to have been the best team-talk ever as the Yanks look like they might well win it as things stand. I also would give Petterson a lifetime ban from the solheim cup. Can't disagree. Wp throughout from her. Wp USA. Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: Doobs on September 21, 2015, 12:32:48 PM Petterson apologises
https://instagram.com/p/74r3eQOVA4/ (https://instagram.com/p/74r3eQOVA4/) Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: doubleup on September 21, 2015, 02:39:12 PM Quite an informative interview with the referee about half way down this page: http://www.skysports.com/golf/news/29304/9998794/solheim-cup-usa-captain-juli-inkster-accuses-europe-of-disrespect Seems like as soon as Pettersen said "We didn't concede that" and that was established to be correct, the ruling was completely straightforward. IMO it's a bit odd that on a poker site where everyone is a stickler for the rules and where I've read "he'll know next time" on many occasions, that Petterson is made out to be a monster for applying the same standards. Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: Doobs on September 21, 2015, 06:59:30 PM Quite an informative interview with the referee about half way down this page: http://www.skysports.com/golf/news/29304/9998794/solheim-cup-usa-captain-juli-inkster-accuses-europe-of-disrespect Seems like as soon as Pettersen said "We didn't concede that" and that was established to be correct, the ruling was completely straightforward. IMO it's a bit odd that on a poker site where everyone is a stickler for the rules and where I've read "he'll know next time" on many occasions, that Petterson is made out to be a monster for applying the same standards. Bit of a straw man you have there by claiming everybody here is a stickler for the rules. For sure some people are sticklers for the rules in poker games, others still like to do the right thing. There must be numerous threads where we have had similar arguments. I am pretty sure I would just concede the putt, as it is pretty clear that is what the US player thought had happened, and the reality is that 95% of the time she would have sunk the putt. I am also pretty sure that many of my fellow poker players wouldn't. People live their lives different ways. Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: Karabiner on September 21, 2015, 07:11:38 PM I still maintain that the captain should have intervened and had the ball replaced.
Simples. Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: doubleup on September 21, 2015, 08:04:31 PM Ralph - if you listen to the referee in the clip I linked, he says that once it is agreed that the putt wasn't conceded and no one said anything that could be construed as a concession, he can't give the option to replace the ball. Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: RickBFA on September 21, 2015, 08:52:03 PM Total disgrace. Just not on. Poetic justice that the Americans won in the end.
Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: JohnCharver on September 21, 2015, 09:38:31 PM Best thing thats ever happened to womens golf, first time Ive ever heard anybody give a shit about it.
Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: Woodsey on September 21, 2015, 09:46:18 PM Best thing thats ever happened to womens golf, first time Ive ever heard anybody give a shit about it. lol, a lot of truth to that in fairness.... Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: buzzharvey22 on September 21, 2015, 09:57:35 PM I love Suzann.
Love a bit of edge in these things. Hate it when they're all hugging and high five-ing each other, i personally find it incredibly cringey. One of my favorite Ryder Cup moments was at Medina in 2012. 17th hole. Justin Rose Snakes an unbelievable 40 footer, downhill with loads of left to right break. Struts across the green with his chest out as if he's hung like a shire horse. Then the camera cuts to Phil Mickleson is applauding him with his stupid little smiley face. And that stupid little smiley face is why the USA have a shocking Ryder Cup record over the last 20 years. They've lost their edge. I've probably played about 200 games of match play golf in my life and have never, ever picked a ball up without confirmation that my opponent has conceded. Even times when i thought i've heard somebody say "take it away" i may even still mark my ball just to get the confirmation again. Couldn't think of much worse than looking to my opponent and him just staring blankly at me and not conceding, just looks weak. Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: MintTrav on September 21, 2015, 10:44:54 PM Quite an informative interview with the referee about half way down this page: http://www.skysports.com/golf/news/29304/9998794/solheim-cup-usa-captain-juli-inkster-accuses-europe-of-disrespect Seems like as soon as Pettersen said "We didn't concede that" and that was established to be correct, the ruling was completely straightforward. IMO it's a bit odd that on a poker site where everyone is a stickler for the rules and where I've read "he'll know next time" on many occasions, that Petterson is made out to be a monster for applying the same standards. Exactly the same thought occurred to me. Thought the whole situation was hilarious tbh. Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: Karabiner on September 21, 2015, 10:57:03 PM Ralph - if you listen to the referee in the clip I linked, he says that once it is agreed that the putt wasn't conceded and no one said anything that could be construed as a concession, he can't give the option to replace the ball. Are you suggesting that Charlie Hull didn't infer concession by walking off the green? Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: doubleup on September 21, 2015, 11:09:10 PM Ralph - if you listen to the referee in the clip I linked, he says that once it is agreed that the putt wasn't conceded and no one said anything that could be construed as a concession, he can't give the option to replace the ball. Are you suggesting that Charlie Hull didn't infer concession by walking off the green? That's irrelevant anyway as Lee said she picked up the ball because she thought she heard someone say "its good" (and if you look at the video Hull walked towards Pettersen who appears to be standing at the edge of the green behind Lee). The referee says in the vid clip that the option to replace wasn't available. Title: Re: A gentleman's game? Post by: doubleup on September 23, 2015, 12:27:49 PM Lincicombe has admitted shouting "don't pick up" at Lee, so that pretty much destroys the whole "walking off putt conceded" argument as she could clearly see both the Euro players and wasn't in any way under the impression that the putt had been conceded.
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