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"Even though we voted for it, do you think Britain will actually leave the EU?"

I didn't vote out, but more interesting would be I voted out, but would vote the other way now.  Or for those who love a bit of drama, I voted in, but now want out.

I just can't see it happening.

I can see it getting to a point where it'd be so catastrophic that at some point the government will need to put a stop to it. Quite how that will happen is another matter entirely.

The people have spoken, not carrying out the wishes would have massive repercussions.  Things would have to get a lot worse before they could justify that imo.

FTSE is up today.

Would have probably gone "don't know" at the moment.  Reckon it's about 70:30 in favour of leaving right now, but that has the potential to change on a daily basis, at the moment.

I fear the backlash from the Far Right if we don't do it, as it would effectively give them a platform to campaign on (denial of democracy) and they would potentially rally around Farage as an 'acceptable' face of their politics (in the same way that the Far Left are doing with Corbyn).

The scenario where I see us remaining would come from a General Election result where a coalition of parties (SNP, Lib Dem, Labour/Split Party) campaign on manifestos to keep us in.  None of them individually can win at present, but the next campaign feels like Tories/UKIP/DUP(?) vs Everyone Else.

Alternatively, we hit the button on Article 50, agree to extend time beyond 2 years and ultimately negotiate a way not to leave, although I'm not even sure if this is legally possible at present.

If we don't leave, I honestly think we could see civil unrest and the end of our political system as we know it.

The distaste and distrust that large sections of disaffected parts of our society would have with the political class would be magnified significantly. Particularly large area's in deprived cities in the north of England.

If those sections of society think politicians are saying "fuck you" UK voters, I dread to think how they will react.

I'm almost certain we won't leave.

And I'm equally certain there will be there will be blood on streets as Rick describes when it is realised nationally we aren't leaving.

The thing is Camel, this goes to the heart of how our country runs and our democracy.

Leaving the EU may well be a disaster but surely our democracy and one person one vote - and maintaining its integrity with the public - is 10 times more important to protect.

This is a dangerous development and one which threatens the whole basis of our democracy and stability (how ever flawed it is).

If the vote is not followed through, I fear for our future more than if we leave the EU.

I think I agree with that.

So ridiculous that Cameron offered the referendum in the first place.

It absolutely has to happen.

I exercised my democratic right and voted to leave for the reasons of EQUALITY and DEMOCRACY

EQUALITY - I believe we should assess every application for immigration equally regardless of race. I am uncomfortable that certain races have an advantage because of their geographic location. (One of the biggest ironies is Leave voters are branded racist for wanting equality)

DEMOCRACY - My preference is to elect leaders who pass laws and shape our destiny rather than having unelected leaders imposed upon me.

So really how dare Remain voters presume to tell me that I'm racist and stupid so my democratic vote doesn't stand for anything. It's gonna be a very sorry day if the people are ignored.

Just for clarity again...SCOTLAND DID NOT VOTE TO REMAIN IN THE EU! Cheers.

I think what is worse is Cameron's inability to explain the benefits of being " in" to the populate. It was as if he didn't give a **** about our opinion and we didn't deserve any facts. All he did was issue threats to what might happen if the unthinkable did happen.

I voted out for workers rights and democracy, I have posted about the situation in Portugal more than once this is not too different to that. 

I also believe there will be a significant backlash if we don't leave, but not just from the right I can see anarchists, extreme left taking to the streets. 

There will also be clashes I believe between left and right when it comes to racism/fascism. 

Myself and others who have been involved in anti-fascist campaigns over the year have been, for some time advocating the formation of a bottom up radical left alternative.  This is now needed more urgently than ever before. 

I would have to state 'don't know' at present.

Whatever happens the leave being touted now, is not anywhere like the leave being touted prior to the vote

I don't believe there'll be significant civil unrest given a reversal of Brexit will probably happen after we truly see the effects of the inevitable economic downturn and people will begin to see sense. I kind of imagine the majority of unrelenting leave voters/racists to be something like those on post on the Britain First facebook page, most of them won't have the capacity to organise a piss up in a brewery.

LOL Wit, clearly you have learnt nothing? 

There is no doubt there is a sizeable element in the leave camp motivated by racism, but it's attitudes such as yours that get the back of others up.  Can't you see that this is all short termism and an affront to democracy. 

Yeah i guess this is pretty arrogant of me actually, apologies.

Could you explain this Mantis? I feel like we've seen very different sets of numbers.

