Played this today. Opponent in the hand is playing 28/21. I am playing 22/20 this session. Last hand I played with opponent I raised and he folded to a cbet, only about 80 hands on him.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): $37.67
SB: $42.41
BB: $5.10
UTG: $10.70
MP: $10.27
CO: $7.55

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($0.70, 2 players) Ah
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB raises to $1.90, Hero calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.50, 2 players)
SB bets $2.90, Hero calls $2.90

River: ($10.30, 2 players) As
SB bets $7.20, Hero calls $7.20

Should I 3-bet the flop? I thought no at the time as i allow him to get away from various aces.

Default line is to raise and build the pot, you hold a pure value hand and villain has lots of potential calling hands. there may be a more +ev line but would need to be very villain dependent and based on a strong read, for example if villain is super aggro and has a super wide check raise range, why discourage a potential turn barrell.


I don't want to get stacks in at any point during this hand correct? Or not? Is it played too passive? Obviously I am just trying to get it in 100BB deep but the stacks change that.

We are ~400bb's deep so its quite an unusual spot and really tough to get stacks in, but again, it really is dependent on reads as to villains tendencies, against a non thinking fish we should strive to get stacks in because its likely such a player will stack off with worse hands. I dont think that we can against this villain if he is your standard reg. You have position so you control the pot size on each street but this deep it seems unlikely you can get stacks in without 3b'ing the flop. It seems unlikely this villain is the type to call a 2x potsize river bet with hands you beat. I'm rambling a little now but a final point, the potsize on the flop is critical to the eventual potential potsize.


What about the river? Can it be a fold or is the call fine.

Sounds ominous and I suspect your hand wasn’t good but you really can’t fold barring some extraordinary read, I mean he also bets a non full house ace or a str8 in this manner too right.

I'm not sure I would raise pre Skippy. At this level presumably ppl just limp call? We don't wanna just unnecessarily bloat the pot oop 3way with a hand that can be dominated by the kt,kj, kqs they can be limp calling. I'd usually just check.

Flop bet out is standard. Would rarely check here (would need a specific reason to in other words).

I'd definitely check the turn as played. Proceed with caution being the best course of action.

River is a super standard fold imo.

Totally agree with checking pre.

Re betting flop. If you propose to bet flop and check turn, what do you see as the benefts of that line over check flop bet turn?

Its a super dry board so I think checking flop to try and pick up some value on the turn is best, you're never getting 3 streets of value right?. You bet the flop and get two callers, how likely is it that your hand is good here? so, as played, defo checking turn. Seems a strong  case of way ahead or way behind.

Defo fold to river bet, chopping at best.

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A or B?

A

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[I'm not giving a player too much credit until he gives me a reason to.]

I'm just saying he's done nothing for five orbits except call once or twice and talk to the guy next to him about something not poker related. So I don't think he's a grinder by any means, just looks like a recreational player probably running bad on blackjack and decided to try his luck at poker. 50 hands lifetime is no way to get a read, but I agree with Dave in that, at this level, I'm not giving a player too much credit until he gives me a reason to.

I shall reverse my poles and give it a try, thanks.

There's obviously no way we're not betting this flop live. Balance isn't huge in a game like this, but some people are 'observant' enough to accredit my 60% cbet stat with "every time I raise pre I bet the flop," and their counterstrategy for this is to call more often.

Fair point, but begs the question, is it better ( more profitable ) for us when our flop cbets get little respect?

Cannot count the amount of times I will have played a similar spot and been called by any pocket pair, second pair top kicker, a good hand pre that doesn't want to fold any flop texture, etc

are you betting flop & turn, flop & river, 3 streets ?

I think you missed the point about why we should cbet Khigh boards.

Do you mean the "balance" reasons, if so I have'nt missed the point, I agree with you that its not relevent in a .5 / 1 game.

also lets not forget if we bet and he folds QT then that is abso fine. The theory of "we never get called by worse" should not stop us betting in spots where we have very strong equity vs our opponents range as a whole

I look at it like this. We have have no reason to believe villain is an uber value fish and that we can bet 3 streets for value with tpmk, so we can......

A: bet flop / check turn / bet river
or
B: check flop/ bet turn / bet river

If he catches a Q or T on the turn we get value from a hand we would have folded out by betting the flop. Sure we will get outdrawn occasionally but on this super dry board I think letting him catch up will yield some extra value.

also you're giving the villain waayyyyy to much credt assuming he wont have  or even 

You could well be correct, op stated he had no reads which is suprising after 50 hands tbh. My default is to assign tighter ranges till proven otherwise, maybe too tight? or maybe assigning wider and tightening is a better idea?

well its a K high flop, and always great boards to cbet IP with your whole opening range because K high board will generally hit pre-flop raisers more than callers and you rarely get raised, so from a theoretical perspective you actually rep MORE air by betting than chking, as chking the flop usually rep's a hand will marginal strength and showdown value, whereas all your air will bet. So cbetting these board balances us nicely.

Having said that, this is live poker at the 50pence/1pound level and none of the above matters the point we should focus on is that we have a king in our hand and by a stroke of fortune there is one on the flop as well, and no1 ever folds, not even budget under pairs.

Assuming AK, QQ+ are 3b'ing pf ?? ??

Villains range is quite small. Maybe something like......

JJ-22,AQs-ATs,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,AQo-AJo,KQo ?? ??

so ok we can get some value from non setted pp's & KT's but thats a small % of his range and likely equal to or slightly >the amount of hands that crush us  ( 77,55,KQs,KQo )

Anyone check back the flop here? is there really any value in betting?

Interesting stuff but do you think it would be advantageous for a card room to offer a game that favours the skilled player. I play mostly at a small room with a small clientele, as with all poker games, most are net losers.

The fast structured games allow poor players to get lucky and cash the odd time, without that hook they would likely leave the game and without them, there would ultimately be no game!
The ecology of poker games is a very delicate balance, if winners take all the losers cash the losers are lost to the game. There is a threshold beyond which a losing player either goes broke or notices how much they lose and quit.