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Title: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: tikay on November 16, 2015, 10:12:17 AM

With the International Break - what a nuisance they are - it was a quiet week for football, so The Times did a little "the season so far" piece which was really quite interesting. 8 of their Journos commented on a range of topics.

A few of their comments follow. Most would have been hard to predict before the season began. 


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: tikay on November 16, 2015, 10:15:17 AM

Player of the season so far?


7 out of 8 went for James Vardy (ex Stocksbridge Park Steels & Fleetwood Town) , the other went for Pelle.


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/11/17/2775FCE500000578-3034957-image-a-25_1428768021590.jpg)


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/03/19/1443895801612_lc_galleryImage_Football_Chelsea_v_Southa.JPG)


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: tikay on November 16, 2015, 10:20:10 AM

Team of the season so far

7 went for Leicester City, the other (same lady - Alyson Rudd -  who went for Pelle) goes for Crystal Palace, managed by ex Newcastle Manager Pardew "away form astonishing, pace blistering, defence solid".


(http://blog.winner.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/King-power-stadium1-820x300.jpg)


 
(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/Alan-Pardew-Crystal-Palace-Alan-Pardew-Crystal-Palace-Alan-Pardew-FA-Cup-FA-Cup-553695.jpg)


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: TightEnd on November 16, 2015, 10:23:13 AM
thats interesting. Palace have three away losses

would have highlighted west ham for away form, where they won and how they won with passing football/possession


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: tikay on November 16, 2015, 10:23:21 AM


Premier League Top Four

6 go for Arsenal, Man C, Man U & Spurs.

1 replaces Spurs with Southampton, the other, strangely, replaces Spurs with Chelsea.



(http://www.london24.com/polopoly_fs/1.2305333.1375111486!/image/1721326652.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/1721326652.jpg)


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: Cf on November 16, 2015, 10:26:19 AM
thats interesting. Palace have three away losses

would have highlighted west ham for away form, where they won and how they won with passing football/possession

When it comes to Pardew the facts have nothing to do with it.

Just know that his teams play front foot attacking football and any club would be lucky to have him.


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: tikay on November 16, 2015, 10:26:36 AM


Fans you admire most?


Wide diversity here, but the most votes - 3 from 8 - go to Palace fans.



(http://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2014/09/crystal-palace-fans.jpg)


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: tikay on November 16, 2015, 10:31:21 AM


Best TV Pundit


1 for Shearer, 1 for Danny Murphy, one for Ian Wright, but this man gets the clear nod. Quite right too, few of us can fail to have learned by listening to him. When he got the gig, he was poo-poo'd. They are not poo pooing now.

He just needs to get himself some decent ties now. Jeez, did you ever see a man wear more boring ties?


(http://tvnewsroom.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Gary-Neville-Sky-Sports-2.jpg)






Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: Cf on November 16, 2015, 10:33:52 AM
How could anyone vote for Danny Murphy or Ian Wright!?


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: tikay on November 16, 2015, 10:47:09 AM
How could anyone vote for Danny Murphy or Ian Wright!?

Their reasoning was....

Danny Murphy - "honest, insightful, & ever so slightly menacing".


Ian Wright - "...has been reborn, he is fun, yet cares. Critical without being spiteful"


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: DungBeetle on November 16, 2015, 01:28:12 PM
How could anyone vote for Danny Murphy or Ian Wright!?

Voting for Murphy is simply astonishing.


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: TightEnd on November 16, 2015, 01:31:09 PM
not much arguing with this team of the season so far is there?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT7w8kMXAAAaSIG.jpg:large)


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: Matt50 on November 16, 2015, 02:37:11 PM
Nice to see the media recognising Palace for the right reasons, which is more than can be said for Roy Hodgson.

I consider myself to be a fair judge of Palace players (actually couldn't believe that someone said Jason Puncheon should be in the England squad - he is so over-rated it is ridiculous).
However.....Jesse Lingard has 2 decent performance and finds himself elevated to the England squad in front of Zaha.
And Scott Dann has probably been in the top 3 most consistent centre backs in the last 18 months yet still finds himself nowhere near the squad - if he played for Spurs he would be in it!!


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: TightEnd on November 16, 2015, 02:39:47 PM
Nice to see the media recognising Palace for the right reasons, which is more than can be said for Roy Hodgson.