Do you oppose the house of lords so vehemently?

Mantis lives in his own little world where Scotland is just a region and not a country. 

Sure thing bruv. The question put to all the people at the ballot box was do they want to see the UK remain in the EU. There was no special mention for Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Barnsley or indeed anybody else. When posed that question more Scottish people voted Leave or did not vote at all than those who voted Remain. We simply cannot take the result of that specific UK question and apply it to another question entirely. That's just manipulating the data. If the actual question at the ballot was do you want Scotland to break from the UK and remain in the EU then whatever the result it's completely fair and correct. Loads of times I've seen pretty similar questions throw up an entirely different set of results. That's why they consider the wording of ballot questions so carefully, a single word can change the perception and thus the result. 

A couple of big problems I have is a) If the question was indeed about exiting the UK and EU remain for Scottish people specifically the campaign would have been different. Various agendas which concern breaking from the UK would have been put on the table and discussed. People would have entered the ballot box considering different things...and perhaps voted a different way...or people who didn't vote would have been compelled to vote because of those things. Certainly if the question had been different the result would have been different. Perhaps more Scottish people would have voted for leave UK and remain in the EU, I don't rightly care, but at least the result would be an accurate reflection of that specific question.

And b) The Scottish people recently voted to remain in the UK so they must now abide by the decision of the UK people. You simply can't be part of a union, with commitments and obligations, and then when things don't go how you would personally like try and make out you aren't part of that union. That's where we get the farce of London...which is part of the UK...wanting to remain instead. You just can't do that. We need Scotland to deliver calm and certainty for the benefit of the union they are part of and Sturgeon is doing the opposite of that. I think it's a piss take.

Yea, not a fan of the Lords either and confirmed live in my own little world.

But during the Scottish referendum the people of Scotland were continuously told by Tory's/Labour/Lib Dems that the only way they could stay in the EU was by staying as part of the UK, this view was backed up by Barrosso who had his own dog in that particular fight considering what is going on with Catalonia and the Basque country. 

The people of Scotland were lied to by the UK government and civil service.  Clearly you can interpret the data and say that Scotland voted to remain. 

Nicola Sturgeon is the First Minister of Scotland she is not a representative of the Union, she done her best to bring about a remain vote now her duty lies in securing the best situation for all of Scotland not the union.  As much as I believe she is wrong with her analysis, I fully respect her position. 

Hey mate I understand and fully accept all that about the Scottish referendum but we can't revisit history now. What it proves tho is how important the campaign is in affecting people's views and how they vote right? So it proves my point. During the EU campaign Scottish exit from the UK was never campaigned for so you can't take the result and twist it to fit that agenda.

We have to leave.....but "EU lite" will replace it: Single market, some payment, some limit on immigration

We had absolute chaos because the police shot a drugdealer. Imagine every nutter in the country had just cause to be pissed off.

More people didn't vote or voted Remain than Leave too though. I understand a lot of your post though and I know what you mean. Certainly when you compare the London/Scottish situation it is fairly strong but I would feel pretty lied to as a Scottish person who voted to stay in the UK because of the EU. (I'm not sure many people would have but it may have been a factor for some.)

There were a lot of shady things about the Marc Duggan case, not that they necessarily caused the riots but its very uncomfortable reading in my opinion.

Michael Heseltine just suggested this

Send Boris Johnson off to Brussels to negotiate our exit terms.

When he comes back with a deal  let parliament vote on it.

If they vote not to support it, take it to a second referendum.

Works for me.

A totally unbiased opinion that doesn't favour a side who lost. Let's challenge Iceland to a pen comp and if we win they have to give us a rematch.

Or we could select a prime minister who will do exactly what our current prime minister said he would do and leave the Eu.

Your posts are becoming like when my mams pissed and won't leave a party and your excuses are just as flaky.

Thought we were done with personal insults on these threads?

I've wasted more than enough time here, so you win, I'm gone from them.

Was strictly meant as a sarcastic comparison to not wanting to leave when we have to. Apologies if you seen it any differently. Don't leave anything other than the EU.

Can Scotland justify another referendum on the basis someone lied during the campaigning?

If so, can another EU referendum be called because of the £350m NHS lie?

I don't do politics by the way, so be gentle with me.

I think so given the severity of the matter.  Leaving the EU is a change in material facts the £350 million spending the same as a curb on migration would be a manifesto pledge.  Pretty sure there are lots of varying opinions both of political anoraks and constitutional law experts.