Title: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: wsopin07 on February 17, 2006, 06:11:55 PM This is a hand from the 10K main event:
8 handed w/ blinds 50/100, 3rd level, Hasan Habib (35K) raises UTG to 400, Rookie (18K) calls from middle position w/ 7d 7s, four players take the flop. Flop is 8c 7c 5h, everyone checks Turn is Ahrt, Hsasn bets 1K into 1,750 pot, Rookie calls, other 2 players fold. River is the Ad, Hasan bets 6K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What do you think he has and what would you do?????? I will post the outcome after we have some input on the hand! Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: Dewi_cool on February 17, 2006, 06:15:50 PM I think High pocket pair and I am all in
Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: Newmanseye on February 17, 2006, 06:20:37 PM Having watched Hasan Habib play a few times, I think he was probably involved in a lot of pots and is playing ultra loose super aggressive, I think he missed, if not then he might have an ace rag in the hole, I would be all in against Habib here.
maybe he had Kh 6s or Aspades 3c Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: Gamblor21 on February 17, 2006, 06:32:21 PM to be honest when the last bet comes i just flat call him!
don't see much value in reraising him on the end, he could easily have caught a runner runner full house. What hand is he going to call your allin with??? These players mix it up but can certainly pass... Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: first mate on February 17, 2006, 06:53:57 PM hasan has pocket aa
Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: first mate on February 17, 2006, 06:56:30 PM brian are you still in on main event if you are hope you win
Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: M3boy on February 17, 2006, 07:05:35 PM Yeah, Im with Ian on this one, just flat call. He could easily have Ace bit and made FH.
Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: marcro on February 17, 2006, 07:06:19 PM I'd call - reasonable chance he has you beat but very hard to lay down the full house. If you lose you still have chips left and can go al lin when the 4s 7h shows up!
Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: edy g on February 17, 2006, 07:15:46 PM 88
Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: wsopin07 on February 17, 2006, 07:32:04 PM Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: elblondie on February 17, 2006, 07:32:19 PM It is a definate flat call on the end, he could easily have A 5, A7, A8.
However, it was a 100% deffo raise on the turn. Why no raise on the turn ? Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: wsopin07 on February 17, 2006, 07:39:46 PM It is a definate flat call on the end, he could easily have A 5, A7, A8. However, it was a 100% deffo raise on the turn. Why no raise on the turn ? Thought I could make more money on the hand, he was playing alot of hands and no one was showing hands down w/ him. Everyone was folding to him when he mde an overbet on the river. I wanted him to bet the river, I had made up my mind that I had the best hand and I thought he would nake a big bet on the river to move me off a hand! There is a straight and flush possible, I put him on a draw or maybe a big A after the turn? Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: Dewi_cool on February 17, 2006, 07:41:26 PM and?
Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: wsopin07 on February 17, 2006, 07:47:08 PM I, in true "rookie" fashion, raised the min to 12k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: Tractor on February 17, 2006, 07:49:05 PM Sounds like he held 88, but i would find this impossible to get away from.
Or like afew others posted a rag a and hit his fh. Im hoping you won it Brian but it seems you owe a £1 to th ebad beat funds ;) Good luck if your still in! Jason Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: wsopin07 on February 17, 2006, 07:51:19 PM Sounds like he held 88, but i would find this impossible to get away from. Or like afew others posted a rag a and hit his fh. Im hoping you won it Brian but it seems you owe a £1 to th ebad beat funds ;) Good luck if your still in! Jason this is not a bad beat story, this is a good poker hand, the background of the way Hasan had played the first few house was very important in my thinking while I played the hand Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: wsopin07 on February 17, 2006, 07:53:03 PM Hasan now moves allin for my last 4k or so! Now what do I do? I know everyone will say pass, but its just not that easy!
I called and he shows????????? Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: Dewi_cool on February 17, 2006, 07:55:03 PM 5s 5c
Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: Newmanseye on February 17, 2006, 08:01:45 PM stop drawing it out, give us the finish, I still think hassan had rags or a raggy ace.
Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: Bongo on February 17, 2006, 08:11:26 PM 7s 4d :D
Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: wsopin07 on February 17, 2006, 08:16:19 PM He shows Ac Aspades, and I knew when he pushed he had me, I called and just could not fold. I know I will play this hand different in the future, I just decided it was time to see what he had. DC asked why I just called on the turn and the answer is I was trapping, but I got trapped myself.
I guess I just need a trip to Europe to play against some "weaker" players to get my next big win 8) Good luck everyone, ROOKIE Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: Royal Flush on February 17, 2006, 08:36:12 PM I think the only mistake you made in this hand was raising the river.
DC suggest raising the turn, why? It's 50-100 we have ample chips, winning 2k more doesnt really change out position, if i have a set i want to win as much as possible out of it, i would aslo flat call. Although i probably would have bet the flop! Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: wsopin07 on February 17, 2006, 08:39:07 PM I think the only mistake you made in this hand was raising the river. DC suggest raising the turn, why? It's 50-100 we have ample chips, winning 2k more doesnt really change out position, if i have a set i want to win as much as possible out of it, i would aslo flat call. Although i probably would have bet the flop! yeap Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: Junior Senior on February 17, 2006, 09:19:26 PM tough one Brian. - me being a rock would have just called on the end.
Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: Royal Flush on February 17, 2006, 09:34:03 PM even a maniac should flat call on the end!
He is either bluffing or has u strangled Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: The Baron on February 22, 2006, 06:40:05 PM I'd flat call on the end yes but I'd have to agree with Dave that I'd raise the turn.
It would probably mean me doing my chips but I'd just not put him on aces after a flop that was checked around. There are also drawing hands he could be playing and two pair could easily pay you off here. Raise the turn IMO. Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: Jinky04 on February 28, 2006, 05:57:41 AM Even if you bet your set on the flop, you're probably going to get called or raised by the aces- even if it's just a feeler raise from him to find out if you have the set. Is there really anyway it could have been played where he's laying those rockets down on the flop? I suspect not.
After the turn it becomes academic. Beyond passively check calling all the way, there's no way you can avoid putting a substantial amount of chips in here. I think a smooth call on the river's still your best move given how the hand panned out- a bet on the turn, for all the info it may have given you, may only have served to end your chips in the pot sooner- are you gonna put him on AA or, the more likely AK, AQ? A smooth call on the river though, at least leaves you with a workable 11k. Wow, me giving any semblance of advice to a WSOP bracelet winner drunk. That's what this forum's all about. Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: wsopin07 on February 28, 2006, 02:00:38 PM Even if you bet your set on the flop, you're probably going to get called or raised by the aces- even if it's just a feeler raise from him to find out if you have the set. Is there really anyway it could have been played where he's laying those rockets down on the flop? I suspect not. After the turn it becomes academic. Beyond passively check calling all the way, there's no way you can avoid putting a substantial amount of chips in here. I think a smooth call on the river's still your best move given how the hand panned out- a bet on the turn, for all the info it may have given you, may only have served to end your chips in the pot sooner- are you gonna put him on AA or, the more likely AK, AQ? A smooth call on the river though, at least leaves you with a workable 11k. Wow, me giving any semblance of advice to a WSOP bracelet winner drunk. That's what this forum's all about. yeap and i appreciate all the input, the real point of this hand in my eyes is that I got caught up in the action, the image of the player involved and the fact that I wanted my set to be good. It was a tough hand and I dont know if I could have played it much different, I am always working on my game and trying to learn 8) ;goodvevil; Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: Sunday8pm on February 28, 2006, 02:37:45 PM raising here is just a bit greedy Brian!!
You know he only calls/raises you if your beat. There are a select few hands he may pay you off with, but not enough to be value raising the river with. He pays you off with 55/AK (maybe) AQ (less likely) Like somebody said its possible he has a 6 and was betting out the straight draw on the turn although id like to think he'd do this on the flop... So if you think that he could be bluffing there is no need to raise, your not extracting any more value out of the pot, you have a made hand so there is no need to raise, If you raise you are opening yourself up to a re raise which will spark a lot of trouble as you know and as you found out. The range of hands that you beat and the range of hands that have you beat do not make it valuable to raise here in my opinion. Good luck in Monte mate Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: wsopin07 on March 01, 2006, 04:50:54 AM raising here is just a bit greedy Brian!! You know he only calls/raises you if your beat. There are a select few hands he may pay you off with, but not enough to be value raising the river with. He pays you off with 55/AK (maybe) AQ (less likely) Like somebody said its possible he has a 6 and was betting out the straight draw on the turn although id like to think he'd do this on the flop... So if you think that he could be bluffing there is no need to raise, your not extracting any more value out of the pot, you have a made hand so there is no need to raise, If you raise you are opening yourself up to a re raise which will spark a lot of trouble as you know and as you found out. The range of hands that you beat and the range of hands that have you beat do not make it valuable to raise here in my opinion. Good luck in Monte mate i dont think so, he could make a bet w/ AK, AQ, and pay me off! I had played very weak to him all day, he was arrogent and I thought I had him, not so easy Mr ben, still love ya 8) Title: Re: ROOKIE / L A poker classic / 10K main event Post by: Royal Flush on March 01, 2006, 06:01:47 PM raising here is just a bit greedy Brian!! You know he only calls/raises you if your beat. There are a select few hands he may pay you off with, but not enough to be value raising the river with. He pays you off with 55/AK (maybe) AQ (less likely) Like somebody said its possible he has a 6 and was betting out the straight draw on the turn although id like to think he'd do this on the flop... So if you think that he could be bluffing there is no need to raise, your not extracting any more value out of the pot, you have a made hand so there is no need to raise, If you raise you are opening yourself up to a re raise which will spark a lot of trouble as you know and as you found out. The range of hands that you beat and the range of hands that have you beat do not make it valuable to raise here in my opinion. Good luck in Monte mate i dont think so, he could make a bet w/ AK, AQ, and pay me off! I had played very weak to him all day, he was arrogent and I thought I had him, not so easy Mr ben, still love ya 8) You have been playing weak, even more reason not to raise on the end as he finds it easier to fold AAA |