I consider myself to be a fair judge of Palace players (actually couldn't believe that someone said Jason Puncheon should be in the England squad - he is so over-rated it is ridiculous).
However.....Jesse Lingard has 2 decent performance and finds himself elevated to the England squad in front of Zaha.
And Scott Dann has probably been in the top 3 most consistent centre backs in the last 18 months yet still finds himself nowhere near the squad - if he played for Spurs he would be in it!!

agree on Dann

same for Danny Drinkwater, if he played for a big club, would be in


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: DungBeetle on November 16, 2015, 02:50:55 PM
Nice to see the media recognising Palace for the right reasons, which is more than can be said for Roy Hodgson.

I consider myself to be a fair judge of Palace players (actually couldn't believe that someone said Jason Puncheon should be in the England squad - he is so over-rated it is ridiculous).
However.....Jesse Lingard has 2 decent performance and finds himself elevated to the England squad in front of Zaha.
And Scott Dann has probably been in the top 3 most consistent centre backs in the last 18 months yet still finds himself nowhere near the squad - if he played for Spurs he would be in it!!

For Hodgson someone has to do something astonishing to get picked from a smaller club (eg Vardy).  As soon as Chambers joined Arsenal he was immediately in the England squad.  The fact Dann doesn't get a look in says far more about Hodgson's limited thinking that the player.  How Lingaard can even be on the radar is beyond me.


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: PathFinder on November 16, 2015, 02:51:38 PM
Nice to see the media recognising Palace for the right reasons, which is more than can be said for Roy Hodgson.

I consider myself to be a fair judge of Palace players (actually couldn't believe that someone said Jason Puncheon should be in the England squad - he is so over-rated it is ridiculous).
However.....Jesse Lingard has 2 decent performance and finds himself elevated to the England squad in front of Zaha.
And Scott Dann has probably been in the top 3 most consistent centre backs in the last 18 months yet still finds himself nowhere near the squad - if he played for Spurs he would be in it!!

agree on Dann

same for Danny Drinkwater, if he played for a big club, would be in

Is there not an argument that if you are indeed good enough you should be playing for a big club?


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: TightEnd on November 16, 2015, 02:55:39 PM
Nice to see the media recognising Palace for the right reasons, which is more than can be said for Roy Hodgson.

I consider myself to be a fair judge of Palace players (actually couldn't believe that someone said Jason Puncheon should be in the England squad - he is so over-rated it is ridiculous).
However.....Jesse Lingard has 2 decent performance and finds himself elevated to the England squad in front of Zaha.
And Scott Dann has probably been in the top 3 most consistent centre backs in the last 18 months yet still finds himself nowhere near the squad - if he played for Spurs he would be in it!!

agree on Dann

same for Danny Drinkwater, if he played for a big club, would be in

Is there not an argument that if you are indeed good enough you should be playing for a big club?

Well Drinkwater came through the Man U system but like so many couldn't break in and wanted first team football once he hit 22-23 years old. Had to go down to come back up

there are dozens of U21s who 15 years ago would have had an automatic path into the first team but now post Bosman and with the money in the game these guys can't get past the foreign signings

so clubs like leicester, palace, west ham, norwich, west brom etc all have players that have to be on the radar but tend not to be so much

there simply aren't the range of Eglish players playing for top six sides


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: TheDazzler on November 16, 2015, 03:10:36 PM
Nice to see the media recognising Palace for the right reasons, which is more than can be said for Roy Hodgson.

I consider myself to be a fair judge of Palace players (actually couldn't believe that someone said Jason Puncheon should be in the England squad - he is so over-rated it is ridiculous).
However.....Jesse Lingard has 2 decent performance and finds himself elevated to the England squad in front of Zaha.
And Scott Dann has probably been in the top 3 most consistent centre backs in the last 18 months yet still finds himself nowhere near the squad - if he played for Spurs he would be in it!!

agree on Dann

same for Danny Drinkwater, if he played for a big club, would be in

Here is my mate Paul Doyle of the Guardians team of the season.
He puts Drinkwater in the subs.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/nov/11/premier-league-team-season-so-far


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: TightEnd on November 16, 2015, 03:15:35 PM
interesting

i meant the england 23 (delph, 3 games this season?)  not the team of the season!


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: Cf on November 16, 2015, 03:37:59 PM
Nice to see the media recognising Palace for the right reasons, which is more than can be said for Roy Hodgson.

I consider myself to be a fair judge of Palace players (actually couldn't believe that someone said Jason Puncheon should be in the England squad - he is so over-rated it is ridiculous).
However.....Jesse Lingard has 2 decent performance and finds himself elevated to the England squad in front of Zaha.
And Scott Dann has probably been in the top 3 most consistent centre backs in the last 18 months yet still finds himself nowhere near the squad - if he played for Spurs he would be in it!!

agree on Dann

same for Danny Drinkwater, if he played for a big club, would be in

Is there not an argument that if you are indeed good enough you should be playing for a big club?

Well Drinkwater came through the Man U system but like so many couldn't break in and wanted first team football once he hit 22-23 years old. Had to go down to come back up

there are dozens of U21s who 15 years ago would have had an automatic path into the first team but now post Bosman and with the money in the game these guys can't get past the foreign signings

so clubs like leicester, palace, west ham, norwich, west brom etc all have players that have to be on the radar but tend not to be so much

there simply aren't the range of Eglish players playing for top six sides

If needing lots of game time was a major factor into getting into the England team do you think players would be put off joining the big teams if they're not guaranteed games?

Or would the money be more important?


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: TightEnd on November 16, 2015, 03:41:34 PM
Well i don't think lots of game time is that important, if you play for the right club

Lingard?

Delph?

all the game time in the wolrd doesn't help Scott Dann does it?


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: DungBeetle on November 16, 2015, 04:42:26 PM
Nice to see the media recognising Palace for the right reasons, which is more than can be said for Roy Hodgson.

I consider myself to be a fair judge of Palace players (actually couldn't believe that someone said Jason Puncheon should be in the England squad - he is so over-rated it is ridiculous).
However.....Jesse Lingard has 2 decent performance and finds himself elevated to the England squad in front of Zaha.
And Scott Dann has probably been in the top 3 most consistent centre backs in the last 18 months yet still finds himself nowhere near the squad - if he played for Spurs he would be in it!!

agree on Dann

same for Danny Drinkwater, if he played for a big club, would be in

Is there not an argument that if you are indeed good enough you should be playing for a big club?

What's the difference between Chambers at Southampton getting plenty of games, and Chambers at Arsenal in the reserves?  Surely the game time makes him a better bet for England?  I don't see how his transfer of ownership makes him superior.


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: stribling on November 16, 2015, 09:13:11 PM
Nice to see the media recognising Palace for the right reasons, which is more than can be said for Roy Hodgson.

I consider myself to be a fair judge of Palace players (actually couldn't believe that someone said Jason Puncheon should be in the England squad - he is so over-rated it is ridiculous).
However.....Jesse Lingard has 2 decent performance and finds himself elevated to the England squad in front of Zaha.
And Scott Dann has probably been in the top 3 most consistent centre backs in the last 18 months yet still finds himself nowhere near the squad - if he played for Spurs he would be in it!!

agree on Dann

same for Danny Drinkwater, if he played for a big club, would be in

Shawcross ahead of Dann? Ignoring recent injury


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: baldock92 on November 17, 2015, 10:51:40 AM
Nice to see the media recognising Palace for the right reasons, which is more than can be said for Roy Hodgson.

I consider myself to be a fair judge of Palace players (actually couldn't believe that someone said Jason Puncheon should be in the England squad - he is so over-rated it is ridiculous).
However.....Jesse Lingard has 2 decent performance and finds himself elevated to the England squad in front of Zaha.
And Scott Dann has probably been in the top 3 most consistent centre backs in the last 18 months yet still finds himself nowhere near the squad - if he played for Spurs he would be in it!!

agree on Dann

same for Danny Drinkwater, if he played for a big club, would be in

Shawcross ahead of Dann? Ignoring recent injury

Shawcross has been up there for seasons now but is constantly overlooked by Woy Hodgson. Such a big team bias when it comes to squad selection.


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: NoCardDSC on November 17, 2015, 01:21:33 PM
I really think this talk of including Chambers and Lingard in the England set up is pretty absurd, they have both had bang average seasons over the last few albeit there game time not helping there cause.

However talk of players like Drinkwater, Dann, Shawcross I am all for, they have managed to cement there place in squads that are performing well in the PL.


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: pleno1 on November 17, 2015, 03:06:15 PM
they've both been top players in the england junior teams and often these players train regularly with the first team when there's injuries/short numbers. Both are seen to be international class and they want to give them experience, exactly the same as when they took Walcott to the world cup (maybe euros) and he didn't play. Lingard has also always been really impressive on his loan deals right?

Shawcross to me is similar mould to Jags, decent defender, but not top, top class and good enough for world cups.


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: SuperJez on November 17, 2015, 07:11:49 PM
Nice read tikay cheers


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: Archer on November 17, 2015, 07:30:34 PM
they've both been top players in the england junior teams and often these players train regularly with the first team when there's injuries/short numbers. Both are seen to be international class and they want to give them experience, exactly the same as when they took Walcott to the world cup (maybe euros) and he didn't play. Lingard has also always been really impressive on his loan deals right?

Shawcross to me is similar mould to Jags, decent defender, but not top, top class and good enough for world cups.

I understand the logic of wanting to give players experience and also you can take into account the number of injuries England are dealing with. However, comparisons with the likes of Walcott or  Sterling, Rooney etc are not really vaild because they were 17 when they made their debuts. Lingard is not a kid - he is 23 in a couple of weeks. There are about 6 or 7 players younger than him in the squad.


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: dino1980 on November 20, 2015, 12:57:48 AM
If you've got any interest in football analytics then this is a great article looking at the first 12 weeks of the EPL from an analytics POV: http://statsbomb.com/2015/11/twelve-game-premier-league-2015-16-team-stat-review/


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: Archer on November 20, 2015, 09:31:15 AM
If you've got any interest in football analytics then this is a great article looking at the first 12 weeks of the EPL from an analytics POV: http://statsbomb.com/2015/11/twelve-game-premier-league-2015-16-team-stat-review/

Fascinating - great link.

As you infer, I guess not for everyone!

 


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: The Camel on November 20, 2015, 07:00:57 PM
not much arguing with this team of the season so far is there?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT7w8kMXAAAaSIG.jpg:large)

You could have had infity to one picking that team at the start of the season.

Ozil and possibly Smalling are the only ones anyone would have considered.

I'm not a great fan of the Premier League, but this season has been pretty good so far. Mostly thanks to Leicester it must be said.


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: arbboy on November 20, 2015, 07:07:47 PM
no one in stoke is surprised by Butland's place on the team.  Most were expecting it.  Hart's England place on borrowed time imo.  Might be his last finals next summer.  Hope he enjoys it.  He has literally had no competition for his place in the England team for 6 years.


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: anthonyl on November 20, 2015, 07:42:05 PM
they've both been top players in the england junior teams and often these players train regularly with the first team when there's injuries/short numbers. Both are seen to be international class and they want to give them experience, exactly the same as when they took Walcott to the world cup (maybe euros) and he didn't play. Lingard has also always been really impressive on his loan deals right?

Shawcross to me is similar mould to Jags, decent defender, but not top, top class and good enough for world cups.

Lingarrd very average in the worst Brighton side of last six years.

Not quite sure how he is in the England squad. Luckily won't be near it if Walcott or chamberlain are fit.


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: Archer on November 21, 2015, 07:53:51 AM
no one in stoke is surprised by Butland's place on the team.  Most were expecting it.  Hart's England place on borrowed time imo.  Might be his last finals next summer.  Hope he enjoys it.  He has literally had no competition for his place in the England team for 6 years.

You do realise it is just one person's selection for team of the season so far? Loads of teams  have been published in the last month or so. Here is an example from the Mirror where there are about a dozen different teams:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/team-season-far-writers-make-6803358

De Gea, Hart, Cech and Butland all nominated for one team or another.

Agree it is good for England that Butland looks the real deal and will push Hart all the way. I'd still be amazed tho if Hart doesn't go on to get 100+ caps.


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: The Camel on November 21, 2015, 08:24:31 AM
they've both been top players in the england junior teams and often these players train regularly with the first team when there's injuries/short numbers. Both are seen to be international class and they want to give them experience, exactly the same as when they took Walcott to the world cup (maybe euros) and he didn't play. Lingard has also always been really impressive on his loan deals right?

Shawcross to me is similar mould to Jags, decent defender, but not top, top class and good enough for world cups.

Lingarrd very average in the worst Brighton side of last six years.

Not quite sure how he is in the England squad. Luckily won't be near it if Walcott or chamberlain are fit.

Never forget him scoring a consolation goal in the 4-1 defeat at Derby in the play off semi final second leg and going absolutely mental.

I thought that was very strange. He needed reminding it's a team game and your team is going out.


Title: Re: The EPL Season so far.......
Post by: anthonyl on November 21, 2015, 09:51:22 AM
they've both been top players in the england junior teams and often these players train regularly with the first team when there's injuries/short numbers. Both are seen to be international class and they want to give them experience, exactly the same as when they took Walcott to the world cup (maybe euros) and he didn't play. Lingard has also always been really impressive on his loan deals right?

Shawcross to me is similar mould to Jags, decent defender, but not top, top class and good enough for world cups.

Lingarrd very average in the worst Brighton side of last six years.

Not quite sure how he is in the England squad. Luckily won't be near it if Walcott or chamberlain are fit.

Never forget him scoring a consolation goal in the 4-1 defeat at Derby in the play off semi final second leg and going absolutely mental.

I thought that was very strange. He needed reminding it's a team game and your team is going out.

Was lua lua but think he jumped on lua lua back in celebration

Anyway, he's an average champ player. Nathan Redmond should be ahead of him.